CAM

[bbfan02 23]

Well, I stumbled upon the CAM on sc4devotion. Should i download it? Whats the risks?

Thanks,
-bbfan02-

[quert 10]

Well what is CAM?

[bbfan02 23]

-__- The CAM is "The Colossus Addon Modd" It changes the limits of the skyscrapers and mostly buildings overall. It lets you have larger and taller skyscrapers. Here:

https://www.sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=1008

[patriots_1228 51]

bbfan-Im not a CAMexpert, you'll have to wait until ripplejet gets here to get a full answer. I dont suggest downloading CAM, and i dont suggest you dont download it. I know very little about it and have never tried it, so my opinion is useless. All I know is that it adds more growth stages to the game, and to fully use it to its potential, you will need to download all the CAMpatible buildings. If you are aiming for realism, not seas of skyscrapers and large populations, Its probably not for you. If you are trying to get as many skyscrapers as possible, a superhuge population, or are just wanting a new challenge from the game, im guessing it for you. But then again, i know very little about it, so you should wait for ripplejet.

[bbfan02 23]

Do you know when he/she will be on?

[vester_DK 477]

I would suggest that you check out the Cam - Colosus Addon Mod forum

[bbfan02 23]

Well isnt there a thread or something here at simtropolis where you can find any help or ask questions?

[masochist 111]

You could try this thread, and it might shed some light on CAM, but it'll also point you to SC4D.  I'd really suggest going over there to read up on CAM.

Also...if you're registered to the LEX, look for the CAM Manual, and read that.  That will give you all you need to know about the CAM (and there's a lot to know...that's a huge manual!).

[mistershnerples 0]

there's a two page thread resulting from my inquiry into CAM as well. ripplejet explained a lot in this thread.

https://www.simtropolis.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=91770&enterthread=y

hope that helps!

[bbfan02 23]

Thanks everyone! I'll take your suggestions.

[Shingure 56]

Ive counted the dependencies. And honestly Im upset...Over 300MB of Dependencies from just a rough counting. and then ontop of that there are over 70 of them.

[patriots_1228 51]

ssfsx-settle down. thats extremely violent.....BSC makes these things for free, so you really have no right to complain. They've spent countless hours working on there BATs, testing, modding, etc. And here you are saying you want to kill them because you have to download a few dependencies.

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: ssfsx17

quoted post moved by Mr. C.

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Do not mask swears, and do not threaten people.

And heavens forbid people have to spend five minutes looking for required files. Use it or don't. Is there really a point to bawling our eyes out because a large modular project requires several support files?

[drevilshenchman 4]

while ssfsx17 approached his point i the wrong manner, his point is still valid. There are too many dependencies to really get the full use out of CAM. I feel that no matter how long I searched, I would never get them all. On the other hand, the CAM is still very new and I'm sure the BSC and ripplejet will slowly get the CAM into a few large files. The CAM truly is an awesome tool, albeit a raw one, and it has as much potential to expand this game that the NAM does.

[Bluebeard 0]

Follow the bouncing ball.....

     If you don't like it then don't download it.Real simple to understand ain't it.

[sebes 3]

There are not soo many dependencies for the CAM it self at all. Only if you want stage 8-15 buildings appearing in your CAM-cities, then, and only then, you need the models for the zillion lots that many BSC members spent weeks on making - for free - for your pleasure. Needless to say that if you don't want stage 8-15 buildings in your game, you don't have to bother about downloading the CAM either.

If you want a CAM-city with stage 8-15 buidligns in your city without doing downloading, it's also possible: just redo your plugin folder yourself!

Anyhow, don't blame the BSC for giving you this pleasure for free!

[RippleJet 36]

Originally posted by: bbfan02 Do you know when he/she will be on?quote>

He is here now.

Thank you vester_DK, masochist and mistershnerples for pointing people to other threads providing some answers. The main place to get answers (quickly) is still the CAM board. If you're waiting for an answer here, I will be visiting Simtropolis maybe once a day, usually in the evening European time. And often I will only be pointing to the CAM board where most answers can already be found.

Originally posted by: Shingure Ive counted the dependencies. And honestly Im upset...Over 300MB of Dependencies from just a rough counting. and then ontop of that there are over 70 of them.quote>

 

Shinguire, I've already once replied to you in the thread pointed to by mistershnerples and I'm going to give you and ssfsx17 the same answer right here:

The CAM itself is a 1 MB download and does not have a single dependency. If you are satisfied with playing with only Maxis in-game buildings, you can still do so.

I don't think I am the only one being slightly disappointed with how the demand simulation of Rush Hour worked in connection with custom content buildings made by the Maxis Plugin Manager. In order to build huge metropolises you would almost certainly have to cheat, by using demand ordinances, crime relieving ordinances, unrealistic garbage incinerators, and by plopping the largest office complexes which wouldn't grow.

I've always wanted to play without cheating. I've always wanted the skyscrapers I've downloaded to fit well with the in-game skyscrapers. I've always wanted to be able to grow huge towers, like the Empire State Building, but not with an occupancy of just 6,000. I wanted to see towers with 20,000 workers appear. I've always been annoyed with those garbage polluting buildings I've had to fix myself in order to get a reasonable development.

The CAM extends the stages and demand ranges in such a way that you are able to grow bigger buildings than before, if that is what you desire. At the same time, your cities will spread out more than with RH, before taller buildings will start to appear. It also makes industrial buildings develop through stages, quite the opposite to the case with Rush Hour.

When changing the central demand simulators of the game as much as the CAM does, it is inevitable that (especially) existing stage 8 buildings do not fit well into the new stages. So, in connection with the development of the CAM, lotters and modders at BSC have undertaken to provide a wide selection of well-behaving custom content buildings that are in line with Maxis in-game buildings, but not having the errors inflicted by Maxis Plugin Manager.

Very few of these re-modded buildings are made by BSC, they include beautyful creations by batters like Superstar, DuskTrooper, Eburress, ILL Tonkso, ks_JPN, SOMY, Cobb, Cerulean, Bixel, Paulvmontfort, Dmscopio, Glenni, etc. etc. Most of these buildings are indeed available on the STEX as stage 8 buildings, while several others have been available at various Japanese sites.

I'm truly sorry if you are upset. On behalf of all creators mentioned above I have to apologize. Never would I have imagined that correcting errors in existing custom content (stemming from Maxis' Plugin Manager) and making them CAMpatible would upset anyone.

If there's 300 MB of CAMpatible buildings to download now, don't think that we will be stopping there. We will continue to provide custom content for all 15 stages. They will be available if you want them, but you will never have to download them all.

You must have felt extremely upset over the years while downloading gigabytes of custom content already. And if that is your feeling, please don't tell the creators that. It won't make them any happier.

If you do not want to download the re-modded versions of these buildings, I suggest waiting till Wouanagaine's "X Tool" is available so that you can go through your entire plugins folder and change the values yourself. Otherwise, I recommend forgetting about the CAM and continue playing with Rush Hour.

Finally, if you enjoy plopping all your offices, I would also not consider the CAM. The CAM is foremost and all a city simulator, not a city builder.

[bbfan02 23]

Thanks everyone, I decided to not install the CAM. I would of if there wouldn't be like 70 dependancies.

[Bluebeard 0]

There is something to be said about bbfan comments but it has been said over and over plus free speech around these parts isn't a good idea unless your a staff member or a friend of a staff member.

[Meg 368]

This whole dependency issue has been beaten to death from a variety of angles; we don't need to re-hash it.  A good overview can be found here:  The Dependency Debate.

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: Bluebeard There is something to be said about bbfan comments but it has been said over and over plus free speech around these parts isn't a good idea unless your a staff member or a friend of a staff member.quote>

He's right you know. I will come to your house and beat you with your own limbs if you try. True story. ( )

[patriots_1228 51]

bbfan-theres no dependencies for the CAM, like ripplejet said.....the people who are saying "OMG Therz LIK 300 GB oF DEPENDCIES!!! ZOINKS!!!!" are uniformed.

[dolphin66 5]

I have not yet had the time to play the game with CAM installed yet but I did take the time to download each and every download needed. It took me all of 30 minutes to download them all. Most of them I already had so it wasn't that complicated. Now...organizing my plugin folder for the CAM...well....that may take the rest of the year to do...

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Yes, do note that this is not the best source of information about the CAM.  The package is at SC4D's Lex, and everyone needing to be informed about it should go there.

Enough is enough!  Locked.