City Life Forum

[GMT 389]

I try to keep it short:

Looking through the forums, I found some threads on City Life, and now I've just discovered the first City Life CJ here in the CJ section.

Now i'm asking myself what about seperation City Life from the rest of the stuff, just like the seperation of the sims from the SC4 section.

Ok, I know that City Life has nothing to do with SC, but since the amount of City Life related threads here is rising and it looks like CL is sorta accepted thoughout most of the ST members, I think it would be easier for all if City Life would have it's own section.

so what you think about?

[Compromise 1]

City Life is very different from SimCity and not a sequel to it but I wouldn't say the game is totally unrelated. Although the game does have some social aspects with the different classes of people feature it is still a city building game.

I personally see no problem with a City Life section. It is unlikely to affect the SimCity aspect of this website and as you say there are already a lot of threads on this around the site. I doubt a City Life forum will popular enough to be high volume, high bandwidth compared to the volume and bandwidth use of the rest of the site. It is even possible to block out forums with FuseTalk so even people who can't bear the site of City Life forums here should be okay.

Overall thets remember that this is dirk's site and dirk has taken a great interest in City Life as a gap filler between SimCity 4 and 5. Looking at the home page will definitely confirm this.

[sim1234 62]

I vote "Yes" for the addition of a City Life forum but I clicked the wrong option in the poll and it came out as No  I think City Life would be great to fill in the gap between SC4 and SC5 (if SC5 ever comes out) so I am in favour of a City Life forum.

[Simbourgeois 139]

I still don't have the game itself, but I voted "yes" just because I see a great potential in it  

Simbourgeois

Mayor of Belleville

[railrod7 2]

I voted yes only because there is a 'Sim 2" forum.  Equality for the SimLife game. . . .    btw after I waited the two hours for the demo to download, I installed it like regular.  Then I clicked to play it and it popped up and error message mentioning something about a componnet not being found: D3D9.DLL   I unistalled, reinstalled again but nothing....  Any thoughts....

railrod7

[Battlecat 14]

While I will probably never play Citylife since the demo has not impressed me terribly and I'm very fond of SC4, I think it would be a good idea to consider a seperate area for Citylife.  If there is room here for Sims, there certainly is room for Citylife. 

[Micah 16]

I say City Life should be on here because people will come to both and see the diversity. Although, on the other hand, this isn't a City Life website, this is for Sims.

[sparkythepenguin 90]

Sure, why not have a City Life forum? Although, let's not get too carried away with it. Something along the lines of the Sims 2 discussions here, a place to talk about all the City Life stuff, but nothing that enroaches too much into the general Sim City focus. There's probably a City Life fan site out there that is developing into the City Life equivalent to ST.

There really are City Life CJ's? I must take a look at that.

[Micah 16]

^ No, only one for the time being and it is only from a demo so it won't last long.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Because of all the action on City Life, I think it needs a life of its own.  I'd rather not have its stuff mixed in with the SC stuff, because it will become confusing.  I voted yes.

[spa 968]

One interesting issue that I'm not sure anyone has considered yet is custom content. City Life is suppose to allow for custom content, even if it'll be more limited than Sim City where you can just jam more and more into your plugin folder. What happens if someone decides they want to upload a City Life creation on the exchange? Is it something we embrace or do we shove City Life content to whatever Simtropolis equivalent develops around that game? I suspect the latter but it might be an issue that comes up. Along with whether or not City Life gets a forum it could be just another challenge in how Simtropolis deals with a non-Maxis city builder entering the fray.

[sloppet 3]

I said it once, I will say it the second time... this is SIMtropolis, Sim - means this forums will remain only simcity 4 (and maybe a bit of sims 2) related forums...

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: railrod7

I voted yes only because there is a 'Sim 2" forum.  Equality for the SimLife game. . . .   quote>

 

Originally posted by: Battlecat

If there is room here for Sims, there certainly is room for Citylife. quote>

 

I know what I would like to see as a part of the future for the site,  but I am not too impressed with the response toward The Sims forums so far.      They are poorly visited and commented on despite big contributions from veterans and regulars like Ralphaelninja, Mrbisonm, Lilbrownsuga5, Guinea, and Cheese91, just to name a few. 

[beebs 129]

I originally voted no, but I think I've changed my mind on that. If it picks up and becomes popular, then yes I think it should be due for a forum. However I don't think there should be a forum 'just in case', that would just be a waste of space.

[choco1 4]

I can see your point behind this idea.  But personally, I think that anything non sim doesn't belong on Simtropolis.  Simply becuase thats not the original intention of this site, and its not why most of the members are here!

I think thats the same reason the sims forums aren't very popular.  The reason most people join simtropolis is to discuss, or improve Simcity 4.  So I think implimenting any section not directly related to simcity or real life is probably not going to be very popular.  So for those reasons I would say not to have a City Life section.

On the other hand, I have to say I don't much like the idea of all this CIty LIfe stuff thrown into the Simcity forums.  And because it is also a city simulation game it might actually get enough attention to warrent its own forum.  ALthough I wouldn't give it an entire section like The Sims 2 section, but just one forum called "City life Related" or something.

So I think there are sides on each.  Cheers guys!

[spa 968]

Thinking about this some more, I'm not sure that using the Sims forum as a comparison for City Life is fair. The Sims really have nothing at all to do with city building. City Life does. It seems to me that there is more of a case for City Life to have a forum than there is for the Sims. All the Sims have in common with Sim City is the word Sim in front and the lame feature of being able to move them into your city.

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all your arguments are kinda good.

all those for a seperation and those against it.

And a CL part just in case is not what I had in mind, this would be of course a waste of bandwith.

But those topics that  are already and those who will come later on, I think, deserve an own part, no matter if this would keep the SC part "clean" of the CL or if make it easier to browse, that's just a matter of arguments.

and that CL has more in commom with SC than the sims is... not right, but not wrong either.

CL is a city builder more like SC, but the sims, if you want, could also be a city builder, in a more complicated way as the very old game Constructor was. But in fact, the sims have more in common with SC than just the "Sim" in their name

[golfbunny 7]

Though I cant stand the game, I believe it would still have a place here.

[Sir Gawain 1]

If they can add a Sims 2 forum, then why not City Life? City Life is more related to Sim City's genre than The Sims.

[Micah 16]

Wow, such powerful words, joesocwork. And yet, so true. It just seems like many of the threads are just continueing threads that don't truly add anything to the game... such as 'what are the best sims' websites' and etc.

[Joesocwork 4]

Thanks!  And another example I thought of this afternoon was SimMars.  The project has and continues to have talented BAT'ers, modders, and leaders since its inception.  However, the energy devoted to it comes and goes in cycles, usually RL related.  Very few people who don't make direct contributions ever post in these forums.

My position is that I'm basically for wherever Dirk's vision takes us.  But the question that we have to ask ourselves is to what extent will the Community show its support in where ever SimTropolis goes next?

[Kevin 101]

Originally posted by: Joesocwork But the question that we have to ask ourselves is to what extent will the Community show its support in where ever SimTropolis goes next?quote>

Where will Simtropolis go next? I'll grant that SC4 still has some life left in it, mostly thanks to this website, but without another version of Simcity on the horizon Simtropolis will inevitably die out... if it stays on its current track.

In order to extend Simtropolis's life, there has to be some sort of expansion so that the site encompasses more than just Simcity 4. I don't just mean the addition of new forums, but also an expanded STEX to allow users to create custom content for whatever game ST takes under its wing. I think that a major reason that the Sims forums remain inactive is the lack of support for the game on this site beyond its own forum catagory.

Dirk made a wise decision in naming this website Simtropolis, instead of Simcityopolis. It allows the site to expand to include other simulations. I do, however, believe that the type of simulation this site covers should be limited to simulations that deal with things that actually affect people's lives, such as Simcity (City Management), The Sims (Life Management), or City Life(Social Management). Games such as Flight Simulator should definately be excluded.

The rebuttal to this argument is not that this site doesn't have the resources to expand. With the newly upgraded system we can now handle a larger amount of members. As far as staff support goes... more members means more potential staffers to choose from. And, as far as donations to keep the site running smoothly goes... more members means more potential donors.

The rebuttal is that once ST expands to support more than just Simcity, there is no going back... even when SC5 is announced. If ST were to gain vast amounts of members as a result of the site's expansion, going back to Simtropolis's 'strictly Simcity' roots would alienate many members who came here only for the non-Simcity resources.

Its a tough decision, and it certainly requires a great deal of consideration, but I don't think we can just sit here with our fingers crossed, hoping for SC5 to be announced..

[Voar Tok 4]

I couldn't agree with that any more Cheese.

[bourneid 13]

I agree with you whole heartedly cheese bro. As I have been saying all along...I dont know if I will like this game..but if it turns out good..then why not have ST become the "it place" to go for custom content...WE have the talented moddersWe have the talented Bat'ers (sure that CL will have something simular) ANd most importantly, we have an very orginized community here...from site staff, to journalers, and so on..already working together like a well oiled machine. Bringing this well balenced crew tegether took 3 years...so attacking CL will be a walk in the park. extra credit points:  CL will give all of these elements something to keep us busy and most importanlty together for when SC5 rolls around...so that we will be ready to make it the full fledged game that the stex has made sc4 now.Cause remeber, a lot of the complaints and issues that have been raised about CL were the same ones being made about SC4 when it was released......it only went beyond that though the hard work and dedication of this community.

[dev 47]

No.

The Sims forums are unpopular and I think City Life forums could possibly have an equal fate.

But who knows...it might work...and City Life allows customization (I'm sure the developers studied the way the SimCity community has stuck together through mods, BATs, etc. and found that as a good idea)

Cheese brings up some good points.

It could work...but for now I voted no.

[PhilsCafe 8]

Yes, why not?

City Life hasn't been released yet but if it's successful and popular among Simtropolis members then it will probably be a good thing to have a CL section, otherwise the 'Gaming Talk' forum might be flooded with City Life threads. As Cheese89 said, there is room for more city simulation games. Who knows when or whether SC5 will be released.

About the Sims 2 forums: There is a small but loyal group of followers and the only reason it isn't as popular as the SC4 section is because of the vast amount of Sims 2 fan pages on the internet. Besides, it's only a discussion area without any downloadable stuff that would attract more members. The Sims Diaries and City Journals are closely related by the way.

[sloppet 3]

As Cheese89 said, there is room for more city simulation games.quote>

Yes, there is place, but theres Much More Place for them on other City Life forums... Not ST!!
SimCity (4) for life!

[Compromise 1]

Originally posted by: sloppet

As Cheese89 said, there is room for more city simulation games.quote>

Yes, there is place, but theres Much More Place for them on other City Life forums... Not ST!!

SimCity (4) for life!

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Yes that is true although a lot of people like the way ST is run and wouldn't like to have to go to other sites all the time to share there experience with City Life. Unless the staff use force City Life is going to be quite a discussed thing here at ST even if there is not a designated area for it. I think cheese89 makes a good argument.

[sloppet 3]

Where will Simtropolis go next? I'll grant that SC4 still has some life left in it, mostly thanks to this website, but without another version of Simcity on the horizon Simtropolis will inevitably die out... if it stays on its current track.quote>

Only the true SC4 players will be still visiting ST...

Yes that is true although a lot of people like the way ST is run and wouldn't like to have to go to other sites all the time to share there experience with City Life. quote>

Well... Some people already said about it, just look at TS2 forum ... 318 topics, and only a few people posting there... ST was mean to be an SC4 site, so let's keep it that way... This is my opinion... I would like to know what dirk thinks about the idea of adding to the forums some City Life (Sc4 imposter) section... If dirk says it's Ok, I will have to live with it, but if DIRK says "NO, no City Life here" that it will be a wise decision

ST will never Die!

[Compromise 1]

Originally posted by: sloppet  I would like to know what dirk thinks about the idea of adding to the forums some City Life (Sc4 imposter) section... If dirk says it's Ok, I will have to live with it, but if DIRK says "NO, no City Life here" that it will be a wise decision

quote>

 

I would as well although looking at the home page he seems to think that City Life would be a good gap filler between SimCity 4 and SimCity 5 so with the perception I got he's answer seems to be yes. 

Using the poll results I have also calculated that 78% of poll voters think there should be a City Life section here (not counting the few people who have changed there minds since voting which could push the results in excess of 80%) so the community opinion also seems to be yes.