Virgin Shores

[Snoopy235 0]

I would take a small mansion on the island and maybe a real estate office. By the way Great City Journal.

[TimeMaster 4]

I would like to propose an ordinance for the health of our citizens.

Ordinance: A fast food restaurant may only build one restaurant for each city tile. No exceptions

I would like to submit this to the planning committee.

[supercity124 8]

 For the Virgin Shores Department of Transportation,

       Next to the library, there will be a stretch of road will be proposed,

I will show you the road improvements in Downtown Virgin Shores,



I will submit this to the VSDOT ( Virgin Shores Department of Transportation).

[TimeMaster 4]

Supercity: I very weakly disagree. Why should we do that? What is the point? Also it ruins the library's scenary.

[Ntq€310 1]

time master i must ask, is that a limit on total resturants, or types of resturant. i can not support total, and for type i find it better to be 2 max.

[TimeMaster 4]

NTQ: Fast Food Restaurants may open only one restaurant in Virgin Shores, and one in Oilville. E.G one KFC, one McDonalds, one A&W, one Arby's. But other restaurants, like Blue Nile or Olive Garden, since they aren't fast food the ordinance does not apply to them.

[Ntq€310 1]

Olny one!? so olny 1 mcdonalds and olny 1 kfc in all of the tile? Sure it cant be two? i mean i understand health concerns but the econemy is booming very nicly, and what is wrong with having a few resturants in all of the area?

[TimeMaster 4]

um... what's so bad about it?

[Ntq€310 1]

well i can understand , i just think one is a little far with going with it, 2 or 3 seem to be a much better number for sucha tile.

[TimeMaster 4]

Well, I think that one is good for NOW, it could change to two when we have more people.

[Ntq€310 1]

hmmm the thing is is this really that much of a problem? i mean we dont have that many to begin with, 1 mcdonalds in proposal, with a kfc waiting i think, with actual resturants being a olive garden and a outback steakhouse, remind me if there's more.

[TimeMaster 4]

E.G. KFC and McDonalds will not make another one until we have some more people. However, the may open one in Oilville, but wont get many customers as of now. Moreover, The healthier restaurants (like the steakhouse and Olive Garden) may make as many as they want, as the ordinance does not apply to them.

[Ntq€310 1]

but even the healty resturants areant that healty, places like outback and chilis are actually preety unhealty. I find this proposal to honestly be very useless, if the kfc wants to add a 2nd location in virgin shores why stop them, the people make the choice, and these resturants provide good paying jobs. i say we put this issue to a councle vote.

[TimeMaster 4]

A citizen vote. At least they dont have any TRANS FAT in them. chili actually is pretty healthy, just so you know. Poor paying jobs, they actually do not pay very much because they are easy to do.

[TimeMaster 4]

And like A&W, Burger King they can develop, but they can only develop once until we have more people.

[Ntq€310 1]

chilis has some very unhealty items to eat O_o, and there still jobs for some of the $ sims, they sill payy, and life expatancy isnt being threated.

[TimeMaster 4]

kind of... I just want to limit it so it will not become a problem.

[Chappington 131]

Considering that a large city tile is about 4 km x 4 km (I think), 1 McDonalds means you're 2 miles away from a McDs at most. At 30 miles per hour, that's less than 5 minutes. I don't think we need more than 1 McDonalds, and it's unlikely that McDonalds would want another restaurant themselves. Especially in a small town like this.

[GreekMan 246]

looks very nice

It's growing with all the help

[Follarch 327]

Whoa, I missed an update, that never happens! Heh, maybe cause I went to seattle the twice this weekend and my grandparents house, busy, busy time for me. But I'm back and HELLO! Looks like Virgin Shores is just now taken off. A highway it looks. I tried out the RHW and I failed, I couldnt get anyone to use it, and it confused the heck out of me so I removed it. I want to give it another try though, with Lomni Island. Anyone that has tips or instructions on building a rural highway, please let me now.

And I'm liking the library! It actually made me think of a church at first glance, very nice choice!

Archean~

NFR Prime Minister

[Ntq€310 1]

ohhh i found these great bats for recreation or even high school football : https://www.simtropolis.com/stex/index.cfm?id=20233

Also i dont know the scale of simcity 4 to real life, and it differs alot considering much is out of scale, but for a large city tile 1 mcdonalds is not very good coverage for the area. many small cities even have multiple mccdonalds very close to eachother, or across town from each other. I just find this issue honestly to not be a issue, i mean these resturants are bringing econmic sucsess to the area, and considering this is a cj, and the year of this cj i believe in around 2026 i would tihnk foods may be a little healthier espically after the green movement took hold.

[Chappington 131]

If you get the right civic buildings and NAM plugins, the scale is pretty good. The view of a large city tile makes it seem bigger than it really is. Just imagine seeing two McDonalds restaurants within 5 minutes of a drive through town. Odd, right? Especially when the town only has 10,000 people (I think).

For a real world example of two identical restaurant-type places, there's the town near where I live. Most of the business of it is along US Route 7, which goes from north to south straight through the town. There's a Dunkin Donuts towards the North of the town, and there's a new one under construction nearer the south. It takes about 5-10 minutes at 45-50 mph to get from the north one to the south one. I think the town has about 25,000 people, though it may be more. The main reason for the new one is because this town is pretty spread out, and it helps that it's going to be right next to the high school.

In Virgin Shores, it doesn't quite make sense. The majority of the town seems to fit in about 1.5 miles x 1.5 miles, and the fast food places are pretty much centered. Also, Virgin Shores is small, and already has quite a few eating options. Of course, this is up to the City Planner to decide, but I'm just giving my opinion.

[Ntq€310 1]

actually it isnt that odd, there is this small town where i live where they have 3 mcdonalds all within 5 minutes of eachother, it's somewhat more surbuban town but still.

But if someone wants to put another mcdonalds on the other side of town what is really wrong with that O_o the main thing is that the health risk areant that great, spically in a virgin shores type society, which being 20 years in the future, is much healthier, besides i doubt someone is going to put to mccdonalds right next to the old one.

[TimeMaster 4]

There is nothing wrong put we do not need it, it is encouraging Virginates to eat way healthier than fast food at least once a week.

[Ntq€310 1]

will banning the already limited development of fastfood, which olny recently has shown any realy intrest in birgin shores do anything for life expectancy? no.

[JJC12321 0]

if i'm right a mcdonalds puts out a lot trash out, and the desirbility goes down around it

and i don't think they should be banned, but their should not be 5 of them in the city

[deathtopumpkins 43]

supercity124: We'll wait for the Planning Committee, but that's not how you make a link to something on the STEX. You copy the URL from that little box above the description in the download window, not the URL in the address bar, so I can't see the BAT.

Ntq$310: I'll start the poll now. Sorry I missed it earlier.

I'll try that.

You can crop out a section of the atlas to plan on if you want. That was the better way.

sedimenjerry: well gmap uploader's not that sophisticated, but it'll really be handy when I stick the whole region on there.

Whenever I go to establish a city that I haven't had the name ready for since I started the CJ.

Snoopy235: Which island? I need specifics.

Thanks.

TimeMaster: Hmm... I'll put that one to a vote as well to stop this debate. I don't exactly think it's fair to limit it to one per 16km^2.

supercity124: I have to say that that request is utterly pointless. There is no need for those new streets, as all the commuters come in from the north, and that street doesn't even have enough business on it to need a road even if they were all at 100% occupation. I'm denying it before the DOT even gets a chance to look at it. Downtown hasn't grown that much.

--Whole debate not addressed, as I'm settling it with a poll.--

Splime: Correct, but your conversion's wrong. 1 kilometer = 0.62137 miles, and 1 mile = 1.60934 kilometers. And we have duplicate restaurants like that around here. At one point on one street there are 3 7-Elevens within 1/2 mile (all visible from each other), and they're about to open a new Chik-fil-A 1 block away from the only existing one in town. There are also Burger Kings located only about a mile apart. Restaurants are actually located pretty close together IRL, but I don't think at this time there's really a need for multiple ones of the same type within 1 city tile.

GreekMan: Thanks.

That it is.

Archean: *sappy soap opera voice* Oh, Archean, how could you???

Yep, a highway. RHW's actually pretty easy once you get the hang of it. For some examples I would check out the Greater Terran Region, Haljackey's signature, my "Other Cities," Franklin and Patian Counties, and the RHW development thread (@SC4D). *phone operator voice* If you need immediate assistance, please dial 1-800-DTP-HELP on your mobile phone. (NOT REAL NUMBER) Just kidding, just PM me.

OK, enough with the voice impersonations.

Glad you like it.

Ntq$310: Yeah those are cool aren't they? I was looking at them on the LEX a while ago (they were released earlier there) and thought about using them. You want to?

Yeah, there were some huge reforms in the fast food industry following the obesity epidemic that struck the old city in 1964 (made up, but expect more in the future). And it is currently 2026.

--More debate cut out--

I'll open the polls right now.

[Ntq€310 1]

though it looks good on paper stoping the growth of the industry does nothing in simcity 4 terms.

[Hampi 54]

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That map looks great!

Now it will be much easier to plan development!

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I don't either think that it shall be any limitation in fast food restaurants in the city, if people want to be unhealthy in virgin shores they shall have that right.

And the restaurants will give more sims jobs and that's good for the development in the city!

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Neither the Mayor nor the DOT approves of Supercity124's plan.

It tears down buildings in downtown to pave new roads that are simply not needed. There is low volume on the streets, which indicate it is sufficient for the area. Also, it is a low-density and out-of-the-way area, and does not need any more roads at this time.

Furthurmore, the DOT does not approve of the demanding tone of the request. If it is a request, do not act like you are the DOT yourself. If you wish to be, you can run against me in the next election.

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About the fast food restaurants, I am against any kind of limitation per tile, as this deprives the people of an important lifestyle choice that does not harm anyone else. If they wish to be unhealthy, that's their concern.

Patricius Maximus,

Head of the Department of Transportation