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[sovietpower91 2]

well anyway since my quotes never work this is QUOTING villarule im guessing because they want to show everyone that they are not ashamed but proud of their sexuality

but im not ashamed of my sexuality and i dont have a parade .


Jmusshorn im very sorry for generalizing all gay people into that i just ment the one that attend/participate in the parades.

EDIT: and my Quotes never work why?

[jmusshorn 7]

Date: 7/16/2005 7:39:10 AM Author: sovietpower91 Jmusshorn im very sorry for generalizing all gay people into that i just ment the one that attend/participate in the parades.

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Ah, no no no, I didn't mean it like that! I didn't say that's what you were doing.

 

No hard feelings.

 

~J

[sovietpower91 2]

alright im down with that lol

[jmusshorn 7]

I have a question

 

Why do African-Americans have the Million Man March?

 

I would guess it's because they're proud of their nationality and they're not afraid to show it.

 

But, I'm Caucasian and I'm proud of my nationality, do I have a parade?

 

(Does this sound familiar?)

[sovietpower91 2]

it does sound familiar but The Million Man March event included efforts to register African Americans to vote in US Elections and increase black involvement in volunteerism and community activism . That is trying to get a better life for them not showing there pride

[jmusshorn 7]

Indeed. Perhaps these parades are misbeguided ways of trying to show community involvement, and the desire to marry who they wish. I just don't know.

 

Oh well. Anyway, onto better things!

 

I just heard from my old boyfriend of years past (my first love, awww), and we've been talking for a while now (about three weeks). I finally got a picture of what he looks like and *beep*, he got sexy... *Wipes sweat from head*

 

Here he is!:

 

 

Haha, I know it's hard to tell... But he's smexeh!

 

If anyone wants to see another piccy of him, I'll put it up. 'Till then, folks!

 

~J

[Zelgadis 638]

Why a Pride parade? Because it's necessary. Heterosexuals don't need that. They are already accepted. Some heterosexuals would like us to go away and the yearly Pride parades all over the world show that we are not.

Besides, let us not forget the ultimate heterosexual pride parade: the big, fancy wedding.

Almost every minority community needs something like that to encourage activism in their own communities and show everyone else that yes we are different but also normal.

I have found a clarifying point in Simone de Beauvoir's Ethics of Ambiguity. In that book, she states that while we are all free to practice our freedom, we are not free to deny freedom to others (like kicking the **** out of people). Jemi's being who he is (as flaming as he wants to be) is his own expression of his freedom and it does nothing to impinge on the freedom of others. Jemi's attackers impinged on his freedom, which is wrong.

ISF

[GingerBlokey 30]

zegadalis Do ur students know about ur sexuality. What age group do you teach?

[Zelgadis 638]

I teach college-level students, mostly. However, there are adult student in the class too. Most of them know. And it hasn't really caused any problems.

It is my intention to live as normal a life as possible, so I often talk about my boyfriend as casually as another man might talk about his girlfriend. It's a very disarming tactic and it works quite well for me.

ISF

*Post number 1000 x 25%!

[SpartanBadger 4]

Soviet I understand your way of thinking about the pride parades/festivals. And like you said you're straight and you don't have a parade.

The answer to that is very simple. We as heterosexuals are the norm. We don't need to have a pride parade like zelgadis said, because we're already accepted. We really don't have a reason to have a parade, it's just expected to be straight.

[Mickebear 2]

I think Soviet brought up a good question, with good answers from several people. Gay (I should rather say LGBT = Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) parades can have actually different flavours, from political militant to party-like dance cavalquades. Most of the times the parades succeed to combine the 1: political message to outside world; 2: political message to own community 3: serve social purpose of uniting LGBT people; 4: serve social purpose to be able mix both straight and gay; 5: just have a lot of fun; 6: make new friends; 7: visit a new city/country (in fact, there is a lot of tourism around Gay Pride parades, for instance Mardi Gras in Sydney Australia brings in millions and millions of AUD to the city, not something to be forgotten; same of course repeats in any major city around the globe)

Of course there are countless of reasons why people take part on parades, or why not. I, for one, am not very crazy about going to a parade, not because I am not out (I am out and proud), but because I feel suffocated in a big mass of peopl; I prefer to join the evening activities in a gay cafe and chat with my friends, or go to see an art exhibition during the Pride week wherever I happen to be. But I understand very well why one would want to participate in a parade - the feeling of happiness is overwhelming. I have never experienced anything like that before,it is like being in euphora. And as goes with euphoras, when the pride parade is over and finished, you feel empty and a bit sad.

[MissTonya 2]

jmusshorn your boyfriend is so cute but your even cutier!!!

Yo it's tonya!

[The Terminator 0]

The<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office />

Simtropolis

CLOSET

 Shhhhh!!!!

 

 

 

l made you guys a logo,like it?

 

me, i am straight, but girls dont like me so i have sworn off love forever, i am editing this because i am not bisexual, i just am not one who is ment for love.

[masher 3]

Hehe nice logo TT........oh just wait a few years...girls will get to like you...
Anyway....Me and my boyfriend are like totally against gay clubs(as in groups of people, not bars) or parades...because we feel that it's not necessary... just like those other minority groups(hispanic,black,asian,etc).... It's like if you want to be alienated from the rest instead of just blending in(not adapting)...

[Dereko 0]

You is wrong Keeevan! Those parades are done by activists and if they didn't advocate gay rights, who would? So I went out this year to Pride in San Francisco to show my appreciation for the work they do to make things better. It is not just a parade, there are booths, etc. where you can get information (or free condoms) and it is just a cool way to spend the day once a year. I was surprised by the number of non-gay people who came out to it, there were heterosexual couples and their kids along the parade route, it is just a fun parade. Besides a colorful gay pride parade is much more fun than holding a book burning outside an abortion clinic in Alabama anyday.

[masher 3]

But some of those stright people go just for the shows people that wear make up (like a certain EMO member we know)give....

[thatmonkeysim 8]

quit being evil kevan... he cant help it

[Alkaola 18]

interessting thread , i'm not gay  but i can look at guys... sometimes i see guys then i think ' they re fine or cool'  but i can't fall in love with them , man girls are so much cuter

i have no problems with gays but no addopting kids

[Zelgadis 638]

Date: 7/17/2005 6:17:38 PM
Author: Alkaola

interessting thread , i'm not gay but i can look at guys... sometimes i see guys then i think ' they re fine or cool' but i can't fall in love with them , man girls are so much cuter

i have no problems with gays but no addopting kids

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No problem. We can still acquire children the old-fashioned way.

In the end, it makes no difference.

ISF

[jmusshorn 7]

Date: 7/17/2005 6:17:38 PM Author: Alkaola

i have no problems with gays but no addopting kids

 

Umm, why not?

 

Y'know, maybe it's best if I didn't discuss this. Nevermind.

 

When it comes to stereotypes like What would the parents do to him/her behind closed doors Or Well, the child will probably end up gay, I really can't be bothered to discuss it.

 

Although in studies it has been proven that in a prominently homosexual home, there are not a disproportionately amount of gay offspring, nor abnormal amount of sexual molestations; people still have their usual doubts. Oh well.

 

I'm in no way saying that these are your reasons for the opposition. I'm simply bringing up the reasons why the most, who are indeed to opposed to gay adoption, oppose it.

 

Oh well, all people are allowed to have their reservations. 

[Alkaola 18]

Date: 7/17/2005 8:10:12 PM Author: jmusshorn

Date: 7/17/2005 6:17:38 PM Author: Alkaola

i have no problems with gays but no addopting kids

Umm, why not?

Y'know, maybe it's best if I didn't discuss this. Nevermind.

When it comes to stereotypes like 'What would the parents do to him/her behind closed doors' Or 'Well, the child will probably end up gay', I really can't be bothered to discuss it.

Although in studies it has been proven that in a prominently homosexual home, there are not a disproportionately amount of gay offspring, nor abnormal amount of sexual molestations; people still have their usual doubts. Oh well.

I'm in no way saying that these are your reasons for the opposition. I'm simply bringing up the reasons why the most, who are indeed to opposed to gay adoption, oppose it.

Oh well, all people are allowed to have their reservations.

 

i think we must minimalizing the chance of social problems with kids in every way , and there is a chance that kids will get social problems if they have 2 dads  , you know how hard kids are for each other , it may affect them in furhter live         if you know what i mean

 

thats a reason  but another reasion has to do with relegion so no discuss

 

but again , people who are gay are many times more creative and much kinder so i have no problems to spend time with them

[Zelgadis 638]

Believe me when I say that the social problems that stem from just being gay are 10 times worse than having gay parents. This is experience talking here.

However, none of the problems I experienced had anything to do with me being gay. It was the people who couldn't accept it that caused the problem.

(Yes, I said before that I didn't realize until I was 24, but I found out later that it had been quite clear to everyone else since I was in middle school.)

Most people with gay parents I've known are reasonably well-adjusted individuals who had few problems with bullies. I, on the other hand, in the same school system, was abused by my friends, and school administration alike.

ISF

[mentarman 14]

^^^ No kidding. I can think of a lot of different kinds of people I would ban from having kids before gay people. But procreating is a basic right that society is rightfully very hesitent to curtail. Start talking about who should be able to have/raise kids and it becomes a very dangerous slippery slope. You could then start saying any minority group that might be oppressed in some way should just not have/raise/adopt kids, just to spare the kids. I know that's not what's being said, but to me the thoughts are very connected. One idea seems to lead to another very quickly.

 

I don't know how old the person posting the comment was, but as you get older I think you realize how many people with perfect home lives, mom and dad and 2.3 kids or whatever, the perfect average family, end up being really messed up because things are never as perfect as they seem.

 

Besides, the only problems children of gay parents would have more than any other kid is from other people not being able to deal with it, and why should the parents be prevented from raising a kid just because other people can't deal with it?

 

The answer is not to stop loving families from having/raising/adopting/whatever kids because they are gay, but to create a society in which that is not something that makes people think of you any differently.

 

Plus, gay parents (not necessarily in pairs of gay parents) have been having and raising kids for thousands, no, millions of years. I know several people who got married and had kids and then, later, stopped pretending and came out of the closet. Their kids are no more messed up than other children of divorces, and the children would have been better off raised by two loving gay parents than a straight parent and a gay parent that didn't love each other completely because, hello, one of them was gay.

[subedei 3]

Sorry but Gay parents do not need to raise kids. Raising kids is strictly a hetro thing.  on another subject I was very pleased about the Boy Scout's decision to Ban Gay scout leaders. If people want to be gay thats fine but you cant have everything straight people do.

 

 

 

Subedei

[mentarman 14]

^^^ Um, why? You don't just get to make the rules for the world. Tell us why you believe that and we can have a discussion. Otherwise why are you bothering to post here?

[Zelgadis 638]

Whoa!

I'll start a flame war if I get involved in this one.

*sounds air raid siren and puts on helmet*

Incoming!

ISF

[jmusshorn 7]

Ah, well in that case, here's a question.

 

If heterosexuals are going to ban homosexuals from certain liberties that heterosexuals themselves indeed enjoy, why would the homosexuals continue to be gay? I mean, if I were a member of the boy scouts, and I liked it and I were gay at the time that they banned gay people, wouldn't I just turn straight? Personally, I would. I mean, why would I want to be discriminated against just because of who I am, right? Sounds slightly like fascism to me. Thank goodness this isn't the same thing, right?

 

Another question.

 

If we are indeed born homosexual or bisexual (as scientific studies indicate and strongly suggest), then why again would we be treated adversely purely based on who we are? Many may argue that this is dissimmilar to the struggle that the African-Americans in the USA had to experience 50, 100, even 150 years ago.

 

People have nearly always greeted human-diversity and culturally-based change with resistance, hostility, and negativity. Apparently some things indeed never change.

 

~J

[subedei 3]

Date: 7/17/2005 10:46:26 PM Author: mentarman ^^^ Um, why? You don't just get to make the rules for the world. Tell us why you believe that and we can have a discussion. Otherwise why are you bothering to post here?

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 That is something society decided. As far as posting goes If you all can post pro-gay things and why you think being gay is right then I can counter with why I think its wrong

 

 

 

Subedei

[jmusshorn 7]

Date: 7/17/2005 10:49:38 PM Author: subedei

Date: 7/17/2005 10:46:26 PM Author: mentarman ^^^ Um, why? You don't just get to make the rules for the world. Tell us why you believe that and we can have a discussion. Otherwise why are you bothering to post here?

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That is something society decided. As far as posting goes If you all can post pro-gay things and why you think being gay is right then I can counter with why I think its wrong

Subedei

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I believe you missed mentarman's point, Subedei.

 

When you say this is something society decided, what are you really saying? That you personally don't have a reason to dislike gay people, or the idea of homosexuality in general?

 

Indeed, what I believe he means is that before you can discuss your opinion in a debate-like fashion, you should probably state your reasons for harbouring such an opinion, whether they be religious, political or otherwise.

 

I thank myself for clearing that up a bit.

[subedei 3]

Date: 7/17/2005 10:54:02 PM Author: jmusshorn

Date: 7/17/2005 10:49:38 PM Author: subedei

Date: 7/17/2005 10:46:26 PM Author: mentarman ^^^ Um, why? You don't just get to make the rules for the world. Tell us why you believe that and we can have a discussion. Otherwise why are you bothering to post here?

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That is something society decided. As far as posting goes If you all can post pro-gay things and why you think being gay is right then I can counter with why I think its wrong

Subedei

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I believe you missed mentarman's point, Subedei.

When you say 'this is something society decided', what are you really saying? That you personally don't have a reason to dislike gay people, or the idea of homosexuality in general?

Indeed, what I believe he means is that before you can discuss your opinion in a debate-like fashion, you should probably state your reasons for harbouring such an opinion, whether they be religious, political or otherwise.

I thank myself for clearing that up a bit.

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 Well first of all its just plain gross if you really think about it. Second is that Gays will never be accepted by main stream society. I have no problem with people in general but keep your sexuality in the bedroom and not for everyone to hear.

 As far as Raising kids I personally think its cruel to have kids growing up knowing that they have 2 dads or 2 moms. As far as Boy Scouts I personally would not want a Gay scout leader around my kids.

 

 

 

Subedei