New WTC Complex Tower Designs Unveiled

[manman99 2]

Irfox- very, VERY well said, I just dont like the Red Sox, im a Yankees fan, back on topic.

Yoman- Yes some people really dont have a sense of architecture, but thats okay MrFingers, I on the other hand know my architecture well. ( not to brag of course)

                             Manman99                 

[MrFingers 0]

Lol, I actually do know a fair bit about architecture. Being a Physics major, a mechanical engineer for a year and a year long intern at an architecture firm does educate you somewhat on buildings. I just want something absolutely huge, the manhattan middle finger to the muslim extremists.  Make it a feat of engineering.  Actually I have an idea of the design in my head, lemme see if i can find a way to show it to you....

[Meg 368]

We don't need to go there.

[MrFingers 0]

Please stay on topic - MM

I can't find my camera to take a picture of what I've drawn, but in due course I'll find it.

[lrfox 2]

JWUC- Thanks, I agree on Boston City Hall, horrid building in my opinion. I also think that you're right, and we can talk all we want, but time really will be the only way to tell. As of now, i'm happy with what is in the plans. Everyone else, thanks for the kind words.

[KingTitan 6]

Please stay on topic - MM

[Jasoncw 11,949]

Please stay on topic - MM

[MrFingers 0]

Please stay on topic - MM

[manman99 2]

Please stay on topic - MM

But everyone, we all need to get beck on topic.

                               Manman99               

[Micah 16]

I suggest everyone get back on topic about the new WTC design, or this thread will be closed.

[organicsabre 1]

Originally posted by: JDRCRASH So they still haven't started the first floor?!

Man thats dissapointing.quote>

You need to realise that there is more to a building than what you see on the ground.

sky scrapers have a vast mass of foundations sometimes these can be over 100m deep and take months to pile then any basements will need to be constructed and waterproofed properly and all major services into the building will have to be dug and placed in, this would include a large sewer connection.  All these things take alot of time and seeing floors built at 1  every 2 days or so, its because that is easy compared to what had to be done below ground.

[JDRCRASH 53]

I know, I know.......foundations for a highrise are importent but you need to realize that over 4 years have passed since the last steel beam of the WTC was hauled away.  And what do we see?

A ramp and subway rail......thats it.

[MrFingers 0]

yeah especially considering the empire state building was built in something like a year.... in 1930s!!!

[ILL Tonkso 1,239]

With Modern saftey procedures it takes around 3 years to build and fit out a skyscraper so dont expect it to come along in an instant.

Edit: Also, i believe the old designs were awfull, allthough they were part of the skyline i really disliked them.  Im a fan of blue glass hi rise (and personally i feel that anything above 70 floors is too tall) allthough NYC can handle the skyline dent. But the freedom tower is blue glass

[MrFingers 0]

tonkso it's really the difference between government involvement or not. everything they touch they ruin. everything.

[Micah 16]

I believe this building is being built by capitalists from around the world. I see no government involvement here.

[MrFingers 0]

dude are u kidding me, they've got the whole NJ and NY government involved plus the port authority. its a mess.

[manman99 2]

mrfingers: they have them invovled because they are the ones that own the lot!!  Its the same as it was when they were buiding the WTC, they had everybody invovled, because they are the owners of the lot and buildings.  

Illtonkso: I could really disagree more with saying that a building over 70 stories is to tall , I see that that is your opinion, but in my view the bigger the better.

o0o0 and the Empire State Building was built only in a year is because  for 1, it was a race for the tallest, 2 the design made it very easy to build.  The steel gurters were lighter than other steel beams they used before.  
Today buildings take a while because WE know that a building cant just be plopped here like the Empire State Building, nowadays technology has gotten far more advanced and the way they build with the concrete core, well lets just say that that is a new way of building buildings, PLUS this building is going to be the safest and most advanced building in the world, so you must take your time with this project..  Thats all I really have to say........................... today, just wait till the next day

                                Manman99                    

[MrFingers 0]

That maybe, but technology and materials have also facilitated better building methods, tools, equipment and materials - without a doubt. That should more than make up for any complexity. The fact is, governments are monuments of waste.

[Micah 16]

Originally posted by: MrFingers dude are u kidding me, they've got the whole NJ and NY government involved plus the port authority. its a mess.quote>

 

Ok, good. I thought you were implying one of those pre-9/11 conspiracy theories.

So is this truly the final design? I don't see why we don't make it the tallest building in the world!

Edit: Yeah, sure, we may not know the size of Dubai's building, but let's make it so tall that it would be hard to pass that height for a pretty long time.

[JDRCRASH 53]

@manman99: Actually i heard that New 7 World Trade Center is the safest in the world.

@MrFingers:  True, but with those breakthoughs come new challenges and dangers, which may be why it takes so long to make a high-rise in the 21st century.

@Micah:  the Burj Dubai will be 2,650 ft tall

It would take a building the size of the WTC site itself to compete with Burj Dubai.

[manman99 2]

it is........................ at the moment, but when the Freedom Tower will be finished, that building will be the safest in the world.

                             Manman99                     

[st louis dude 6]

It's been 5 long years,they really need to thing up something quick!

[ILL Tonkso 1,239]

Takes time

[MrFingers 0]

apparently they are just beginning now and deadlines have been set. thats 5 years of quibbling.

[organicsabre 1]

Remember it went to an international design competition, the winners design was ended up being thrown out, a new design was done (thats 1 year already).  These days Health and Safety, beurocracy etc. has to be got passed, then theres the workforce to employ and all the specialists not forgettin that competition entries are only what the building looks like and a basis of structure not full working drawings it can be imediately built from

.  Full working drawings would have to be procured from architects, structural engineers, civil engineers, utility engineers, mechanical and environmental consultants, health and safety consultants etc etc.  all in all for a building of that size its a very time consuming operation, especially as it involves as you say an underground station etc, then you have material order lead in times, steel has to be fabricated for the foundations, mass concrete has to be poured frames have to be manufactured, cables pipes etc.

For a specialist building i.e. a skyscraper these things are not bought "off shelf" but have to be designed manufactured specially for it which takes time.  I am a design proffessional and I know that people do not realise how much has to go into a building design, procurement and construction wise before you see any results above ground.

I hope the above gives you a tiny insight into the mass of work that has to go on behind scenes before a building is even started.

[MrFingers 0]

Well yes, work has actually been done. But those 5 years can be overwhelming accounted for by arguments between silverstein, the PA, the city gov, the NJ state gov and the NY state gov. Any new yorker will tell you that every week there is the same story of indecision and interference.

[ILL Tonkso 1,239]

Dont forget feasablity studies, design and development, prototyping, proposal, approval meetings, public consultation groundwork. And of course, many were not yet prepared to just build on the mass graveyard that was ground zero in an instant.

[MrFingers 0]

thats not five years. your final point is extremely debatable and new yorkers are known for battling through bad times. same with londoners actually.

[manman99 2]

Mr Fingers- yes thats quite true New Yorkers are the toughest of the tough, no doubt about that, but some people around the country are still traumatized, mostly NY, NJ and Connecticut, we felt it the most, and stop speaking for New York because everyone in that city has their own opinions and what not.  

But to me 5 years is a good enough amount of time for the projest to be started,  MrFingers your making this sound that they should have built new buildings the day after it happened.  These things take time, especially because of the impact its going to leave on New Yorkers.  I mean Im not against you ,but Im not with you either.

                                  Manman99