Bomb explodes in Times Square

[Callbat 8]

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people?quote>

Aren't we forgetting something?

Inhumane treatment of prisoners?

Torture camps?

Forced Labour?

Prisoner executions?

Huge allied (British & American) casualties because of Japanese fanaticism?

Please get your facts straight, 2,500 were killed, you have just shown a major lack of respect.

Japanese fanaticism provoked the pacific theatre, the Americans in fact DID NOT want to go to war with Japan. The nuclear weapons were originally developed for use against Germany, but it surrendered, and if the Americans had invaded Japan their projected casualties from Japanese fanaticism would've been in the millions. The deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were approximately 250,000, not "millions". The bombs were only used as a final means of vicotry, because Japan would not surrender. If you go to a Japanese school, I can understand your lack of correct information, the history of the Second World War is often hindered from the youth in Japanese schools.

[Jman47 0]

nihomkaranws, your remarks were deeply offending to me as an american.

i admit our foreign policy is stupid as hell, but not all americans agree with the way the government handles things.

and if we stayed isolasionist all these years till now, all of europe would be speaking german and asia would be all japanese.

please think b4 you post, as much as everyone hates us, we try to do the best we can.

and please dont think cause bush got elected twice we ALL voted for him, i still fail to understand how he was even elected once. 

hopefully our next president, whoever it may be, will be a little smarter, especially on the foreign policy front.

[patriots_1228 51]

Nihon-Im sorry you feel that way. And I suppose I should be pissed off at britain for the boston "Massacre" which happened what, 250? years ago? War sucks. Get used to it.

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws No offense to American people, but sometimes all this drama about bombs going off in America sickens me. Guys, you invade other countries, you use extremely powerful weapons, and you kill anyone that gets in your way. And all of that for what, oil? You cause so much harm in other countries that kill thousands of people and don't seem to give a damn, yet your famous towers get hit by planes and a bomb goes off in your city and your ranting and raving as if the world has ended. Kind of brought it on yourself, didn't you?

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people? I know that's the past, but it simply represents what's going on today.

So America, stay the hell out of other countries and mind your own business. That would do us all a favor, including your loyal citizens. Phew.quote>

I think your rant should be directed towards the gov.... alot of us who have open minds think Bush is a feces-covered monkey with the brain of a fruit fly. Alot of people died in the WTC attack, just because it was in the US doesn't mean it's any less (or more) important than other terrorist attacks.

I agree with you on Hiroshima though, what the hell was that for?

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws... Kind of brought it on yourself, didn't you?

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people? I know that's the past, but it simply represents what's going on today.

quote>

 

Might wanna check those numbers again, my friend. About 3000 were killed at Pearl Harbor. And it was a war we didn't start. One could make the assertion that Japan brought Hiroshima and Nagasaki on themselves, and get full agreement from the victims of Nanking. 

But this isn't about history. It is about now.

Japan certainly enjoys the protection of nuclear arms nowadays, by US treaty, without the messy politics of owning or developing any. Good thing too, with North Korea and China so close.

[The Boy 0]

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws No offense to American people, but sometimes all this drama about bombs going off in America sickens me. Guys, you invade other countries, you use extremely powerful weapons, and you kill anyone that gets in your way. And all of that for what, oil? You cause so much harm in other countries that kill thousands of people and don't seem to give a damn, yet your famous towers get hit by planes and a bomb goes off in your city and your ranting and raving as if the world has ended. Kind of brought it on yourself, didn't you?

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people? I know that's the past, but it simply represents what's going on today.

So America, stay the hell out of other countries and mind your own business. That would do us all a favor, including your loyal citizens. Phew.quote>

Sir what is WRONG WITH YOU? We had nearly 4 thousand people killed that day in the towers, our main building of national defense got hit by a plane, and another plane was brought down in the middle of a field. We are not there in Iraq/middle east for Oil. I know people currently serving over there, they laugh when I ask them that. Theres no Oil around them plus how can we really even import the oil?

You don't get it do you? We had about 6,000 people killed that day in all (I don't have an exact statistic) where ever in HELL are you getting your news from? I'm sorry, but your completely clueless to the issue. We've already let these people bomb us about 5 times, in more than one place, and then they took around 6.000 lives. You don't understand the factor of terrorism, what country do you live in? I hate the war, completely hate it. But, I know we HAVE TO BE THERE to fight this because if not, we're gonna have them getting nuclear stuff among other things, thats a proven fact too. I'm not saying the world has ended, like some people might be doing.. we did NOT bring it to ourselfs, we actually tried helping them by giving some group which is now a terrorist group money to help defend themselfs from Russia. You really need to learn more about this before you go criticizing Americans on stuff you have no remote idea about.

[The Boy 0]

Originally posted by: manticorefan

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws... Kind of brought it on yourself, didn't you?

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people? I know that's the past, but it simply represents what's going on today.

quote>

 

Might wanna check those numbers again, my friend. About 3000 were killed at Pearl Harbor. And it was a war we didn't start. One could make the assertion that Japan brought Hiroshima and Nagasaki on themselves, and get full agreement from the victims of Nanking. 

But this isn't about history. It is about now.

Japan certainly enjoys the protection of nuclear arms nowadays, by US treaty, without the messy politics of owning or developing any. Good thing too, with North Korea and China so close.quote>

Thanks for correcting that..

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: The Boy

Sir what is WRONG WITH YOU? We had nearly 4 thousand people killed that day in the towers,quote>

No, you hadn't.

I know people currently serving over there, they laugh when I ask them that.quote>

Of course they do. They're soldiers.

Theres no Oil around them plus how can we really even import the oil?quote>

That's right. It's beneath them. Importing oil is easy—you need a port to ship it out, a ship, and a port to recieve it.

You don't get it do you? We had about 6,000 people killed that day in all (I don't have an exact statistic) where ever in HELL are you getting your news from?quote>

No you hadn't. Where ever in hell are you getting your news from?

I'm sorry, but your completely clueless to the issue.quote>

You're missing some parts too.

and then they took around 6.000 lives.quote>

Less than half of that, actually.

You don't understand the factor of terrorism, what country do you live in? I hate the war, completely hate it. But, I know we HAVE TO BE THERE to fight this because if not, we're gonna have them getting nuclear stuff among other things, thats a proven fact too.quote>

If it's nuclear weapons you're afraid of, then Gerogia should be on your mind.

I'm not saying the world has ended, like some people might be doing.. we did NOT bring it to ourselfs, we actually tried helping them by giving some group which is now a terrorist group money to help defend themselfs from Russia. You really need to learn more about this before you go criticizing Americans on stuff you have no remote idea about.quote>

From Soviet. And the US didn't have complete control over the flow either.

And about the bomb—the interesting thing is of course New York, not the bomb.

[The Boy 0]

Sorry, I don't have the exact body count when I was looking it up. But seriously, we aren't over there for oil. If we we're there would've been solders already coming back saying WE ONLY OVER THERE FOR OIL, BUSH LIED!!!!1 But there isn't seriously. Ehh Georgia.. by where hes getting his news from I mean hes saying stuff about were only over there for oil, and hes saying its not a big deal terrorists took a few airplanes and smashed them into buildings.. so at the bottom, your saying its more suspicious being in New York right?

[Nerd_Guy 4]

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people? I know that's the past, but it simply represents what's going on today.

So America, stay the hell out of other countries and mind your own business. That would do us all a favor, including your loyal citizens. Phew.quote>

 

We dropped the nukes for a good reason.  Do you know how many more lives would have been lost if the US had began the planned mainland invasion of Japan?? I'm not just talking about the Japenese army and the US army, but also civilians caught in the way.  And it's not like Pearl Harbor led directly to the dropping of the bomb. That would be like saying "Well I was hungry, so I ended up throwing up." You kinda left out all the parts in the middle, like eating waaaay too much food...  And the last time  I checked, the estimated number of casulties was just under 105,000; NOT over 1 million... Please, check your facts. And I'm tired of ignorant people like you telling us off for the policies our government has.  The civilian population does not vote to go to war. That would be up to the Senate and the President.  Also, we do generally stay out of other countries business, until either we get pulled in to it, or they ask for help. I know you guys have had your fair share of IRA bombings and such, but if you lost as many people as we did in one unpredictable moment, you would know how we felt across the pond.  I'm not saying your governent would react in the same way, but hey, we're not the United friggin Kingdom, all right? We have different policies than you, get off our backs about it people! Every country is different. I'm not saying the USA is perfect, but neither is any other country. We all have our flaws.  You don't see Americans on this site bashing other members countries.  For the most part, we are very courtious about that. We have to deal with the stereotypical image of the racist, nationalist, ignorant American. I am constantly seeing people say very bad things about America, and unless you want us to start pointing out your countries flaws, I suggest you stop.

I would like to appoligize to anyone I have insulted. IMHO, this is something that needed to be said.

EDIT: I would like to say that I can't belive that our own citizens would bomb New York. Violence to protest violence only leads to more violence. Btw, I would like to add that I have created a thread in the Off Topic section to address the Anti-American issue.

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Okay, folks....time to turn down the burners on this barbecue, please.

The topic is the pipe bomb in NY, which appears to be a case of malcontent-based domestic terrorism. The FBI is on the case, so an arrest is pretty likely. This wasn't a 'sophisticated' attack.

[gatorhead92 0]

Scary stuff this morning. That made my heart sunk this morning waking up to hear that. I was so relieved to hear all it did was shatter some glass. But i cant even believe what im hearing er umm-seeing. A bomb going up in Times Square, to going to a debate to what happen to Pearl Harbor in th 40's. I had no idea that there was still people who held a grudge after all these years toward what happened over a half of century ago. Get over it! Whats done is done and theres no changing the past. Sure Americas not perfect but dont start saying that we brought anything unto ourselves. We didnt ask for this war!. Apparantly, they wanted one so we gave them one. This should have been a message to the world that America will not stand down and look like cowards!

 P.S. i posted this before i read the last few replies so its a little similar

[The Boy 0]

Originally posted by: manticorefan Okay, folks....time to turn down the burners on this barbecue, please.

The topic is the pipe bomb in NY, which appears to be a case of malcontent-based domestic terrorism. The FBI is on the case, so an arrest is pretty likely. This wasn't a 'sophisticated' attack.quote>

Yeah, true. But luckily they've got SOME video evidence, I don't know how far it'll go, but hopefully an arrest WILL be made!

[Death54 3]

We are not there in Iraq/middle east for Oil. I know people currently serving over there, they laugh when I ask them that. Theres no Oil around them plus how can we really even import the oil?quote>

Then explain to me why some of the largest air bases the U.S. currently has are in Iraq. We invaded Iraq because of greed by the Bush Administration. We wanted to establish a permanent air base and permanent oil fields there so that if Saudi Arabia flakes out and wants America out, we still have military bases in the Middle East. If you think we really invaded Iraq to liberate the Iraqis of Saddam Hussein and stop him from acquiring Weapons of Mass Destruction, answer these questions, why wouldn't we wait for the U.N. to officially announce war, and do you think we went on ahead without waiting for the inspectors?

As for the comment that there's no oil in Iraq, Iraq has more than 112 billion barrels of oil in proven reserves, making it the second largest oil producer in the world (http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aairaqioil.htm). And you can bet the number one producer isn't the U.S.A. How you import the oil, simple, how you import oil anywhere, on tankers.

On the actual topic, I think it's bad to fight violence with violence, and the group who did this should've protested or done something more peaceful instead of fighting bombings and killings with a small bomb.

[Voar Tok 4]

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people? I know that's the past, but it simply represents what's going on today.quote>

Bad example.  We were minding our own business (we didn't have troops anywhere - I know were were supplying weapons though) when Pearl Harbor got attacked.  The Japanese attacked because they knew that the US would eventually get dragged into World War II and they knew they couldn't survive an extended war with the US involved.

Now, flash forward a few years.  Japan is the only country left to be defeated by the Allied powers.  The US and other allied forces take over all of the islands that Japan is defending, and in the process, breaks the backbone of the Japanese military.  The problem is that even though the Japanese army is basically crippled, they refuse to surrender.  Now enter the atomic bomb, the most powerful weapon ever developed up to its time.  Truman tells the Japanese that the US has developed the most powerful weapon ever developed, and, quite understandably, the Japanese didn't believe him.  Even the most conservative estimates on what the outcome of invading the Japanese mainland would entail had the casualty toll at well over one million people.  Truman gives the order to drop the bomb and Hiroshima got glassed.  Roughly 90,000 people died in one second.  Japan was given a couple of days to surrender, but they didn't because they didn't believe that the US could do it again.  So they bombed Nagasaki.  About 40,000 people died in a second.  Realizing that they faced obvious defeat, the Japanese surrendered.

But no where near one million people died from this, and the bombs weren't dropped because the we decided that we wanted to get back at Japan for what they did to Pearl Harbor.  This is hard to grasp, but the atomic bombs actually saved far more lives than they claimed.  That's no comfort to the people who lost loved ones in the bombings, but it is the truth of the situation.

Now, I have a policy about people going around and ignorantly spewing incorrect facts in half-slanderous fashion, so allow me to update your history records on your World War II stats.

Pearl Harbor death toll: ~ 2,300 instead of the 150 you cited

Hiroshima: ~90,000 (I didn't include radiation poisoning because the stats are less agreed upon)

Nagasaki: ~40,000 (apparently Nagasaki's Peace Park has stats I was unaware of)

Also, the atomic bombs were not modern nuclear weapons.  They don't poison the land for thousands of years.

Please do your research before you post inflammatory comments.  There's very little more irritating than someone who goes on tangents like you did, and don't even have their stats right.

[Micah 16]

Okay... first and last warning on this thread.

It's not about the Iraq War. It's not about World War II. And it's definitely not about oil.

The topic is about the explosion and the explosion only. We have other threads for other topics. If something here sparks an interest in you, create another thread for it. Thanks.

Edit: I would have been more lenient on the off-topicness if it didn't abrupt into a flame war.

[Callbat 8]

I apologise that my comment strays from the topic currently being discussed, but there is a slight matter I must address

we're not the United friggin Kingdomquote>

Woah Woah Woah.......nihon is from Japan.........leave the UK out of this..since when have we complained to you about your foreign policies?

Edit: I think everyone needs to relax here.....remember what Eric Idle said........

[Duke87 1,070]

Interestingly enough the media does not seem to be branding this guy a terrorist. Wonders never cease.

[Frankie_Grove 32]

Originally posted by: Callbat

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people?quote>

Aren't we forgetting something?

Inhumane treatment of prisoners?

Torture camps?

Forced Labour?

Prisoner executions?

Huge allied (British & American) casualties because of Japanese fanaticism?

Please get your facts straight, 2,500 were killed, you have just shown a major lack of respect.

Japanese fanaticism provoked the pacific theatre, the Americans in fact DID NOT want to go to war with Japan. The nuclear weapons were originally developed for use against Germany, but it surrendered, and if the Americans had invaded Japan their projected casualties from Japanese fanaticism would've been in the millions. The deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were approximately 250,000, not "millions". The bombs were only used as a final means of vicotry, because Japan would not surrender. If you go to a Japanese school, I can understand your lack of correct information, the history of the Second World War is often hindered from the youth in Japanese schools.quote>

Could not have said it better myself. I'm rather appalled that someone else's numbers would be so far off (come on now, 150?). It sickens me that their government has filtered the truth out of their own history.

Anyways, back on topic. While yes we should seek out who is responsible, I think this certainly this was blown way out of proportion. I'm just going to agree with the guess that it was probably an anti-war activist.

[ilikehotdogsalot 311]

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws No offense to American people, but sometimes all this drama about bombs going off in America sickens me. Guys, you invade other countries, you use extremely powerful weapons, and you kill anyone that gets in your way. And all of that for what, oil? You cause so much harm in other countries that kill thousands of people and don't seem to give a damn, yet your famous towers get hit by planes and a bomb goes off in your city and your ranting and raving as if the world has ended. Kind of brought it on yourself, didn't you?

Here's and example. During WWII Japan launched an attack on Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, which killed about 150 people, and in return America drops nuclear bombs which killed over 1 million people? I know that's the past, but it simply represents what's going on today.

So America, stay the hell out of other countries and mind your own business. That would do us all a favor, including your loyal citizens. Phew.quote>

You live in Japan and you think millions of people died in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Last time I checked, 200,000 died, not millions. It was 2,000 who died in Pearl Harbor, not 150, by the way. The only reason the United States did it was due to the fact Japan would not surrender, and a war would take lives of millions of Japanese, British, and Americans. The drop in Hiroshima/Nagasaki was the only option the United States had to save as many lives as possible. How is this going on today?

 If we cause harm in other countries that kill thousands, which I haven't head of [?], the only reason was not for oil. I don't suppose we liberated Nazi death camps for oil. I don't think we sent millions of dollars to help aid the Indian Ocean typhoon for oil. I doubt we are sending aid workers to Darfur for oil. But we enter a country that was believed to hold nuclear weapons, and who might have connections to the death of 3,000 people, and suddenly it's all about oil?

If a plane struck a tower anywhere in the world tomorrow, I would think it would make some news. Simultaneous attacks on the Pentagon and the tallest towers in Manhattan won't get pushed aside from news casts. Give me a break, New York is a financial epicenter, of course you're going to hear about it. Had it happen in London, Paris, Tokyo, Madrid, wherever, you'd hear about it too. Don't go of saying this litter, Didn't the tube bombings in London make huge news, too? Maybe the Madrid train bombings, or the Mumbai bombings might ring some bells too. There are dozens of bombs in the United States that barely make it out of the surface, and the only reason you're hearing about this Times Square Bomb was because this is a website mostly populated by Americans, and it grabbed the attention of domestic networks due to the famous location, therefore it was posted here. I don't think this made front page news across the world. If it did, then I guess it was a slow news day.

I'm in no ways trying to start flame war or go into an off-topic debate, but leaving this unsaid would really bother me, so I'd rather get in trouble than leave it unsaid. I've never read a post that angered me so much.

EDIT: *sigh* Why do we have to stay on topic in the Off Topic board...

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: ilikehotdogsalot

EDIT: *sigh* Why do we have to stay on topic in the Off Topic board...quote>

Because it gets too confusing otherwise.

If you guys want to discuss WWII, that's fine, but this isn't the thread for it.

[panthersimcity4 162]

I think we may have to lock this thread

In fact, it's times like these I wish politics and religion discussion weren't allowed at all...

[fukuda 351]

Originally posted by: ilikehotdogsalot and it grabbed the attention of domestic networks due to the famous location, therefore it was posted here. I don't think this made front page news across the world. If it did, then I guess it was a slow news day.quote>

It did, just under our weekly bombings

Originally posted by: ilikehotdogsalot

I'm in no ways trying to start flame war or go into an off-topic debate, but leaving this unsaid would really bother me, so I'd rather get in trouble than leave it unsaid. I've never read a post that angered me so much.

quote>

The post also angered me, but I'm not commenting it. If people want to, they just have to make a new topic, if they can keep it civil, of course..

[Callbat 8]

I think we may have to lock this thread

In fact, it's times like these I wish politics and religion discussion weren't allowed at all...quote>

Lock this thread? Not allow political or religious debate? How about showing some maturity and make intelligent, civilised  debate instead of fighting like savages?

[xmike1991 2]

Originally posted by: Callbat

I think we may have to lock this thread

In fact, it's times like these I wish politics and religion discussion weren't allowed at all...quote>

Lock this thread? Not allow political or religious debate? How about showing some maturity and make intelligent, civilised  debate instead of fighting like savages?quote>

thats the thing, some people here cant, nor have the ability to, grasp that idea of maturity.

and what i dont get is that a bomb goes off in jerusalem, or instanbul or wherever, it gets one day of news around the world. plane crashes in NYC. weeks worth of news, plus yearly anniversary stories..

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: ilikehotdogsalotDidn't the tube bombings in London make huge news, too? Maybe the Madrid train bombings, or the Mumbai bombings might ring some bells too. There are dozens of bombs in the United States that barely make it out of the surface, and the only reason you're hearing about this Times Square Bomb was because this is a website mostly populated by Americans, and it grabbed the attention of domestic networks due to the famous location, therefore it was posted here. I don't think this made front page news across the world. If it did, then I guess it was a slow news day.quote>

Madrid, London and Mumbai was of another magnitude, I think we can agree on that. But as said, it's the location; not necessarily the city, but Times Square is quite known throughout the world. But if it had been a terror act, it would have been rather unimportant. Especially considered the timing of it. As Fukuda said, it rated below their weekly bombings, but was still mentioned with a couple of lines.

I don't suppose many outside Denmark heard about the attacks on solariums here—or that the national train traffic was halted for four hours while the army blew up some gas equpiment believed to be a bomb.

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: Callbat

I think we may have to lock this thread

In fact, it's times like these I wish politics and religion discussion weren't allowed at all...quote>

Lock this thread? Not allow political or religious debate? How about showing some maturity and make intelligent, civilised  debate instead of fighting like savages?quote>

I'm afraid that's easier said than done. There's always a small group of people here (and anywhere there is debate) who start these flamewars...

[nihonkaranws 88]

Guys sorry about using the Japan thing as an example. I know that was a bit out of order. But I still think that America is kind of bringing the terrorism on themselves. I actually was directing what I said to the government, I just didn't make it that clear.

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Thank you mods, for not being in a hurry to shut this one down. 

I had really expected this kind of thing in Portland, Seattle, or San Francisco. Even Chicago, where recruiters and amories have been attacked before. I would look for this sort of attempt at primitive '¡Revolucioñ!' where the radical types congregate first for it. Coupled with the return of Tre Arrow to the US for domestic terrorism, I was expecting it here on the Left Coast by now. 

[Frankie_Grove 32]

Originally posted by: nihonkaranwsBut I still think that America is kind of bringing the terrorism on themselves.quote>

Well, terrorism is nothing new. The Middle East has been a hotspot for violence for quite some time now. And of course, now that they have a common "enemy", they can actually come together with similar goals.

Terror attacks haven't really been as common in the US. The only ones I can remember right off the Oklahoma City bombings, the Centennial Plaza bombings in Atlanta, and of course 9/11. While their motivations may have been different, terrorism is terrorism. We aren't really bringing it on ourselves, if we weren't putting pressure on the Middle East, who knows what other attacks they could freely carry out un-hindered.

This little mishap did not cause any major damage or fatalities, and we should be thankful for that. Nothing else can really be said, except that I hope the people responsible are found before they try something like this again.