Three Dead In Kansas City Mall Shooting

[Easy Bakes 253]

Sigh

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/29/national/main2739561.shtml

[Micah 16]

Just a normal day in America...

[SpecialEddie 3]

Originally posted by: Micah Just a normal day in America... quote>

 

Sad but true.

[Poetic 0]

What is with people these days? All of these shootings everywhere - it's ridiculous.

[nycsc4 5,250]

This is horrible and my heart goes out to all of those people. I am from St. Louis but I was actually in KCMO and saw the cops on their way there. "A normal day in America"? Come on, we do have a lot of mass shootings in this country and it is horrible but not all of the US is like this. Supposedly I live in the "most dangerous city in the US" yet we have never had a school shooting, mall shooting, or any other mass shootings in our Metro Area and City Center. Believe it or not this country is safer than many other countries. Granted we are also more dangerous than some as well, but when you blantly attack my country it offends me. So please keep those comments out of here, this is for offering your condolences to the families and friends of those poor victims. Keep it that way.

God Bless America and the families of those poor people.

[spa 968]

Nycsc4 is right that the US isn't as dangerous as events like this make it seem, but it's also true that American society seems to have a serious problem with gun violence and mass shootings that doesn't exist on the same scale elsewhere in the developed world. That isn't a slam on the US it's an unfortunate reality. Not acknowledging the problem doesn't help solve anything.

[_MostlyHarmless 17]

@ nycsc4: This is a horrible event and my heart does go out to those people. But open your eyes and stop being naive. The last decade has been plagued with school shootings and serial killings. You cannot just shut your eyes and make it go away.

I live in the US too, but I admit we are seriously messed up here, often I am ashamed of my country...I really felt it when I went to Europe and the Philippines.

[DFire870 2]

At first glance it seems like we have a lot of shooting. Yes, it's true, but very rarely do they make it on national or international news. With the media broadcasting all of this, it seems like there's a lot of shootings going on recently.

[Micah 16]

nycsc4, I'm American. It's just my opinion that this is a normal day in America because shootings occur everyday somewhere in this country. That's a fact. If you've been offended by my comment, I'm sorry, but you must realize that that's the reality of our country in the 21st century.

[ajay_law 1]

Wow. I am glad I live in Australia. Guns aren't even for sale, only if you have a permit! Something like this would be unheard of in my part of the world. I think the American government should STOP SELLING GUNS to people unless they have a good reason, like hunting rabbits!

[Constantina 5]

Now that's just rude (i.e. the shooting). We need gun licensing.

[jvlm.123 0]

Two words:

GUN CONTROL

It's as simple as that; amend the US Constitution if you have to, it's not a good excuse to justify thousands of people dead every year.

[hym 358]

Originally posted by: ajay_law Wow. I am glad I live in Australia. Guns aren't even for sale, only if you have a permit! Something like this would be unheard of in my part of the world. I think the American government should STOP SELLING GUNS to people unless they have a good reason, like hunting rabbits!quote>

I'm quoting this from reprints of the US Constitution, specifically, the Second Amendment:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.quote>

It's not the government that is selling the guns to Americans, it's fellow Americans who own gun shops that are selling the guns.  Amendment II puts serious restrictions on the government's ability to regulate guns.

[Une_ame 8]

After living in Paris for a pretty long time, I'm now in DC.

There's a lot of violence in France, yet they never saw such a mess in any schools (remember the little Amich girls ? and Virginia Tech), malls or streets (almost  a dead/day in East DC).

The answer of the authorities ? The Constitution is most important than those lives !!!

Too sad

[Micah 16]

Wow. I am glad I live in Australia. Guns aren't even for sale, only if you have a permit! Something like this would be unheard of in my part of the world. I think the American government should STOP SELLING GUNS to people unless they have a good reason, like hunting rabbits! quote>

Well, if guns are taken away, then the drug traffickers will have the weapons... not to mention the gangs.

In my opinion: Guns aren't the problem. It's society.

[Krio 624]

Seahawkfan gone mad.

[rekrab 0]

Originally posted by: Une_ame After living in Paris for a pretty long time, I'm now in DC.

There's a lot of violence in France, yet they never saw such a mess in any schools (remember the little Amich girls ? and Virginia Tech), malls or streets (almost  a dead/day in East DC).

The answer of the authorities ? The Constitution is most important than those lives !!!

Too sadquote>

 

France never saw such a mess in the streets, huh?  What about the riots in 2005? US isn't the only messed up country people...

[MrFingers 0]

Originally posted by: northsider1983

I live in the US too, but I admit we are seriously messed up here, often I am ashamed of my country...I really felt it when I went to Europe and the Philippines.quote>

Then you clearly don't understand your country.  I'm half american, and half english, and over the years I've heard alot of america bashing whilst im in england, but I can tell you this;  90% of people who criticise america

- don't understand capitalism

- are hideously hypocritical

- are just plain wrong

- don't understand american values

- spend more time concentrating on america's problems than their own

- for some reason expect america to be perfect, but don't hold themselves to the same standards

- can't accept a country would look out for its own interests and citizens

- criticise america if it does something, criticise america if it doesn't

- are generally resentful

the list goes on.  admittedly, about 10% of the things I hear are legitimate points, but my god, if I let everything I heard about america get to me, I would not only be ashamed of it, but I would be seriously confused as well.  I'd say, the vast majority of complaints I hear from europeans stem from the fact that they don't understand capitalism.  And the vast majority of the rest is because they don't understand american values.

Don't be ashamed of America.  It is the best country in the world in many respects.

[Une_ame 8]

Rekrab, don't read only parts of my Reply. Thanks.

When I write "There's a lot of violence in France...."I was just talking about that and about the last riots in the "Gare du Nord" station. I use the word "mess" in the same way that Nothsider1983 ("..we are seriously messed up here..."), meaning mass shooting.

Do you know how many people die during those events in 2005 (for 3 weeks) and last time in the station ? None.

You know why ? They have No Gun !!

[rekrab 0]

Originally posted by: Une_ame Rekrab, don't read only parts of my Reply. Thanks.

When I write "There's a lot of violence in France...."I was just talking about that and about the last riots in the "Gare du Nord" station. I use the word "mess" in the same way that Nothsider1983 ("..we are seriously messed up here..."), meaning mass shooting.

Do you know how many people die during those events in 2005 (for 3 weeks) and last time in the station ? None.

You know why ? They have No Gun !!
quote>

 

No, just massive amount of property destroyed and burnt to the ground, much better...lets ban matches and lighters too...

The point is that everyone is so quick to act like US is so much worse crime-wise than other countries, thats all I was saying, sorry if I misunderstood your post, but the general idea is still valid.

And as far as the gun laws go, there are  WAY more illegal guns involved in murders here than legal ones, so changing the laws won't make a difference, the guns will be just as easy to obtain, if not easier, because there will be NO background check at all, at least they do some checking now.  Not sure why people have a hard time understanding this.  

As far as the mass shootings, not to play it lightly, but stats show more kids are likely to die riding on a bicycle than getting shot in a college or mall in the states.  This stuff doesn't happen all the time....we just get the copycats because the news blows it up and gives these jack@sses the notority that they starve for.

[sEAhAwk fAn121 0]

I live in Kansas City and this is sad i find that mall very creepy when i go there but i dont go there often! Kansas City has had worse crimes than this... im suprised this made it on Simtropolis! as i said we have had wayyy worse things... this shooting compared to those is an everyday thing sadly. i am luck to like in a neighborhhod where stuff like this does not happen!

thats my view...

[Une_ame 8]

I don't wanna go to far from the original subject but making a comparison beetween guns makes to kills peoples and lighters that have been used to burn cars (cars = kids ?). I can only disagree :-(

You cannot stop people from turning crazy or/and violent, maybe it's because of the society, maybe not.

I know something, it is possible to limit their actions, just make it harder to find guns.

Why could it be possible almost everywhere (in developped country, at least) but in the USA ? Don't read my post as a critic for the whole US way of living and think that it is possible to do better on that subject.

[nycsc4 5,250]

I just want to clairify a few things. I do realize the dangerous aspects of this country. northsider1983: I believe I said "granted we are more dangerous than other countries" but not as dangerous as some others. I understand that there are lots of these shootings and other types in this country, I hear about it on the news all the time. I just think that all these foreign people who comment here saying that America is just this horrible place to live because it is so dangerous need to lighten up. The US is safer than you think and people that don't even live in this country need to back off, because as a US Citizen for my entire life I can tell you personally that you have no idea what your talking about.

sEAhAwk fAn121: glad your ok, and my heart goes out to Kansas City.

[MrFingers 0]

yeah, anyone from london who can tell me with a straight face that they think it's a safe city will be slapped.

[Barbarossa 51]

Ok, I am jumping into this thread and I will likely regret it. However, because I see so many foreigners jumping in screaming Gun Control, I think we need to nip things in the bud.

First off, for the record, I am pro-2nd Amendment and then some. I believe that everyone has the right to defend themselves, and to arm themselves from aggression. I do not see why anyone would complain about the right to defend one's self and one's country. This just boggles the mind. There should never be any law that prevents me from protecting myself, either from aggressive foreign powers, or from my own government. Doesn't matter which one.

On the other side of things, I do not support BLANKET gun rights. As an American, living in a "free society", I see no reason for people to have the right to buy AK-47s, M-16s, rocket launchers, you name it. There is no justification for owning your own personal armory. Arguments such as" "I like huntin'" or "I'll kill me a terrorist, yee-haw" are poor excuses for owning weapons that should only belong to professionals (aka, the military). Seriously, I don't think anyone can make the argument that a submachine is necessary for anything, besides killing other human beings. If you need more than a rifle to kill a deer, then you are a pathetic hunter.

Barbarossa

[Micah 16]

Before this turns into a war between nations, I'll simply give a warning that the thread will be closed if it gets too wild (and you know what I meant...). I haven't seen anything too bad yet...

Nycsc4: I'll agree with you. America is safe in some aspects. When it comes to gang violence, America is probably one of the worst; but, when it comes to terrorism, we aren't nearly is bad as India or the Phillipines (not bad at all besides 9/11).  As for people "saying stuff" about America, you'll have to get used to it. It's been going on ever since the 50s (and probably before then with the Native Americans) and I doubt anything will change now.  But just to throw an interesting thought out there: If America is so bad, it makes me wonder how then this country has the largest amount of immigrants entering this country every year (in fact, doesn't America get more immigrants than all the other countries of the world combined? ).

Even for those saying that guns should be banned, keep in mind that it probably won't happen anytime soon. Just curious, why were guns banned in Europe?

Edited for errors.

[coolotter88 2]

guns don't kill people, people kill people. when you are presented with a gun, you have a decision to make, either you will use the gun to do evil, or you will use the gun to do good/not use it.

[nycsc4 5,250]

Micah I agree with you too, Gang Violence in this country is terrible. I am used to the fact of people ripping on this county, and when someone from a foreign country starts bashing our country I just shrug it off and say just another idiot from "incert country here". But when innocent people die and all someone can think to say is GUN CONTROL, or a foreigner says just another day in America (I am not attacking your previous post, just an example) it buggs the hell out of me because they really have no idea what it is like to live in one of the greatest countries on this plannet. Not to mention it is very offensive to the people that are going through this tradgey personally. These people really have no idea how safe it actually is here. Another thing I have noticed, when another country is in need why does everyone ask the Americans to go in and do the work and then as soon as we go in to help them we get criticized? Everyone asks for our help and then they change their minds and say how horrible we are. GROW UP

[Easy Bakes 253]

Can i ask a question?

Whats the difference if one nut with a gun shoots 
4 people then takes his own life in Kansas City USA
or some nut with a bomb straped to himself gets on a
bus/train in Londen? or Paris? or Beriut?
and blows up 4 people?

you cant predict who or when someone will snap and decide it time to become famous.

[Une_ame 8]

Since it seems that I'm one of the Stranger here, I 've got the feeling that I must try to answer to some of the previous posts.

First of all, it is not bashing the US if you write that the good answer to stop those mass shooting is to stop the access to the guns. It 's just an evidence (you cannot kill 30 peoples with a knife in few minutes before the Police came ! Needless to talk about the lighter). I know what it fells when foreigners that know nothing about reality bash your country, I'm French, if you see what I mean...

I don't think this is the good place to talk about terrorism and immigration (even if there is a lot to say about that).

Finnaly, to answer Micah then Easy Bakes:

Q : "Just curious, why were guns banned in Europe"

A : Because peoples in Europe are the same than people in the USA ! I remember the last time a school was attack in France in a suburbs of Paris (1995, 1996 ? I don't remember the exact year), the guy was saying that he has a bomb straped to himself and was keeping a full classroom of little kids (same kind of guy than the one in Virginia Tech). After the cops kill him, we realize that he had actually nothing one him, no bomb, no guns. That's the big difference and no kids were hurt.

Q: "Whats the difference if one nut with a gun shoots

4 people then takes his own life in Kansas City USA

or some nut with a bomb straped to himself gets on a

bus/train in Londen? or Paris ?"

A: None, for the victims. That's why guns must be banned.