Taking the Bible Literally

[packersfan 666]

The Bible is just a book? So are history books and instructional books and we take them literally. What Jesus was saying is that if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off, for it is better to follow God with one hand than to sin and fall away. It may seem extreme and it probably was, for I don't think Jesus meant for us to cut off our hands, but rather to avoid things if they make us turn from God. If playing SimCity hurts our faith, we should cut SimCity from our life. If drinking or listening to certain music hurts our faith we should remove it from our life to prevent falling away.

The problem with many people that disparage the Bible is that they think all Christians take every word blindly literally, when it is clear that many things, especially that Jesus says is in the forms of parables and similies. Jesus never said that a camel could actually go through the eye of a needle, but it is easier for that to happen then for a man who worships money to enter heaven. I'll take arguements.

This is a sad story of an extreme case which will only provide ammunition for anti-Christians in the world.

I also just skimmed over a few of the comments again.  On stoning your non-virgin fiancee, that LAW no longer applies with the new covenant Jesus/God created with us.  That LAW was for Jewish Israel.  Jesus himself said that he with no sin cast the first stone.  The LAW was fulfilled in Jesus and his death and resurrection.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228 You guys really have a problem.

You turn every thread into a religious debate, and the athiests are always trying to make the religious people feel like sh!t.

guess what. Science is not fact. Religion is not fact. Not everything in the bible is true, but part of the bible is true. Not everything in Science is true, but part of science is true.

The point is, if there were one right answer to "the question" (why are we here?) there would be no debate about it.

we all agree that 1+1=2, right?

but what is the answer to 2x=y? there are a million different possibilities! I believe x=2 and y=4. You beleive x=4 and y=8. One single way is not the right way. If you beleive it's right, then you have a right to beleive that without other people trying to shoot it down. I hope this could be used in future religious debates here at ST.

As ski geek pointed out, if you want to debate about religion, there are more then enough threads already available.

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What's not true about science? True, some findings may be inaccurate, but science aim to correct that. If science has come to that A is right earlier, but new findings suggest that B is right and this is proved, A can no longer be considered a scientific fact. Religion, on the other hand, make no attempt to correct their mistakes.

And no, 1+1 isn't always 2. That dependes on the system you are using, and how accurate your findings are.

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws I have to say that religion is one of the stupidest beliefs in the world. quote>

Congratulations, you've bashed about over a million different religious beliefs.

Please, if you want to bash religion just do it in one of the specified threads. You can whine all you want about how "dumb" we are, but it's not going to do anything.

[coolotter88 2]

science is fact...always. no ifs or buts.

[Callbat 8]

Could we please not debate science and religion on this thread? I really don't care how wrong you all think I am for being Catholic, and thruth is, I really don't care for you type of people, who turn every thread into some kind of political or religious debate, either.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: panthersimcity4

Originally posted by: nihonkaranws I have to say that religion is one of the stupidest beliefs in the world. quote>

Congratulations, you've bashed about over a million different religious beliefs.

Please, if you want to bash religion just do it in one of the specified threads. You can whine all you want about how "dumb" we are, but it's not going to do anything.

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And there's nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by: coolotter88 science is fact...always. no ifs or buts.quote>

Science is actually probably.

[coolotter88 2]

well, maybe not theoretical physics.

[Callbat 8]

And there's nothing wrong with that.quote>

Please shut up, and move yourself to the appropriate threads

[SimRabbit 48]

wait, is this another "god existence" thread?

I tought it was about the mentally ill man who cut his hand and cooked it.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: SimRabbit wait, is this another "god existence" thread?

I tought it was about the mentally ill man who cut his hand and cooked it. quote>

The one godly man in a Satanic world... How sad.

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: SimRabbit wait, is this another "god existence" thread?

I tought it was about the mentally ill man who cut his hand and cooked it. quote>

YES, let's discuss the actual topic.

 "... heat for 1 minute on high... "

Seriously, he needs spiritual counseling from someone at his church.

[patriots_1228 51]

krbe-You really don't belong on any forum if your going to harrash people for their beleives.

Anyone who thinks all Science is fact clearly NEVER took a science class/course in their lifetime. Because it is not a fact the big bang happened, It is not a fact that life exists on mars, they are merely theories that sound plausible.

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On Topic comment-

Does anyone know what kind of drugs this guy was taking? perhaps he should have double checked 666 were the devils number, because, had he put some real thought into this, he would have learned its 616

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228 krbe-You really don't belong on any forum if your going to harrash people for their beleives.quote>

I'm sorry if you feel harrased, but I do believe he has the right to bash every religious people on this planet if he really wants it. I'm religious myself, although appalled by the consequenses of mass religion, and is thus one of the stupidest of this planet.

And, as long as this isn't about morale, fact/probability, the one opinion isn't much better than the other. Also let us remind ourself of what one of the enlightened said:

Originally posted by: Voltaire I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.quote>

Anyone who thinks all Science is fact clearly NEVER took a science class/course in their lifetime. Because it is not a fact the big bang happened, It is not a fact that life exists on mars, they are merely theories that sound plausible. quote>

Quite right, a lot of it is probabilities, but at least it is based on research.

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On Topic comment-

Does anyone know what kind of drugs this guy was taking? perhaps he should have double checked 666 were the devils number, because, had he put some real thought into this, he would have learned its 616

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When did they change the number of the beast? And also, if the above commented was directed at me, it really shouldn't be. This is the on man who has taken the Bible literally as I've heard of, ill or not. But I've heard a lot of people say that the Bible shouldn't be interpreted.

[packersfan 666]

Wow the arguments of life...The fact is a man misunderstood some Bible teachings and took them really literally. The Bible is literal, but must be taken in context and must interpret itself. What is really interesting is that the world has not changed at all since the time of Jesus. He came and said and did unbelievable things and people thought he was crazy. This world thinks anybody who has heard God or talked to God is crazy, and sometimes deservedly so, but God isn't a logical thing, and considering we live in a sinful world, the world and Satan wants to turn us away from God.

[patriots_1228 51]

krbe-if you read tonks post on page 1 you'll see the number was originally 616, then some misprint made it 666. People are allowed to be religious, and, where I come from, you can get thrown in jail or sued for harrasing them for practicing a religion.

[Barbarossa 51]

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[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228 krbe-if you read tonks post on page 1 you'll see the number was originally 616, then some misprint made it 666. People are allowed to be religious, and, where I come from, you can get thrown in jail or sued for harrasing them for practicing a religion.quote>

Frome where I come too, but only if it's aimed at specific persons and/or encourage crime.At least we allow neonazis to say just about anything about gays, immigrants, jews, politicians and decent people.

However, good to see that browsing the internet isn't going to send you to hell longer.

Originally posted by: Barbarossa Actually, krbe, the quote you mention belongs to Evelyn Beatrice Hall, not Voltaire.  A common misconception.  It was a part of my sig for many, many months.

Barbarossaquote>

I saw that, but it said "first attributted to", and since people know Voltaire better than ms. Hall  (and said/wrote it at a later opportunity), i thought it would be better

Big names sell well: Buddah, Caesar, Jesus, Napoleon, Hitler, JFK and Rowan Atkinson. C'est la vie.

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: krbe 

At least we allow neonazis to say just about anything about gays, immigrants, jews, politicians and decent people.

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We don't allow them to say it on SimTropolis!

[patriots_1228 51]

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: patriots_1228 krbe-if you read tonks post on page 1 you'll see the number was originally 616, then some misprint made it 666. People are allowed to be religious, and, where I come from, you can get thrown in jail or sued for harrasing them for practicing a religion.quote>

Frome where I come too, but only if it's aimed at specific persons and/or encourage crime.  At least we allow neonazis to say just about anything about gays, immigrants, jews, politicians and decent people.

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We don't allow them to say it on SimTropolis!quote>

 

and where I come from is simtropolis

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Originally posted by: packersfan Jesus never said that a camel could actually go through the eye of a needle, but it is easier for that to happen then for a man who worships money to enter heaven. I'll take arguements.

but God isn't a logical thing,

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This particular analogy was contemporaneous. The walls of Jerusalem had a very narrow gate, called the Eye of the Needle. In order for trade caravans to use the gate, the camels would have to be unloaded first because they wouldn't fit while they were loaded.  The underlying message was that a rich man would have to 'unload his baggage', so to speak. Not necessarily become poor, but rather lose the pride, arrogance, and lack of compassion that riches tend to bring a person and humble himself before God.

Yes, God is logical. If God is the root source of logic, then He must practice it as well. Logical thinking is not at odds with religion; regardless of those who disagree.  Eastern influences have bred the logical facet out of Christianity in favor of vague mysticism. Professor John Robbins did a lengthy series of lectures on logical thinking and how it relates to Christianity.

but all of this is kinda off-topic, my apologies to those offended. 

Back on-topic...

So...did he use Shake-n-bake? 

What kind of wine goes with hand?

[fukuda 351]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228 You guys really have a problem.

You turn every thread into a religious debate, and the athiests are always trying to make the religious people feel like sh!t.

guess what. Science is not fact. Religion is not fact. Not everything in the bible is true, but part of the bible is true. Not everything in Science is true, but part of science is true.

The point is, if there were one right answer to "the question" (why are we here?) there would be no debate about it.

we all agree that 1+1=2, right?

but what is the answer to 2x=y? there are a million different possibilities! I believe x=2 and y=4. You beleive x=4 and y=8. One single way is not the right way. If you beleive it's right, then you have a right to beleive that without other people trying to shoot it down. I hope this could be used in future religious debates here at ST.

As ski geek pointed out, if you want to debate about religion, there are more then enough threads already available.

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ok then, I won't debate religion, I'll only debate the philosophical aspects of your post, i'll be neutral and objective in the point of view.

Science was never exposed as a "fact" it cannot be by its own principles, as a thing in constant evolution cannot be a fact. Religion is exposed as a fact, (your own) God is real, and everything was made by (your own) God.

the 2x = y argument is sophistic, physic systems and reality work in a given way, not 200 depending on the user beliefs.

[Taylor1 0]

Originally posted by: Callbat Could we please not debate science and religion on this thread? I really don't care how wrong you all think I am for being Catholic, and thruth is, I really don't care for you type of people, who turn every thread into some kind of political or religious debate, either.quote>

Honestly, let them be, they'll see what happens when they face the judgement day, there are certain things that shouldn't be discussed in public #1 being religion #2 being family, don't bash people's families and religions all of you evoloution ufo hunting whatever's go ahead and carry on with your nothing to believe at the end at least we believe in something where there could be a good part after death and not what you guys think.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

We don't allow them to say it on SimTropolis!quote>

 

and where I come from is simtropolis quote>

As long as it's possible to open about ones beliefs. I don't aim to offend anyone, but I won't regret people being offended either; that's the nature of a public discussion, and what drives the world further.

Originally posted by: manticorefan

Originally posted by: packersfan Jesus never said that a camel could actually go through the eye of a needle, but it is easier for that to happen then for a man who worships money to enter heaven. I'll take arguements.

but God isn't a logical thing,

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This particular analogy was contemporaneous. The walls of Jerusalem had a very narrow gate, called the Eye of the Needle. In order for trade caravans to use the gate, the camels would have to be unloaded first because they wouldn't fit while they were loaded.  The underlying message was that a rich man would have to 'unload his baggage', so to speak. Not necessarily become poor, but rather lose the pride, arrogance, and lack of compassion that riches tend to bring a person and humble himself before God.quote>

That doesn't sound too stupid; but which story are more important, this one or the one that says you should make money?

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: patriots_1228

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

We don't allow them to say it on SimTropolis!quote>

 

and where I come from is simtropolis quote>

As long as it's possible to open about ones beliefs. I don't aim to offend anyone, but I won't regret people being offended either; that's the nature of a public discussion, and what drives the world further.

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Because we are not going to allow people to flame and bash others b/c of their politics, religious beliefs, race, country, ethnicity, income, sex, sexual orientation, educational level, or ability to play Sim City or BAT on this website.  I really hope that's not your way of saying that you are going to push that boundary!

[patriots_1228 51]

Joesocwork-Im sorry, but because you can't make Trixie quality BATs, you don't deserve good healthcare. LOL

I wonder if he used a real microwave or his little sisters easy bake oven?

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

Because we are not going to allow people to flame and bash others b/c of their politics, religious beliefs, race, country, ethnicity, income, sex, sexual orientation, educational level, or ability to play Sim City or BAT on this website.  I really hope that's not your way of saying that you are going to push that boundary!quote>

Not at all; the point is that it has become so modern to have nuanced opinions, that it doesn't really matter what's true and what's false. It shouldn't be that freedom of speak makes every opinion valid. Let's look at this:

A: A recent survey from (insert university with a good reputation here) shows that men are smarter than women.

B: That's horrible to say! What a fraud.

Now, would it be possible to discuss the findings in the report, or would the tide turn against the professor? Turned out that the public (that is, those who discuss in papers and on TV) thought this was a terrible postulate -- how could you make such a claim? Wether the findigs were right or wasn't necessary to deal with -- it was wrong nonetheless (because of the claim).

Wether or not this was/is the truth isn't interesting for this case.

[patriots_1228 51]

krbe why don't you just stop argueing and listen to the site admins and the site rules? You can't win this kind of arguement.

[purpledaddy 6]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228 Joesocwork-Im sorry, but because you can't make Trixie quality BATs, you don't deserve good healthcare. LOL

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It's a Videaucracy! 

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: patriots_1228

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

We don't allow them to say it on SimTropolis!quote>

 

and where I come from is simtropolis quote>

As long as it's possible to open about ones beliefs. I don't aim to offend anyone, but I won't regret people being offended either; that's the nature of a public discussion, and what drives the world further.

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Because we are not going to allow people to flame and bash others b/c of their politics, religious beliefs, race, country, ethnicity, income, sex, sexual orientation, educational level, or ability to play Sim City or BAT on this website.  I really hope that's not your way of saying that you are going to push that boundary!quote>

Yes, religion is very important to many people and to just go around and bash it is very inconsiderate. I myself am Catholic but I dont go running around forcing people to agree with me.  I don't bash gay people or the French (I love baguettes ) like alot of fellow Americans do.

Might as well criticize Barrack Obama for being black or Ellen Degeneres for being gay (like my dad does, lol)

[patriots_1228 51]

sorry, dude, but I have never seen a fellow american bash the french

gay people, occaisionally, but never the french