[lonaryl 3]

Dear Reader,

 

As you can tell by my signature I'm a big fan of RudeBoy's menu divider. Right after it came out, I started working on it, asked questions and managed to sort out my SC4 menus. I decided to give back a little and became part of the RudeCrue, helping out other members use the tool too and starting to work on an extension of the tool. Doing this I have gotten to know RudeBoy a little more than the rest of you and have gotten to know him as a great guy.

 

Whatever has exactly been written on ST forums, PMs, email and MSN to get this argument to this point isn't really important. Respect is. The argument started between MrCinatit and RudeBoy. Two people with very different styles of writing. In this particular argument, I'd call them disrespectfully civilized and disrespectfully dramatic. That's right, RudeBoy, you're as much to blame as the other party.

After the initial disrespectfull words, both parties went on doing exactly what shouldn't be done..

 

RudeBoy enraged.. MrCinatit did exactly what RudeBoy was mad about in the first place and got help from his friend SkiGeek.. RudeBoy enfuriated and started breaking all forum rules just to make his point.. SkiGeek tried to talk to RudeBoy, but in his opinion not like a respected adult, but like a child.. RudeBoy, still angry, breaks some more rules.. SkiGeek banned RudeBoy.. RudeBoy banned ST from his menu divider pack and forum thread.. more nastiness happens..

 

Well, I've read everything to do with the situation and more, and this is roughly what I understood happened. If the above is true or even partially true I hope that everyone agrees that all parties are to blame. RudeBoy demands an apology from MrCinaTit, and I think he deserves one. But RudeBoy: You have been VERY disrespectfull to MrCinaTit over the last weeks. You accuse him of much worse things than I believe he has done. You think he deserves the way you treat him, but all he has done is make a mistake. You owe him an apology too.

 

I hope that both MrCinaTit and RudeBoy are man enough to admit to the mistakes that were made and apologize to each other. I have seen MrCinaTit making an effort to not make this mistake again and I respect him for doing so. The bullying point has been made, and all admins and moderators are very aware by now, I'm sure. The be nice to the newbies point has been made, and many SimTropolians are aware by now, I'm sure. Your argument with MrCinaTit and SkiGeek has been laid on the table, I hope you will see that the best thing to do is settle it. There is no more war to fight, only a peace treaty to sign!

 

THERE IS NO TRUTH, only perception and interpretation.. If you truly belief to be right, you are right, and if someone truly beliefs the opposite of what you do that person is also right. Contradicting beliefs exists side by side in human society. All everyone should do is RESPECT the beliefs others have, even when they contradict your own.

 

RudeBoy, as I said, you're a great guy. I truly hope that you will cease fire and continue your work for this community.

 

Regards,

Rogier

[GingerBlokey 30]

The GingerBlokey Legal Department

We (hereby meaning GingerBlokey and associated name) would like to officialy not be involved at all in this issue. We belive that SimTropolis has always been good to us. We have never had any probelms with any members of staff or other members.

Yours Faithfully
Leon Broome

GingerBlokey's Lawyer

[G4ce 0]

Wow, first of all, lonaryl, I can't believe you said there is no truth, only perception, that was awesome, good boy.
For we are brought up being told what to believe, and so if we were told differently then we would believe differently, it's the whole COlumbus vs. the natives scenario. Columbus viewed the natives as savages that hadn't embracced Christ, the savages viewed themselves as good people, who was right? well, we can't say because in each person's perception they were right and we are judging them with our own perception which is also flawed and bias.

Alright, that was my little off topic rant to get us all happy and nice, and thinking, wow this G4ce kid is super cool, and I think i shall give myself a bunny/ducky combo for it, good boy G4ce .

Ok now, I can't believe this whole thing started over a signature, the straw that broke the camels back perhaps? Anyway, yea, his sig isn't even that bad, until people brought it up, i didn't even notice, if you don't like how big a sig is, simple solution, Don't read it! Tadda! Problem solved! As for it taking up bandwith/space, come on, let's get serious here, there are so many things that should be restricted before lengthy sigs, which might i add in this case only contains text. My sig takes up more space than his does. Unless there's something about computers and servers that i do not, which could be the case, my knowledge of the computer and internet world is quite limited. But I do not think there is, so if Cjah must remove his sig I shall remove mine as well, for it is only fair.

Now Rude boy, don't think i'm all on your side now, I'm on no one's side on this issue, though i agree with some of the points everyone has stated. There are some people out there that yes, bully little newbies who don't know what they're doing. But, this is a community of probably 10 000 active members, there are going to be some bad apples, some mis communication ,some outbreaks of verbal abuse, that cannot be helped. As Mr.Cinatit said, we are but imperfect humans, we make mistakes. And I Do Not At All Agree that for one mistake, a moderator should be stripped of his/her powers. Everyone has they're bad days, and it's bound to happen that they too have a straw that broke they're back. Repeat offenders, well, I have faith that the Admin will deal with them appropriately. I can't say i agree with every decision that any moderator has made, but i can't say i disagree with all of them either. It's all perception. You say tomato, i say tomato (that saying just doesn't work as well in type does it )

Now, you have some great spirit there kid, the world outside Simtropolis could use you, i have no doubt about that. It could use us all. The great Gandhi himself started by seeing injustices in the world and trying to correct them, this might be your calling. There are enormous problems in the world we live in, try and use u're support for the oppressed in these cases. I remember my religion teacher (I'm a hindu atheist who goes to a catholic school, how do you like that )once said A great tragedy happened on September 11, 2001. 50 000 people around the world starved to death on that very day. But the biggest tragedy of all, is that, on September 12, 2001, another 50 000 people starved to dead, and not one of us cared. Now, this is a calling worth fighting for, worth challenging authority for, maybe even worth dying for. So I, like many of your supporters here say, Fight on Rude Boy, but not these small petty battles in this little piece of the web, but for the lives of those people who really do have no one to fight there battles, who are truly oppressed and have no voice. 50 000 yesterday, 50 000 today, will we let tommorow be the same?

Well, that's my rant, and i've gone way off-topic, and for that i humbly ask your forgiveness. But seriously children, there are bigger problems out there, let's get over it and unite in something worthwhile for a change. That's it for me.

Peace out
And God bless these two

[Duke87 1,070]

Okay, well, I've been here for 22 months and in all my time here I have never seen any authority figure do something unreasonable. You know, I've seen this before. Someone thinks that they've been oppressed and raises a big stink about it. Well, in a community this size someone is bound to be unhappy with authority sooner or later. Still, I don't see why you need to attemp to start some crusade or something. The fact is, that, in the past, this type of thing has usually been dealt with with the attitude of You don't like it? Nobody's making you stay. There's the door..... Some have left and said good ridance. Some have calmed down and stayed. Some have gone on to cause trouble and get banned.
And while I will admit that I have seen senior members of the community being obnoxious toward n00bs, I try to avoid doing so myself. And I also have noticed that every time its happened its been by a member, not a moderator or administrator. Frankly, I think that fact supports that the staff is well chosen, and that people with attitude problems or rule pushers don't get positions of power. And there's a good reason for that.

And I don't claim to be such a goody-goody myself either. I have had my profile locked twice during my time here, and have had posts edited from time to time. The key is, I don't break rules on purpose, I just tend to sometimes tread in gray areas (or areas that at least seem gray to me) and end up having someone in power make a ruling on the case not in my favor. Also, one must not make the same mistake twice.

As for opression? No. Just... no. Say what you will, but I don't think there's any opression here.

[Fairlane500 8]

Sure, I have seen a handful of slightly oppresive events in my just over a year here. While most have occured in the cahat room, I believe all but one had a good reason for taking place. Outside of chat, I have seen little that is out of hand. 98% of cases would have gotten on my nerves, but I would have done little more than post a warning. I'm perfectly fine with how the site runs now, not to hurt any one's feelings, but to me it seems you only get picked on if you do something that deserves it.

Just my $.02.

[ephorex_77 0]

Wow, all that text!! *starts bleeding from the eyes *

*Ahem*.. Now that the nasty feel is gone (more or less) from the thread, I think I'm at liberty to assume the more casual manner to which I'm accustomed to. All right, I'll be reasonably succint this time.

 

Rudeboy, initially when you made this thread, I read your post with a sense of growing empathy. No wait, that's not the right word, sympathy is as I've never had it happen to me before; I tend to prefer to stick to the right side of the road. Sympathy and, dare I say it , agreement were the things that I felt. I did agree that some admins and mod have been slightly rough on some people. Bad days perhaps??

 

Anyway, I read skigeek's post and checked her links included for reference to your posts. Naturally, I was quite interested. Image then my...well, dissatisfaction, when I read your posts. All I remember from that few minutes of skimming were your endless posts, repeat posts, comments (and quite unbecoming IMO) in MASSIVE font and surprisingly childish manner. Granted, you may not have been aware of your childish manner, but I daresay that you were perfectly aware of the restrictions on double posting and large fonts. I admit that that was about the time that I read your previous posts on this thread in more subjective a fashion.

 

Judging from the positive comments skigeek received from other members of ST, I don't think that skigeek is as bad as you made her out to be. While MrCinatit's comments (now I remember them ) caused a feeling of some indignation in me, and yes, I agree that perhaps an apology is in order, your comments and tantrums displayed on the other threads have shown your true colours. Such comments and petty fits can only lead to increased abhorrence and diffidence that people feel towards any further complaints/threads you will post in the future.

 

Well, that wasn't too bad eh?? Sorry that I've lost my casual attitude when typing the reply, it sorta happened . Hope I haven't sounded too much like a troll.

 

IMO, threads and issues like these only reflect badly on the community. It was all right when this thread began; I assumed that things would clear up pretty quickly. Naivete on my part perhaps. Let's not continue this thread for too long lest the very fabric of ST be irreversibly torn apart. Let's all just move on and maintain the status quo, albeit with some minor adjustments made here and there by the administration. This way, we can perhaps walk away from this unscathed, and hopefully, a little wiser and more aware.

 

Doh!! Long post again, sorry .   

[toiletpaper 0]

i think people should just be satisfied with what this website is, no-one is forced to be here, if you feel 'oppresed' then dont bother coming here, its only a website

[MayorVieira 1]

I wanna reinterate what other people have already said about Skigeek. She is undoubtedly the most level-headed member of this community, and truly deserves the position granted to her as administrator. Be it in the forums, be it in chat, she always manages to maintain the order while still being friendly. Just like a mother, really.

 

As for the events concerning Rude Boy, her, and MrCinatit, I guess the thread where it all started speaks for itself. Now that we can finally see both sides of the story and everyone can come to their own conclusions, it makes no sense telling everyone what I think about it.

 

One more thing... I second every single word in Duke87's above post. There's a person who has crossed the line (as he said himself) and understands that there's nothing wrong in a moderator doing his job.

Me and Duke aren't exactly best friends (we had a few disagreements in the past) but when he writes something as meaningful as he just did, I don't let personal differences interfere in my judgement. That's how things work here.

[gotanda 0]

Completeley behind Rude Boy.

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Hyperbole...??

Do you see that little E-mail address in my signature, that says:: 
RudeBoyMenuDividerPack@yahoo.com

Not everything gets

[Dirktator 2,311]

Date: 5/31/2005 12:31:19 PM Author: Rude Boy

'Hyperbole'...??

Do you see that little E-mail address in my signature, that says::  RudeBoyMenuDividerPack@yahoo.com

Not everything gets

[fosterk 4]

Date: 5/31/2005 12:31:19 PM
Author: Rude Boy

Do you see that little E-mail address in my signature, that says::

RudeBoyMenuDividerPack@yahoo.com

quote>

So what you really mean is you've had 330+ people email you to sort out and organise their plugins, which is something completely different than 330 people supporting and backing you, yes? That's just what you're signature says...

I don't doubt that you've had 330+ emails from people asking you to fix their plugins folder, but what I do doubt is that you've had 330+ emails from people at your back. I've seen, ooh, maybe five people backing you here.

How about one of your famous quote everything's of these emails, then maybe people would believe you, and want to act. How are we supposed to help these (supposedly) 330+ members, if we don't know who they are?

Finally, if ST is so oppressive, and bad, why do you stay here? This place is free! Run entirely from free will! Don't like it? Don't take it, leave. Simple, eh?

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Date: 5/31/2005 1:03:31 PM Author: dirk

Date: 5/31/2005 12:31:19 PM Author: Rude Boy

'Hyperbole'...??

Do you see that little E-mail address in my signature, that says::  RudeBoyMenuDividerPack@yahoo.com

Not everything gets

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Date: 5/31/2005 1:18:03 PM Author: fosterk

Date: 5/31/2005 12:31:19 PM Author: Rude Boy

Do you see that little E-mail address in my signature, that says::  RudeBoyMenuDividerPack@yahoo.com

So what you really mean is you've had 330+ people email you to sort out and organise their plugins, which is something completely different than 330 people supporting and backing you, yes? That's just what you're signature says... I don't doubt that you've had 330+ emails from people asking you to fix their plugins folder, but what I do doubt is that you've had 330+ emails from people at your back. I've seen, ooh, maybe five people backing you here. How about one of your famous 'quote everything's' of these emails, then maybe people would believe you, and want to act. How are we supposed to help these (supposedly) 330+ members, if we don't know who they are?

WHOOOoooaaa...  (Cool...)   Cocked and Loaded, you are...  and at the whopping age of 14...

Ya know...   This is

[fosterk 4]

Stop avoiding, I'd like an answer, please. What's the point in arguing if you're not going to show what you're arguing about? That's just senseless!


Edit: Nice to see that you not only found my profile, but you also found the edit button! So what if I'm at the whopping age of fourteen? Dirk and the other Admins see that I'm mature enough to be a staff member, and help them run the site.

What does physical age matter, when mental age is superior?

By the way, I'm still waiting for proof of all these emails you are getting. How are all the staff and I supposed to react when you're being so incooperative with us? I thought you were all-for making ST a better place, but now, you're not... How is that meant to work?

[dev 47]

Date: 5/31/2005 1:26:33 PM
Author: Rude Boy

Date: 5/31/2005 1:18:03 PM Author: fosterk

Date: 5/31/2005 12:31:19 PM Author: Rude Boy

Do you see that little E-mail address in my signature, that says:: RudeBoyMenuDividerPack@yahoo.com

So what you really mean is you've had 330+ people email you to sort out and organise their plugins, which is something completely different than 330 people supporting and backing you, yes? That's just what you're signature says... I don't doubt that you've had 330+ emails from people asking you to fix their plugins folder, but what I do doubt is that you've had 330+ emails from people at your back. I've seen, ooh, maybe five people backing you here. How about one of your famous 'quote everything's' of these emails, then maybe people would believe you, and want to act. How are we supposed to help these (supposedly) 330+ members, if we don't know who they are?

WHOOOoooaaa... (Cool...) 'Cocked and Loaded, you are... and at the 'whopping' age of 14...'

Ya know... This is

[rybolton 135]

Well at least you picked the right name Rude Boy...

 

I'm coming in from the sidelines here.  I haven't been following this at all but it seems your panties are in a wad about something and I've come to give you some good news.  If you don't like the way the site is administered you may leave the site.  Isn't that wonderful?  You're free to go elsewhere and there's nothing we can do about it.  As much of a loss this would be for our community I'm sure we can figure out a way to survive but *sniff* it'll be tough.

 

If you can't figure it out, this is your cue to go.  The music is playing the fat lady is clearing her throat and you're one act play has come to an end.  I don't want to have to kick you off the stage, I feel it would be best if you would just take leave and be done but if you feel the need to continue on this path you'll be escorted off and we'll be finished with it.

 

From what I understand this all started with you not wanting to be told what to do by one of the administrators of simtropolis.  Too bad.  All of the admins of simtropolis are the authority here and any one of us can tell you what is allowed or not allowed on this site.  You don't have any say in the matter case closed.  If you continue on your little tirade I'll have no choice but to exterminate your account.  You've been fairly warned and informed.  End of discussion.

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https://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=64121

[fosterk 4]

Again, you're avoiding the question. Why won't you answer Dev and I? Is it because I'm too young to be seen as a legitimate person to you?

Is it so much to ask for an answer to a simple question? Stop straying off the topic, and answer my question. That's all I ask.

[rybolton 135]

Date: 5/31/2005 2:36:28 PM Author: Rude Boy

https://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=64121

quote>

 

And your point is?

[dev 47]

Date: 5/31/2005 2:51:02 PM
Author: rybolton

Date: 5/31/2005 2:36:28 PM Author: Rude Boy

https://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=64121

quote>

And your point is?

quote>

My guess is that he is being fakely oblivious to FosterK and my posts by posting something totally off topic to distract us children. Anyways rude boy, I am still awaiting my answer, as is FosterK. Get to typing.

[Superstar 69]

I may not have a whole speech written down here but I do have my opinions about this whole thing.
I've been watching the thread since it started for the past few days and must say that as for being an adult you sure act as a kid. 14 year old or 30 it makes no difference. Ok, maybe the 30 year old will have more experience in life but that doesn't mean the 14 is no good and more than that, he could be way better and much more mature not like someone else...hint...hint...

I believe your approach to this matter is a little drastic and over done and perhaps childish.
I can tell you now that I know that Skigeek and MrCinatit who may not be my closest Simtropolis friends are great good hearted people and friends to me in any case and any way. You say and we see that a bunch of people may be behind you on this matter but still in any case you are way over doing it by this whole business. I truly feel like you are starting some huge absolutely not nesercary war. If you feel you didn't get along with some people well stay away from them or perhaps from the site. After all whats the point of being part of something if you are there just to cause a mess and a riot?

So please be a man which you say you are and take and obey what site staff tell you wether you like it or not or you can always take the other road and walk away, it is all in your hand

[Djohaal 121]

Umm, about fox, I talked enough to him to know he voluntarially left BSC due to some internal and personal hostilities, I can't speak much on his name, but that's it...
I also, curiously, happen to be 14 as of the current date, and will be until december. Does that makes me worse than you in some aspect?

Those 330 E-mails would love to pop up at my inbox, so why don't you forward them for me?

And if you are unable to sustain an argument for this long, I (not related to staff) ask you to please post something like I give up since this thread is getting a little too long, space-eating and useless

*sensors commander pops up*
Admiral we have detected an critical ammount of oxymorons from Rude Boy... one more and this place will sink upon itself

EDIT: Oooooh! Anyone noticed there's no age information in his profile?

[Kevin 101]

Rudeboy, the only possible reason I can see for your continued pressing of this issue is not that you continue to truly stand by your stance, but that you are so caught up in this whole thing that it would seem wrong to just concede. I can tell you right now none of us would hold you below where we already hold you if you were to give up this matter immediatley.

If indeed you still believe in what you originally stood for, then I beg you to reveal who your supporters are, or at least provide undisputable evidence that you have as many as you claim to have. You must then show sufficient evidence of the alleged bullying, including individual cases. If you cannot do this, then your stance is unsubstantiated, and your cause is lost. Which, seeing as how I disagree with it, wouldn't be such a bad thing.

But, what do I know, I am a mere 16 year old...

[+Guest]

Date: 5/31/2005 2:17:05 PM Author: rybolton

End of discussion.

[halo_lover 1]

WHat can I say, I told you you wouldn't win.

[+Guest]

Date: 5/31/2005 5:58:05 PM Author: halo_lover

 

WHat can I say, I told you you wouldn't win.

 

[Cjah 15]

I'm a supporter plain and simple....

I never even downloaded Rude Boys Pack or Divider...Only because I'm ignorant and can't use it....

 

Look I may be some punk kid to some of you but I stand on the side of justice....

 

Truth can win if we see more supporters like myslef rise up to the occation...

 

Just post the e-mails and then the fear will fade and the tide will all come to shore...

 

I'm not saying I don't like it here...I'm saying it can be improved....

[Dr. Neitchskrimfrauwnmoya 7]

Okay listen to this Rude Boy :


This website is FREE!!!!!!11

Completly FREE!!!!1


A lot of awsome people are dedicating most of their FREE times just to get this website to run properly (and I said properly, I didn't say perfectly, we are not robots, everyone do mistakes and may express biased opinions from times to times).


So you come here where a lot of great people are voluntarily giving their times and effort and do the best they can truly do to make this website one of the most friendliest community I know of on the Internet. Then you come here and piss off get mad (I'm trying the best I can to stay civilised) every admins, mods and a lot of other members just like me because of futile reasons.


You know why I'm all that MAD about you Rude Boy? I'll give you an exemple. It's because it's exactly like if I was a homeless person and went to a place where people voluntarily give FREE meals to people who don't have money. Then I would complaint about how bad the food is, that it's too spicey, that the waiting is too long to get my meal, etc. etc. It's the SAME exact thing here, the same thing. That's why I can't stand all this. Dude! they all do this for FREE!!!!11!!11oneone. And the first thing you do is complaint about MINOR and EXCEPTIONAL cases that happened from times to times.


You seem to only look at the worst and generalize it when it's 98,9% better than this.

WHAT'S YOUR GOAL????! I don't understand.

Do you want all the admins and mods to come personnaly meet you and bow to your great superior mind or what?! I've read half of the thread and stopped because I couldn't stand it. It loooks like you refuse to listen and that whatever will happen, whatever will be said or done, you will continue to complaint.


Have you ever stepped outside of the ST community? Have you ever come to other forums and communities? Just do a quick visit to Ebaumsworld forums or Something Awful forums, then you'll understand why I said ST is one of the most friendliest community I know of on the Internet.


I think it's the first time I actually participate in a argument on Internet. Usually I just read the posts and get amused. But this time I just couldn't take anymore of suck a childish attitude. I've also highlighted the key words because you seem to have troubles to listen and read people.


In my case, I'll continue to enjoy ST just like I did when I fist discover it back in July and I'll try to avoid such individuals like you.

That's all I wanted to say, don't expect me to post here or in similar threads ever again (I hope).

BTW sorry, my English is teh bad when I'm angry



Also, I want to personnally thanks all the ST staff for their awsome work here. On over 70,000 members and 10,000 active members, there will always be a minority of people unhappy, it's normal, ST is just like a mini society, so it reflects some real world issues.

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