PS3, Xbox 360 or Revolution?

[udriveitmissionsrock 2]

Well, I was going to upload a link to my Gamespy article, but NO you can't do that unless you pay for your Yahoo.  Because the thing is four pages, I will not post it here.  If you wan't a copy, then PM me.

I didn't say that Sony was getting out of the console market any time soon.  They will make the PS3 for a while.  But, unless they changed their minds and didn't tell anybody, it will happen.  Earlier this year, Sony fired its CEO and replaced him with an American.  That may not seem like much to everybody, that is huge to Sony.  I might be wrong on this, but I think that he is only the second American CEO that Sony has ever had.  Also, in the June 2005 edition of Wired magazine, it says on page 147 that J Allard, the Xbox's creator, was having lunch one day when he received a text message that said that Kutagari, the creator of the PlayStation and the preeminent figure in console gaming, has been demoted from his position as head of Sony's Game Business Group.

 

So why would Sony get an American CEO (regardless of what anyone may think, everyone knows that they picked him because he was American) and demote the father of their baby, the PlayStation?  They know that in the US, the Xbox is gaining momentum.  And, in critical Japan, the Xbox 360 could start to make some serious headway.  Yeah, the 360 has a long way to go, but business competition is like non-violent combat; and anyone will tell you that you don't let your enemies start to rise in power before you try to crush them.

 

TeKKeN, you may not like space shooters, but for what its worth, Halo was the best-selling Xbox title for 35 straight months.  That would make it the best-selling game until Halo 2 came out.  VERY FEW games ever have the privilege of being the best-selling games on their respective platforms until their sequel hits the shelves.  I seriously doubt that the mass public or the gaming magazines agree with your assessment that Halo was BS.  Area 51, another space shooter game has an ad out, and in the ad, they quote a statement that I think was made by Electronic Gamer Monthly.  They say that Area 51 could be your next Halo.  And even if Bungie hasn't made that many games, they still are highly respected in the industry for their story lines.  The wallets of Americans voted and they thought that Halo was a awesome game.  For what its worth, you don't like Halo; and I don't like button-smashing Tekken.  A lot of people have criticized me for not liking Tekken and Mario, but, I don't care.

 

As a final note, I said in my first post that Microsoft could force Nintendo to lose money on the Revolution.  Well, my brother saw an article on Yahoo; and in the article it said that the PS3 could sell for less than the PS2 did, and that Microsoft was prepared to sell the 360 for $99.  They were interviewing a guy from Nintendo, and after saying this to him, the Nintendo rep had a look of horror on his face.  Nintendo has long been known in the industry as the little kids console, and I heard that they were trying to crack that mold with the GC.  But they used the 8cm discs, the little controller, and the diminutive size of the GC to end up embracing that mold.  Where I live, the only people that play on the GC in the  game stores is the little kids (ages 10 and under).  A lot of them are relatively good gamers, but what do they know about Mario?  Nothing.  Hence, Nintendo has a good reason to pee in their pants right now.  Especially since their are rumors about the PS3 not launching in Japan before everywhere else.  The rumor mill has it that Sony is either going to launch the PS3 in the US first, or they are going to go global at once.  Nintendo is expected to launch the Revolution in the US first, then Japan, and finally in Europe in 2007.  With this upcoming console war about to happen, there has been talk that Nintendo should drop out of the console market and just make software like Sony is planning to do.  In other words, Microsoft's throw scads of money at the market until the leaders keel over and die philosophy is working.  And with Nintendo bemoaning the fact that they don't have any games like GTA or DOA, their fate is sealed.  (BTW, if your reading this Equinox, there is a new version of the DOA: Extreme Beach Volleyball coming out).

 

With that said, I would love to pit Samus and Master Chief in a five-round deathmatch.  The final score of that would be Samus=0 MC=5.  I don't know who exactly Kratos is, but I am sure that Master Chief would kick his butt the exact same way.

 

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[TeKKeNForever606 0]

Well, I'm not going to argue games, that's all a matter of opinion and we all know what opinions are like...Kutagari was not demoted, he was simply passed over for the CEO position and he is currently head of Sony's gaming division. Rumors, hearsay, and whatever you may read in articles about Sony leaving the gaming industry are simply rumors, because with dominant market share in place, no company will simply leave a sector. Profitibility will always dominate any decisions and no one can predict the kind of profits the PS3 will make but you can bet that if Sony continues to make money (software, hardware, and liscensing), they will continue to manufacture and support the Playstation format. Halo this, and Halo that, sure, it's a good game, but is that the only exclusive that Xbox fans have to argue with? Sure, it's a high selling title, but so was Sony's Getaway:Black Monday and we all know how horrible that was. Even The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was a high selling title and it was not enough to save the Nintendo 64. Exclusive titles will become a thing of the past and I think the formula Namco used for 2002's Soul Calibur II and EA's The Urbz in 2004, versions featuring exclusive features for specific consoles will dominate. Sure, the Xbox 360 may attract hardcore and super enthusiast gamers with features like Xbox Live, microtransactions, and other features, but it's well known that the consumers who purchase the majority gaming hardware and software are casual gamers, the kind of people who also read books, watch TV, and go to movies and do not dedicate their leisure time to simply playing games. I am that kind of consumer and during the current console phase, the Playstation 2 has provided better titles in a larger library. Sure, Jade Empire was a great game, but it's difficulty and complexity turn off many casual gamers. But look at Namco's Katamari Damacy, it's easy gameplay, simplistic controls, and innovative mechanics have made it a staple for casual gamers, male and female alike. And speaking of Namco, where is the Japanese support for the Xbox (and the upcoming 360?) Microsoft can talk all they want, but until we see Japanese titles other than those made by Tecmo, who is going to believe them? (512K of RAM is all anyone will ever need!). Sure, Xbox has Halo, but they don't have Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, God of War, and so on...And finally, let's talk fighting games. It is not possible to defend DOA against a series like Tekken. Sure bouncing boobs and multiple levels may attract some but the fighting mechanics are mediocre at best. You may call Tekken a 'button-masher' but the control layout is a button for each limb, basically, it's been that way sine 1994 and in fact it's quite complex and satisfying for those who understand the timing and mechanics. And then we have Soul Calibur III, a series many praised as the ultimate multi-platform fighter but Namco pulled the plug on everyone else, because they know that for worldwide sales success they only need to tap into the fighting game console of choice, the Playstation 2. Does this show great Japanese support for the Microsoft platform, when one of the largest publishers out of Japan supports you and suddenly decides to drop the sequel as an exclusive for your competition? Sure, Xbox has, in my opinion, the best FPS to hit shelves in a long while exclusive to it's system (Doom 3), but that decision was only made due to the technical shortcomings of the PS2, if you think Quake 4 and other iD games will be exclusive to Xbox 360 you're crazy, because publishers are about the money, and in this next round of consoles, if the cost to develop for all three platforms is well within reason, expect to see less exclusives.

[EAGCE 2]

I don't believe any of this crap. NO WAY Sony or Microsoft will sell their consoles for so little money. You should still post a link even if we can't read it without paying.

[udriveitmissionsrock 2]

Yes, Kutagari was demoted, and he was not overlooked for promo.

 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=kutagari+demoted

 

That is the link to a google search about kutagari being demoted.  With two forum sites having something about it, and Wired magazine saying the same thing; it's safe to say that Kutagari was demoted.

 

Date: 6/9/2005 3:46:13 PM Author: EAGCE I don't believe any of this crap.  NO WAY Sony or Microsoft will sell their consoles for so little money.  You should still post a link even if we can't read it without paying.

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I would post a link if I had actually been the one that read the article.  Like a said before, my brother read it, but he couldn't find it on MY Yahoo anymore, and Google turned up way too many matches to sift through.  You don't know how badly I wanted to read that.  I was also stunned at the idea of the 360 selling for $99.  I asked my brother again and he said that the article said that MS had made arrangements to be able to sell the thing for $99, specifically because MS wanted to take on Nintendo in a price war.  After the searching that some more, I would have to agree with you that my brother seriously misread something.

 

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[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

Microsoft could sell the 360 for $99. They'd be eating a lot of money with each purchase, like they are with the XBox, but they have such deep pockets that they could afford to be taking a loss on each unit for a while. And the thought of forcing Nintendo out of the competition would be a good incentive.

[Captain_Heath 18]

There is no way Microsoft is going to sell a console with $376 in hardware for $99. Maybe they'll drop the price down a few years after release, but no one in their right mind would sell it for that cheap. It is pretty much set that they'll sell it for $300. Read this article for more info.

[Darth Horhe 0]

I really think that the next console generation won't be that much big of a deal, I think we'll get disapointed...  eventhought I know I'll get the Xbox 360 once it comes out around here.

[The_Dalai_Llama 15]

Date: 6/10/2005 11:03:08 AM Author: Darth Horhe I really think that the next console generation won't be that much big of a deal, I think we'll get disapointed...  eventhought I know I'll get the Xbox 360 once it comes out around here.

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The problem is that the quality of the graphic isn't as dramatic as it was in the past.  The only way the consoles will separate each other is in the gaming franchises and other innovations like wireless gaming, online play, and backwards compatibility.  Graphics will mean less and less with each passing generation, in my humble opinion.

As for pricing, I doubt any system will start selling a such a low price.  The Xbox and PS3 will sell at around $300 with the Revolution at around $200 or $250.

[sc4frk 0]

I think I will go with the PS3! It has the most games, and the best graphics. My opinion!

[EAGCE 2]

Date: 6/11/2005 4:27:33 PM
Author: sc4frk
I think I will go with the PS3! It has the most games, and the best graphics. My opinion!

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PS3 doesn't have the most! Revolution does! You can play NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, and of course, Revolution games!

FACT!

Well actually they are all tied at 0 right now.

[hummer0328 6]

Who really cares that the PS3 and Revolution can play thousands of old titles. Out of those thausands of titles, how many of them were actually worth anything? There are tons of old games that you have never heard of before and for good reason. The only thing I care about playing are the several hundred games that are actually good!

[Compromise 1]

Why do I think this thread is turning into a stormy argument? Personley I will stick to running games througth my PC so I won't be buying any of them.

[hummer0328 6]

According to an article I read on gamespot, Nintendo has no plans for the Revolution to support and form of high definition. In my opinion, Nintendo is going down hill. This combined with reports that the Revolution will only be about 3 times more powerful than the Gamecube proves Nintendo is slowly dying. Yeah sure it's small. But thats because it really shouldn't be considered a next-gen console. Nintendo is really making some stupid business moves that will doom them a fate similar to Sega. Unless Nintendo has some HUGE suprises they aren't telling us about, they aren't even competitors in the next generation. Like for example: maybe the Revolution doesn't need HD support because it doesn't need a TV. Maybe it comes with a holographic display for true 3d gaming! But somehow I really doubt this!

[udriveitmissionsrock 2]

Date: 6/14/2005 12:36:08 AM Author: hummer0328 According to an article I read on gamespot, Nintendo has no plans for the Revolution to support and form of high definition.  In my opinion, Nintendo is going down hill.  This combined with reports that the Revolution will only be about 3 times more powerful than the Gamecube proves Nintendo is slowly dying.  Yeah sure it's small.  But thats because it really shouldn't be considered a next-gen console.  Nintendo is really making some stupid business moves that will doom them a fate similar to Sega.  Unless Nintendo has some HUGE suprises they aren't telling us about, they aren't even competitors in the next generation.  Like for example: maybe the Revolution doesn't need HD support because it doesn't need a TV.  Maybe it comes with a holographic display for true 3d gaming!  But somehow I really doubt this!

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DITTO!

 

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[The boy formerly known as Evil Muzz 27]

Date: 6/9/2005 12:41:18 PM Author: udriveitmissionsrock

With that said, I would love to pit Samus and Master Chief in a five-round deathmatch.  The final score of that would be Samus=0 MC=5.  I don't know who exactly Kratos is, but I am sure that Master Chief would kick his butt the exact same way.

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This happens just seconds before Link showed up...

[EAGCE 2]

The report of Revolution only being 3 times more powerful than GameCube was false. NO ONE knows its specs besides Nintendo. And they haven't released anything about it.

The thing about them not going HD might not be a great move, but it wont really matter. The games will still be great. And that is all that matters. If all you care about is having the most realistic looking cars on your street racing simulation game, then Nintendo is not for you. They have fun games.

[hummer0328 6]

I'm not trying to say I don't like Nintendo. I am just saying from a business standpoint Nintendo is making some very bad choices that if continued will cause thier fall. This is really to bad, because like you said, they make some really fun games! I am the proud owner of a gamecube!

The reason there are reports of a not so powerful revolution is because: (1) Nintendo didn't do nearly as well on the gamecube financially so they don't have all the money to invest in next-gen chips like the Meag Giants of Sony and Microsoft. (2) People feel Nintendo hasn't released thier system specs yet because if it isn't very powerful. If this is true, releasing the specs would be extremely stupid. Instead, wait till the hype has died down from Sony and Microsoft.

[b007 0]

Well I think that....

 

*voice drowned by fanboys*

[Compromise 1]

Date: 6/14/2005 3:23:16 PM Author: b007

*voice drowned by fanboys*

 

Same here.

 

Well we will see in the end by who makes the most profits.

[EAGCE 2]

Date: 6/14/2005 3:23:16 PM
Author: b007

Well I think that....

*voice drowned by fanboys*

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You dont even know what a fanboy is. If you are not going to say anything important then you should just stay out of it.

[Griff 0]

 I'm going for the Revolution & PS3

[flappie 0]

if i have the money for them i'l try to buy them all.
first the ps3 from SONY!

is the revolution made from the same ugly plastic as the Gamecube because then i wil by the revolution last.

[udriveitmissionsrock 2]

The rumors about the Revolution only being three times as powerful as the GameCube may not have any official merit, but unofficially, it is almost guaranteed.  Like hummer said, they didn't make enough money off of the GC to be able to afford the latest and greatest in chip design.  I have a friend who has a friend that had a GC.  He had Super Smash Brothers Melee and he played it all the time.  In fact, he played it SO much that his mom threw the GC out of a second-story window in their house.  After he got the money for a new console--he went out and bought and Xbox.  This kid sang Nintendo's praises for years, and suddenly, he switched sides.  He now loves his Xbox, and he said that he wasn't sure why he loved his GC so much.  So much for fanboy loyalty.

Nintendo has been on a downward spiral ever since the original PS hit the shelves.  No offense intended, but it is funny to see how the Nintendo lovers always talk about how the graphics aren't important--even though the wallets of the rest of the console buyers vote exactly the opposite way.  Even Nintendo doesn't think that way.  They know that the graphics are important to attract buyers.  Why would they put so much effort into the new games.  Super Smash Brothers has this flower that shoots flames, and it has killer graphics for those flames.  In fact, [:0]*one of my few complements for Nintendo*[:0] those flames look better than any set of flames that I have ever seen in a console game.

 

One other point that helps to prove that Nintendo is failing.  It is a known fact among people that have studied Japanese culture that loyalty to things like the company you work for is a time honored value.  Yet Nintendo has had lots of people voluntarily leave the company since the release of the PS.  The same thing happened to Mazda.  You may see a lot of Mazda ads, but do you see many Mazda's on the road?  So it will be with Nintendo.

 

udriveitmissionsrock signing out

[hummer0328 6]

Read this interesting article from Gamespot:

Retail PlayStation 3 more potent than E3 demo?

Japanese site says Sony