The seventh anniversary of 9/11

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: nthooze  I read through this thread am franky shocked that there is not one single mention of the 9/11 truth movement.

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That´s because the `truth movement´ is nothing more than a highly distateful collection of conspiracy worshipping cretins who display either a serious lack of critical thinking skills, a massive disrespect of the lives lost or both.

[Duke87 1,070]

Am I the only one that thinks all of this "more people died in X event" stuff is silly?

Tragedies are not measured just by how many people died. How they died and the effects of the event are important, too.

Sure, millions died in the holocaust. Well, we haven't forgotten that, now have we? But that's a different animal since it happened gradually over several years behind closed doors, not dramatically all at once with the world watching it happen on TV.

And the holocaust problem was solved when the Nazis were defeated. The terrorism problem is still out there and will not be so easily beaten.

9/11 changed the world more than the holocaust did, even if nowhere near as many people died. Pearl harbor is more on par with it (and fewer people died at Pearl Harbor than in 9/11). In fact, the two are often compared.

Although September 11, 2001 will probably live in more infamy than December 7, 1941 if for no other reason than that the name of the event is the date, so it's not exactly easy to forget it. Most people my age couldn't tell you what date Pearl Harbor happened. But if the event was called "12/7", I bet they could.

[Barbarossa 51]

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[Patricius Maximus 236]

New Pentagon memorial unveiled

I'll give them credit that they thought of something different, but at the same time, "memorial benches" is a bit unique.quote>

Yes, I saw it. The memorial is unique. I guess the architects get credit for that -- still, I don't think they should have had a quasi-funeral there. It was too much for me.

I also saw Obama and McCain at Ground Zero. The people there were friendly to them, and I don't know when they created that bridge and all those flags on it.

I hope that the big pit is filled in soon and something done with it -- not to bury the past or disrespect the dead -- but as a symbol that the world can move on from traumatic experiences and let the past be the past.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

New Pentagon memorial unveiled

I'll give them credit that they thought of something different, but at the same time, "memorial benches" is a bit unique.quote>

I like the design of it, and it is very unique. I guess the credit goes to the architect. But they could have done without the quasi-funeral ceremony, and the reading of all the names.

Just so you know, by saying "God Bless America," you're in effect saying "God Bless American Principles" too.  Since you're expressing love and support for the country, you're kind of also expressing love and support for what the country is supposed to stand for.quote>

Well, not exactly. In my view, saying 'God Bless America' is you supporting the entity itself, with its current principles, and policies. If America turned into an Orwellian totalitarian state, would you say "God Bless America", or "God Bless American Principles". By saying the latter, you are supporting the principles the entity was founded on, not the entity itself.

Anyway, how can you even be sure that a God will bless America?

We should never forget 9/11!! The loss to freedom may never be restored.quote>

Agreed. If nothing else, we should not forget it for that reason. I am confident that freedom will be restored there, it's just the timeframe that is uncertain.

America lost her 'innocence' and allowed herself to become something of a monster, engaging in wars of aggression and allowing her civil liberties and privacy to be stripped all in the name of defending that very freedom. It's a tragedy beyond comprehension.quote>

I'm shocked by that as well. To me it is the height of hypocrisy to say, in effect, "To defend your freedom we need to destroy your freedom". That may go beyond hypocrisy and lying, and into the realm of something else.

I read through this thread am franky shocked that there is not one single mention of the 9/11 truth movement.quote>

There was a thread created about that some time ago. I saw on the news that a report was uncovered that outlined the whole thing -- Arabs coming here to hijack planes, a plot to destroy landmarks, et cetera. That came a month before 9/11, and the US did nothing.

It is my opinion that Bush was not responsible for 9/11. But he did use it for his own agenda when it happened. He used it as an excuse to launch an occupation of 2 countries, one of which did not attack the US or had any intention to do so. I'm not a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but I consider myself a liberal. So, if you call me a crazy liberal, then I say 'Thank you'.

About the parallels to World War II, I say this. It was not a holocaust proportion event. 3000 people were killed on 9/11 because of right-wing fanatics that hated people. In World War II, 6 million were killed because of right-wing fanatics that hated another group of people.

I also see a parallel between the hijackers and the kamikaze pilots.

Both flew planes into targets and killed themselves, although the 9/11 planes were far bigger, and the hijackers killed hundreds more with them.

If a person wants to kill himself in a plane, that is his own affair -- but the hijackers killed hundreds when they hit their target, and that is my problem with it.

Lastly, I've read some posts in this thread, and they are depressing. I ask that this be a remembrance thread, not a funeral thread.

- Patricius Maximus

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

Lastly, I've read some posts in this thread, and they are depressing. I ask that this be a remembrance thread, not a funeral thread.

- Patricius Maximusquote>

 

Loss is loss.  As diverse and sometimes impersonal as the Internet can be, I'm glad that SimTropolis is considered community enough for members to feel comfortable to share their thoughts and feelings, even including grief, dismay, and shock about such subjects as well as joy, pride, and elation when that is felt too.

[fukuda 351]

Now, as for those who are taking offense at detractors of the memorial. I think that the detractors are being misunderstood. Anyone in their right mind has remorse for the senseless loss of life that happened on 9/11. However, the point being made is that the incident is being inflated to eclipse all acts of senseless death imposed by terrorists, rebels, and governments throughout the world. I am disturbed when people post comments saying 9/11 was special. Death is death, murder is murder.quote>

Agreed

[RJ11 0]

The people in here from other countries, I can respect how you don't think America pays attention to other countries, but you have NO idea what we do for other countries. Seeing PCGUY14 say that his father died on 9/11 made my heart sink. If you want to start a 9/11 was a conspiracy thread or an I HATE BUSH thread, go right ahead and spew some ignorance. I'm not sure about Canadian speech laws, but I'm pretty sure you can say just about anything you want on this forum. Any of you who bring up politics in a 9/11 thread really need to look at how bad that would be. That's like me bringing up "good things hitler did" in a holocaust remembrance thread, I don't think hitler did good things, but in other words, thats what it is like. LOL AT AMERICANS BEING SELF CENTERED, you need to get your head outta your butt man. I'm off now.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

The people in here from other countries, I can respect how you don't think America pays attention to other countries, but you have NO idea what we do for other countries.quote>

I do know that Americans, even in the last decade, have done much to help other countries. They helped in the 2004 tsunami, for instance, and I'm sure they helped a bit in the recent earthquake in China.

Seeing PCGUY14 say that his father died on 9/11 made my heart sink. If you want to start a 9/11 was a conspiracy thread or an I HATE BUSH thread, go right ahead and spew some ignorance.quote>

Well, I don't see what 9/11 conspiracy theories had to do with a particular death. If the government did do it, would it not be even more heartbreaking? The conspiracy people are not trying to disrespect the dead.

I'm not sure about Canadian speech laws, but I'm pretty sure you can say just about anything you want on this forum. Any of you who bring up politics in a 9/11 thread really need to look at how bad that would be.quote>

I'm not bringing up politics -- the political references so far, like Haljackey's, are purely "what-if" scenarios and are worthy of consideration. However, people bringing up politics and starting an argument are contrary to this thread's purpose.

That's like me bringing up "good things hitler did" in a holocaust remembrance thread, I don't think hitler did good things, but in other words, thats what it is like.quote>

That would be off-purpose, but I would like to point out that even a man like Hitler did do one or two good things. World War II was responsible for an accelerated recovery from the Great Depression, and the Nazis did send up the first object to reach space, the V-2 rockets, and those rockets accelerated the space programs in the 50's.

Those are the 2 good things Hitler did. However, his other atrocities far outweigh these points.

LOL AT AMERICANS BEING SELF CENTERED, you need to get your head outta your butt man.quote>

Well, Americans are no more self-centered than any other group. But, in response to the 'self-centered Americans' argument, this is a thread about 9/11, an American event, so naturally it would center on Americans.

- Patricius Maximus

[belfastuniguy 18]

To you idiots bringing politics in it: stay the hell out, if you think this is a bad thread, I'll wait for 3,000 of your people in your country to be killed at almost the same time.quote>

Actually people from 95 nations and territories were killed in the attacks, they were not all American and while it took place in America you do not hold the monopoly on grief and remembrance, many countries around the world and affected families mourned yesterday.

This is why I think Europe and the United States has absolutely no business doing anything together. Europeans and Americans both seem to have a very strange self-pitying and competitive mixture. If an American wishes to mourn for 9/11 a European has to outdo them and bring up the damn Holocaust. The United States 1,076,245 casualties fighting in WWII, another European war, which up until recent has had a major war on average of every 15-20 years. We lost another 320,518 in the first World War. Both times we wished to stay out of the wars and let Europe beat itself up like it had for centuries before hand but we were dragged in, twice, just to lose lives saving European ass. I'm sick of both side trying to be the victim. It is possible, believe it or not, for both sides to be respected and given their time to mourn and remember their dead. quote>

To be honest I'm not even going to dignify that reply with an educated and much more informed reply. I think some of what you said is incredibly vulgar and you should be rather ashamed of yourself.

[RJ11 0]

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

The people in here from other countries, I can respect how you don't think America pays attention to other countries, but you have NO idea what we do for other countries.quote>

I do know that Americans, even in the last decade, have done much to help other countries. They helped in the 2004 tsunami, for instance, and I'm sure they helped a bit in the recent earthquake in China.

Seeing PCGUY14 say that his father died on 9/11 made my heart sink. If you want to start a 9/11 was a conspiracy thread or an I HATE BUSH thread, go right ahead and spew some ignorance.quote>

Well, I don't see what 9/11 conspiracy theories had to do with a particular death. If the government did do it, would it not be even more heartbreaking? The conspiracy people are not trying to disrespect the dead.

I'm not sure about Canadian speech laws, but I'm pretty sure you can say just about anything you want on this forum. Any of you who bring up politics in a 9/11 thread really need to look at how bad that would be.quote>

I'm not bringing up politics -- the political references so far, like Haljackey's, are purely "what-if" scenarios and are worthy of consideration. However, people bringing up politics and starting an argument are contrary to this thread's purpose.

That's like me bringing up "good things hitler did" in a holocaust remembrance thread, I don't think hitler did good things, but in other words, thats what it is like.quote>

That would be off-purpose, but I would like to point out that even a man like Hitler did do one or two good things. World War II was responsible for an accelerated recovery from the Great Depression, and the Nazis did send up the first object to reach space, the V-2 rockets, and those rockets accelerated the space programs in the 50's.

Those are the 2 good things Hitler did. However, his other atrocities far outweigh these points.

LOL AT AMERICANS BEING SELF CENTERED, you need to get your head outta your butt man.quote>

Well, Americans are no more self-centered than any other group. But, in response to the 'self-centered Americans' argument, this is a thread about 9/11, an American event, so naturally it would center on Americans.

- Patricius Maximusquote>

Thank you Patricius.

Actually people from 95 nations and territories were killed in the attacks, they were not all American and while it took place in America you do not hold the monopoly on grief and remembrance, many countries around the world and affected families mourned yesterday.quote>

To be honest, I don't mean it in the way we hold a monopoly. It might've but well, I didn't. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Deionn 137]

Originally posted by: Chicago|Chris This is why I think Europe and the United States has absolutely no business doing anything together. Europeans and Americans both seem to have a very strange self-pitying and competitive mixture. If an American wishes to mourn for 9/11 a European has to outdo them and bring up the damn Holocaust. The United States 1,076,245 casualties fighting in WWII, another European war, which up until recent has had a major war on average of every 15-20 years. We lost another 320,518 in the first World War. Both times we wished to stay out of the wars and let Europe beat itself up like it had for centuries before hand but we were dragged in, twice, just to lose lives saving European ass. I'm sick of both side trying to be the victim. It is possible, believe it or not, for both sides to be respected and given their time to mourn and remember their dead.

We need to respect everyones dead. Each of them had ideas, loves, families and friends.

God Bless the United States of America.

O my Jesus forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy. Amenquote>

Absolutely right. This kind of behavior lead to the originally creation of this thread. Why can't we all squash our differences and be one world instead of First, Second, and Third world countries. Why can't we all link up together. Why hasn't war dissapeared? This is not the time for violence, hatred, and trying to burn out America or any other country in the world. This event changed our world today, no matter if you we're in New York, London, Moscow, Toronto, Paris, Sydney, Toyko, or Beijing. We need to recognize the fact that we're all humans. Not white humans. Not black humans, not yellow humans, and not pink humans. Some people have the audacity to compare recent events to a event of Holocaustic measures. This was wrong, our history is wrong, there is always a dark side to the light side. Just remember this... Doesn't the light make dark shadows from our figures? You may think: I am all light and have no dark side. Well think again. Maybe you should check behind you.

[Vandy 110]

Hello, my friends.

I've read each 9/11 memorial thread as it was created and filled with posts and this year's thread has been no different.  I've even posted myself.  I wanted to make one more post in this year's 9/11 memorial thread -- not to "make my mark" but to share with you an opinion -- yes, my own -- but an opinion nonetheless.

As you know, it has been seven years since the terrible events of that day.  Seven years of hate, anger, anguish, pain, sadness, loss, etc.  Many peoples lives were changed that day forever.  Many people will continue to suffer from that day's events -- either physically or emotionally.

I don't believe that the tragedy of 9/11 diminishes or otherwise takes away from other horrific acts of terrorism that has occurred throughout our history, however; it is still very fresh in the minds of people and, as such, tends to become a "magnet" attacting the masses.

I, as a member of Mother Earth's children, feel the pain of loss, the disorienting confusion of the events, the dissalusionment towards people.  I, as an American, feel the same pains, confusion and dissalusionment but must add an anger -- no, an outrage at what was perpetrated upon us as a people.

In summary, the events that took place on September 11, 2001 were truly a world event.  However, it was just as truly an American experience.

Regards,

Gary (Vandy)

[nthooze 13]

Originally posted by: JanYpe

Originally posted by: nthooze  I read through this thread am franky shocked that there is not one single mention of the 9/11 truth movement.

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That´s because the `truth movement´ is nothing more than a highly distateful collection of conspiracy worshipping cretins who display either a serious lack of critical thinking skills, a massive disrespect of the lives lost or both.quote>

With all due respect, I can't help but find the irony and dare I say hypocrisy  of your  comments.   With terms like distasteful, lack of critical thinking and disrespect for the dead coupled with your understanding of importance of knowledge over ignorance I can't help but shake my head and encourage you to take a look in the mirror.

Additionally I have never met a person that has put the time in to do the research be truly knowledgeable on the subject that makes statements like yours.

[RJ11 0]

Originally posted by: nthooze

Originally posted by: JanYpe

Originally posted by: nthooze  I read through this thread am franky shocked that there is not one single mention of the 9/11 truth movement.

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That´s because the `truth movement´ is nothing more than a highly distateful collection of conspiracy worshipping cretins who display either a serious lack of critical thinking skills, a massive disrespect of the lives lost or both.quote>

With all due respect, I can't help but find the irony and dare I say hypocrisy  of your  comments.   With terms like distasteful, lack of critical thinking and disrespect for the dead coupled with your understanding of importance of knowledge over ignorance I can't help but shake my head and encourage you to take a look in the mirror.

Additionally I have never met a person that has put the time in to do the research be truly knowledgeable on the subject that makes statements like yours.quote>

If ya want someone who's done plenty of research, hit me up with a PM, I'm bored..

Don't de-rail the thread guys, keep it going POSITIVE.