Negative Experiences in School

[TheCrybKeeper 301]

Ho-hum, woe is me,

Celebrating negativity.

It happens at school,

From where does it come,

Perhaps an example of something from home.

Butt of the jokes, it lacks decorum,

By golly folks,

Lets post to a forum!

 

Sorry guys. I know it helps to have someone to air this negativity with.

Me? I never understood teen bullys and peer pressure, etc. I was always the guy getting beat up.

Not because I didn't want to stand up for myself either Gabetx.

It is a more complex thing than just fighting back.

I was beaten daily at home as well.

No-thank you for your un-consideration Gabetx.

 

EDIT: Godmodd5: I think you are just a wee bit confused there friend. I.Q.= intelligence quotient not knowledge quotient. Your IQ has nothing to do with your educational background, but has more to do with formulating thoughts. At the same time you may have struck on something else of note.

 

IQ tests are in my opinion flawed. Many of them actually do measure knowledge as opposed to intelligence.

 

M.E.N.S.A. accepts IQ's of 140 or higher. I have been invited to join after passing their pre-test, but my IQ is only 127, 130, 132, 136 and 137. Besides, I cannot afford another org. fee. I have taken 11 I.Q. tests so far. My first was in the 3rd grade and established I was a near genious. I got the 137 in the 3rd grade and ironically, my IQ appears to be dropping as I get older?? Many of the better IQ tests use analogies to confirm the amount of intelligence. There is no right or wrong answer with analogies.

100 to 120 could be considered avarage, but you may get many different measures from various tests, just like I did.

 

An example of an analogy would be: Baseball bat, is to baseball; as wagon wheel is to, ______________.

Anyone care to fill in the blank? remember, there are no wrong answers here.

 

[ardecila 125]

Wow, I actually feel pretty good about myself now.. j/k.

I think you got a point there abou the lack of morals. The problem with our democratic system is that we have no common religious, moral, or cultural tradition, and so it is very difficult for us to have the kind of morality and unity that allows us to be strong.

I don't like a world where we ban good books because they might be offensive to certain racial groups. I don't like a world where every single action of a schoolteacher, mayor, governor, etc, regardless of whether it's justified or not, has to be carefully weighed to avoid offending people.

In schools today, there are many problems, but I think that success is still possible for most students. We here in America have a very rigid definition of what 'success' means today (getting good grades, a college education, a wife/husband and 2 kids and a house in the burbs). Unfortunately, this cannot represent the majority of the country. Whatever happened to the old days, where people could be be successful not on how much education they had, but on how much initiative they had? There are plenty of stories about people buckling down and studying in the worst school environments (ghettoes, etc.) and coming out well. Most anyone who blames bad grades on a repressive school environment is not working very hard.

As fun as it sounds, I hate hearing things like Duke's desire to challenge useless authority. It's part of life, and you can't easily change it. You definitely can't change it by being defiant, because then people will lose all respect for you and you'll just strengthen the desire for strict control on the authority's part. In other words, people like him are the very reason that people try to exercise authority uselessly.

[sloppet 3]

Well, I have to say main;y in schools we don't have any problems ... if you beat up someone, you just are beaten up by someone else... easy

[ephorex_77 0]

Date: 2/21/2006 1:31:06 AM Author: ardecila Wow, I actually feel pretty good about myself now..  j/k. I think you got a point there abou the lack of morals.  The problem with our democratic system is that we have no common religious, moral, or cultural tradition, and so it is very difficult for us to have the kind of morality and unity that allows us to be strong. I don't like a world where we ban good books because they might be offensive to certain racial groups.  I don't like a world where every single action of a schoolteacher, mayor, governor, etc, regardless of whether it's justified or not, has to be carefully weighed to avoid offending people. In schools today, there are many problems, but I think that success is still possible for most students.  We here in America have a very rigid definition of what 'success' means today (getting good grades, a college education, a wife/husband and 2 kids and a house in the burbs).  Unfortunately, this cannot represent the majority of the country.  Whatever happened to the old days, where people could be be successful not on how much education they had, but on how much initiative they had?  There are plenty of stories about people buckling down and studying in the worst school environments (ghettoes, etc.) and coming out well.  Most anyone who blames bad grades on a repressive school environment is not working very hard. As fun as it sounds, I hate hearing things like Duke's desire to challenge useless authority.  It's part of life, and you can't easily change it.  You definitely can't change it by being defiant, because then people will lose all respect for you and you'll just strengthen the desire for strict control on the authority's part.  In other words, people like him are the very reason that people try to exercise authority uselessly.

X 1000000

 

Wow...that pretty much sums up my thoughts.

 

Don't blame authority and/or other people for your own failures and shortcomings. Don't be so politically correct for fear of offending people to the extent that nothing gets done or said that has to be done or said.

 

I really hate it how some people skip school, take drugs, bash any teachers within arm's length *ahem*, and then moan and groan when they turn out to become dropkicks and failures. It's all the school's fault!! Mr So N. So was too strict with me when I was young, so I hated school. Now look at me!! It's their fault!!!

 

The rejection of authority is also another sad (and rather obtuse) thing. Like it or not, in everone's life, there's going to be someone more powerful than you are, be it a parent(s), teacher, employer, minister etc. Whining and whingeing and rejecting their authority isn't going to make anything better.

 

Furthermore, have some morals and ethics!! Have some common religions, cultures and traditions that transcend petty squables.

 

Ardecelia, you hit the nail on the head.

[godmodd5 0]

I wrote a lot about the govenments role in the events going on in the teachers closet.

But i don't mess with the govenment  so I didn't post it.

There are things that are too sensitive to express on any forum I know many of these.

every country has secrets and canada is no difernet

This runs deep within the darkest rooms in ottawa and may never be revealed.

 

I'll tell u that the canada federal budget wasen't the only thing that was corrupted.

Child welfare also had corruption that hurt dozens of familys including mine.

This is someting i don't like to talk about and try to forget. it holds me back. 

 

It's hard not to beileve in cospiracy when one is caught in the middle

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Duke87 1,070]

godmodd5: I definitely agree with you that pubic schoos aren't the best of places for an inteligent kid to be. The problem is that there are almost never any gifted kids' programs in public schools, since they are one of the first things to cut when funding is decreased. A lot of people also want to have a diversity of abilities in the classroom, thinking it's good to have dumb, smart, and average kids all in the same class, since they learn from each other and the smart kids will hopefuly rub off some on the not-smart ones. It's an interesting idea in theory, but in reality, things don't work that way. Dumb kids hate smart kids. And smart kids often don't like deaing with dumb kids. By putting them toether, they don't end up helping each other at all. What's more, this forces teachers to teach to the middle, so that the dumb kids don't undertand most of it and the smart kids are bored the whole time. I was one of those smart kids that got bored all the time, especially in earlier elementary school. The big probem was that the experience taught me to expect things in life to be easy, and as soon as something came up that required some considerable effort, I got lazy and put it off or never did it. I don't know if public school does that to many smart kids, but I certainly am worse off in life because of it. Earlier this year (I'm a freshman in college now), for the first time in my life, I sat down to study for a test. I discovered that I had no clue what I was doing. I had no idea where to begin. I eneded up staring at a blank peice of paper for a couple of hours before giving up and going to bed. I didn't do that well on the test the next morning. My big problem now is that I've reached an age where it's become really hard to try to pick up basic skills. I've never needed to study before, so I never learned how. And now I finaly find myself needing to, and I'm too old to learn how properly.

[Voar Tok 4]

Date: 2/21/2006 9:38:01 AM Author: Duke87 godmodd5: I definitely agree with you that pubic schoos aren't the best of places for an inteligent kid to be. The problem is that there are almost never any gifted kids' programs in public schools, since they are one of the first things to cut when funding is decreased. A lot of people also want to have a diversity of abilities in the classroom, thinking it's good to have dumb, smart, and average kids all in the same class, since they learn from each other and the smart kids will hopefuly rub off some on the not-smart ones. It's an interesting idea in theory, but in reality, things don't work that way. Dumb kids hate smart kids. And smart kids often don't like deaing with dumb kids. By putting them toether, they don't end up helping each other at all. What's more, this forces teachers to teach to the middle, so that the dumb kids don't undertand most of it and the smart kids are bored the whole time. I was one of those smart kids that got bored all the time, especially in earlier elementary school. The big probem was that the experience taught me to expect things in life to be easy, and as soon as something came up that required some considerable effort, I got lazy and put it off or never did it. I don't know if public school does that to many smart kids, but I certainly am worse off in life because of it. Earlier this year (I'm a freshman in college now), for the first time in my life, I sat down to study for a test. I discovered that I had no clue what I was doing. I had no idea where to begin. I eneded up staring at a blank peice of paper for a couple of hours before giving up and going to bed. I didn't do that well on the test the next morning. My big problem now is that I've reached an age where it's become really hard to try to pick up basic skills. I've never needed to study before, so I never learned how. And now I finaly find myself needing to, and I'm too old to learn how properly.

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I couldn't agree with that more.  I personally have experience with that to a degree.  Not as bad as what you mentioned, but I know the feeling.

[justanothersim86 83]

Godmodd: Couldn't agree more. Fortunately by grade 8, they figured out that putting troublesome kids with smart, quiet kids was a failure.

Duke: I had a very similar experience. Just today I looked at a science sheet and couldn't do it. Why? Because in grade 7, we didn't learn the science we were supposed to thanks to kids who couldn't get it. Which is why I like high school. There are applied courses for kids who aren't doing well in that subject, and acedemic courses for kids who are doing well and want to go into University.

[Meg 368]

Date: 2/21/2006 9:38:01 AM Author: Duke87

. . . I don't know if public school does that to many smart kids, but I certainly am worse off in life because of it. Earlier this year (I'm a freshman in college now), for the first time in my life, I sat down to study for a test. I discovered that I had no clue what I was doing. I had no idea where to begin. I eneded up staring at a blank peice of paper for a couple of hours before giving up and going to bed. I didn't do that well on the test the next morning. My big problem now is that I've reached an age where it's become really hard to try to pick up basic skills. I've never needed to study before, so I never learned how. And now I finaly find myself needing to, and I'm too old to learn how properly.

 

I had a similar experience in elementary school.   My fifth grade teacher, for instance, gave up trying to keep me and this other kid busy and told us to do whatever we wanted, after we finished the extra credit bonus work, as long as we stayed quiet. 

 

I was fortunate to have some challenging classes in high school.  So I picked up some study skills then.   But I disagree with you, Duke, that you are too old to learn properly.   I don't believe that I am too old; certainly you aren't.

[your_adress_here 11]

Date: 2/21/2006 9:42:33 PM
Author: SkiGeek
I don't believe that I am too old; certainly you aren't.

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If she's not too old, I don't know who is!

[Dolfan348488 0]

I have never had any negitive experiences in school.. i guess cause im in the 'popular' crowd and such. People know better than to make fun of me.

As a matter of fact, i got into a fight today and beat up the only black kid that attends our school. Over 500 whites, and 1 black. He started it though, so it was self-defense.

**Disclaimer** ----- I am in no way racist, nor do i support racism and that was not the aim of this post. If it offends anyone, then just delete it.

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 2/21/2006 9:54:52 PM Author: Dolfan348488 I have never had any negitive experiences in school.. i guess cause im in the 'popular' crowd and such. People know better than to make fun of me. As a matter of fact, i got into a fight today and beat up the only black kid that attends our school. Over 500 whites, and 1 black. He started it though, so it was self-defense.

**Disclaimer** -----I am in no way racist, nor do i support racism and that was not the aim of this post. If it offends anyone, then just delete it.

Then why did you consider his race significant enough to mention?

[Dolfan348488 0]

Date: 2/21/2006 9:57:16 PM
Author: Joesocwork

Date: 2/21/2006 9:54:52 PM Author: Dolfan348488 I have never had any negitive experiences in school.. i guess cause im in the 'popular' crowd and such. People know better than to make fun of me. As a matter of fact, i got into a fight today and beat up the only black kid that attends our school. Over 500 whites, and 1 black. He started it though, so it was self-defense.

**Disclaimer** -----I am in no way racist, nor do i support racism and that was not the aim of this post. If it offends anyone, then just delete it.

Then why did you consider his race significant enough to mention?

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Cause it was part of the story... if it was a school full of blacks and 1 white kid... i would have mentioned it was a white kid. Its just a part of the story man....woooo, chill.

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 2/21/2006 10:11:22 PM Author: Dolfan348488

Date: 2/21/2006 9:57:16 PM Author: Joesocwork

Date: 2/21/2006 9:54:52 PM Author: Dolfan348488 I have never had any negitive experiences in school.. i guess cause im in the 'popular' crowd and such. People know better than to make fun of me. As a matter of fact, i got into a fight today and beat up the only black kid that attends our school. Over 500 whites, and 1 black. He started it though, so it was self-defense.

**Disclaimer** -----I am in no way racist, nor do i support racism and that was not the aim of this post. If it offends anyone, then just delete it.

Then why did you consider his race significant enough to mention?

quote> Cause it was part of the story... if it was a school full of blacks and 1 white kid... i would have mentioned it was a white kid. Its just a part of the story man....woooo, chill.

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That really didn't answer the question why race was significant to the story.

[TheCrybKeeper 301]

Joesocwork: That reminds me. I attempted a small experiment at work for a good while. actually it is now my habit.

 

While telling a co-worker about another co-workers experiences at work, I couldn't remember his name. so I said, you know; that one fellow with the brown eyes, afro and carries route 10? I kept trying to find something that would jog his memory of whom I was speaking of, but he couldn't place who I meant or was describing. Finally I gave up and said, you know, he is that Afican American fellow.  Then bang! He immediately knew who I meant. That fellow considered himself non-prejudice, but he could not visualize who I was describing, unless I pointed out he was darker complexion.

 

I started omitting the words black, Asian or African American, from my descriptive vocabulary and guess what? so far, no one has been able to identify with my descriptives, until I mention the most obvious ones: The Different racial descriptions.

 

Sad isn't it?

[Dolfan348488 0]

Date: 2/21/2006 11:21:04 PM
Author: frndofyaweh

Joesocwork: That reminds me. I attempted a small experiment at work for a good while. actually it is now my habit.

While telling a co-worker about another co-workers experiences at work, I couldn't remember his name. so I said, 'you know; that one fellow with the brown eyes, afro and carries route 10?' I kept trying to find something that would jog his memory of whom I was speaking of, but he couldn't place who I meant or was describing. Finally I gave up and said,' you know, he is that Afican American fellow.' Then bang! He immediately knew who I meant. That fellow considered himself non-prejudice, but he could not visualize who I was describing, unless I pointed out he was darker complexion.

I started omitting the words 'black', 'Asian' or 'African American', from my descriptive vocabulary and guess what? so far, no one has been able to identify with my descriptives, until I mention the most obvious ones: The Different racial descriptions.

Sad isn't it?

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Precisely the reason i said what i said. More so because its the way i described it to those at school who werent lucky enough to be in my lunch period. If i simply said Sean, pretty much no one would know who i was talking about, but if i said black kid, then bam, smack in the face.

[Praetorian Cohort 0]

While on the topic of race, the blacks at my school formed a club called the Black Student Union. So far, all they've done is read Black History facts on the news this month and campaign to ban Tom Sawyer, Huckelberry Finn, and To Kill a Mockingbird. Apparently, those books are offensive because they use the n-word, which they seem to be quite fond of.

[vidioman 21]

I bet I'm going to have a bad day at school tomorrow.......

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 2/22/2006 12:19:20 AM Author: Dolfan348488
If i simply said Sean, pretty much no one would know who i was talking about, but if i said 'black kid', then bam, smack in the face.

At your school they would know who you were talking about, for good or for bad.  However here at SimTropolis we still wouldn't and would there be even be a reason for it to matter?

 

This isn't personal, it is just something for any of us to think about.

[ephorex_77 0]

Date: 2/22/2006 12:25:33 AM Author: Praetorian Cohort While on the topic of race, the blacks at my school formed a club called the Black Student Union.  So far, all they've done is read Black History facts on the news this month and campaign to ban Tom Sawyer, Huckelberry Finn, and To Kill a Mockingbird.  Apparently, those books are offensive because they use 'the n-word', which they seem to be quite fond of.

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Guess that word is a nasty taboo over in the States (for obvious reasons). Here, when people use it (which is rare), no one bats an eyelid.

 

Ah well, just some interesting cultural differences between schools to think of.

[PhilsCafe 8]

They've banned 'To Kill a Mockingbird'? Have they even read it?

Over here, the 'n-word' is not a big issue either. But there is a national law against racism in public. So if someone used it, that person would be officially reported.

- Phil

[Dolfan348488 0]

Date: 2/22/2006 5:56:22 AM
Author: Joesocwork

Date: 2/22/2006 12:19:20 AM Author: Dolfan348488

If i simply said Sean, pretty much no one would know who i was talking about, but if i said 'black kid', then bam, smack in the face.

At your school they would know who you were talking about, for good or for bad. However here at SimTropolis we still wouldn't and would there be even be a reason for it to matter?

This isn't personal, it is just something for any of us to think about.

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And beyond the racial issue, it just adds detail to the story.

[RiverCocytus 0]

Was going to read, but I got to about the 70th post and my head started spinning.

I'm a devoutly relgious person, but that didn't happen until college (very unusual, actually) and I attribute that to the positive influence of Intervarsity Christian Fellowship.

MY school was fine until 4th grade. Something about the way public school is run just makes boys jerks by 4th grade. Maybe its not enough recess, too much sitting... dunno.

I think I was bullied, though I remember it more as me being unable to handle jerks. I was never small or short, but I have always had a problem with being oversensitive of others' opinions. So it was mostly I let them get me, rather than the other way around.

I got into a few fights, and I was also suspended from the 5th grade.

I had a few more fights in middle school, and ended my 7th grade in the public school equivalent of solitary confinement. I seem to remember it being called 'BIP'.. forget the acronym, but I remember what we said it stood for: Belair Institute of Prison

We didn't really move around, so I can't blame my torrential public school problems on displacement.

8th grade was looking good-- really... I got slightly better grades-- like A's and B's... and I had minimal problems, which means some arguments and other stuff, but mostly it was a breeze. I had some really good teachers, and some bad ones, but now as an adult I realise that teachers are people just like the rest of us and I empathize with them strongly. Really they have it worst... teaching the same thing, year after year, to students who are less and less prepared and/or interested.

I flunked out of the 9th grade. I just--- quit. The first week. I didn't want to be sardined into a WWII era junkheap, with a 5 period a day rotation cycle that I couldn't remember and no locker to put my things in. I got a lil bit of homeschooling, and went into a special program called Teen Diversion in the summer.

I was moved to a different school and enrolled in the 'CSP' - Classroom Support Program. It basically was me and 20 drug-addicted kids. They were of all kinds, too-- some meant really well, while others just wanted to get high. A few didn't really have enough brain cells left to really do school. So I spent at least 1 period a day and a busride to and from (well, going to I slept...) with a bunch of drug addicts, and some guys who were just rebellious. (Forgot to mention them )

There's really nothing odd about me, to be truthful, other than being singular.

After 10th grade I came to the realisation that life wouldn't get better unless I made it get better by taking responsibility and having a positive attitude. I still struggle with negative attitudes about many things, including work.

I attribute some of this to imprinting from my parents, but a lot of it was my fault (sadly, also the fault of the public school system.)

By 12th grade I had many friends, mainly because I decided that I didn't always have to be right.

College started kind of rough (bad grades the first two semesters) but improved rather quickly-- last 3 years I was Deans List/Academic Honors. I grad'ed last May with a 3.69 GPA, and Cum Laude.

I thought college was the worst waste of time in my life. But-- guys, 12-18 year olds-- don't listen to me! Its just buyers remorse.

Basically college-- you pay someone so you can work full time.

Or party full time. And then you really get nothing out of it.

Get connections! Learn deportment-- and then get a decent degree that could help you, and make sure you learn to be amicable and not to hold on to your opinions too tightly. Honestly, most of it you COULD learn in kindergarten.

But never assume that your college degree is a meal ticket. Enter college with the idea that you should be preparing for post-college, even if it is only in small ways.

Ugh. now I feel like I'm 40 (no offense to those of you who are =)

I would have rather been homeschooled.... but I didn't get that choice. Unfortunately, I have to take responsibility for the bad work ethic school instilled in me. But, oh well. We all have our struggles.

There's a book called 'The Underground History of American Education' by John Taylor Gatto. You might not agree with everything he claims (I didn't) but he takes a shotgun approach and hits enough points that almost anyone, religious, non-religious, liberal, conservative, whatever- can agree with.


Click this link, at any rate, if you want to read. It is free online.


It gave me huge perspective about my education... maybe it will help some of you young folks. Wish I read it before I was 20

Well, I'm still blessed, y'all. I hope you all are, too!

[Duke87 1,070]

frndofyaweh: It's not sad, it makes perfect sense. Someone's skin color is much more obvious and easy to remember than their eye color or their hair style.

ephorex_77: That word actually is more complex than being a taboo here. If someone that's black says it, no one blinks or is startled by it, it's normal, and it happens all the time. It's if someone that's white uses it that everyone screams racist! or what have you. If someone of neither of those twor races (asian, hsipanic, etc.) uses the word, it's neither offensive nor normal. They'd get looked at weird a bit, but wouldn't be labeled racist, since they too would fall into the colored catgegory. And there's also a big issue of context and how you use it. It's okay for even a white person to say the word if they're taking about it in a historivcal or educational manner, or if they're reading something someone else wrote. It is still, however, illegal to use that word on the radio or on TV (blame the FCC for that). No respectable newspaper or magazine will ever allow it's use, either, unless it's target audience is the black community and someone black wrote the article, then it's okay. As for the banning of books that use it, I've never come across it personally, but, then again, I live in a predominantly liberal part of the country. Still, it can get a bit awkward reading Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry in a sixth grade classrooom where a good portion of the kids are black. There were a couple of kids who had never heard the word before. Fortunately, no fights or arguments broke out over anything to do with it.

As a side note, I don't believe Eminem has ever used it in any of his songs. Interesting, eh?

[TheCrybKeeper 301]

Duke87: I know this is off-topic, but Eminem is a lyric genious. I am not real fond of his music, yet I have to admit; the lyrics are some of the most creative and thought prevoking, in the industry.

 

[The_Family_Guy 2]

A Black Student Union!? Is something wrong here, or is it just me?

I'm sorry, but when it comes to equality, especially in schools, forming a club based on race only reverses what America has worked so hard to achieve since the 18th century. Why don't I just go and campaign to ban Rolling Thunder, Here My Cry, or Their Eyes Were Watching God, because they sometimes slander white people? This is insane, and these people need to be ashamed, and seriously look at the goal of their club? Is it to stop racism, or promote Black Power? They have every right to form such a club, but the extent to which it teaches needs to be closely monitored.

 

Race, in my school, is not an issue, but we do have an Ebony Society. I don't see what the point of it is, because they do nothing but meet and talk about events that black people can attend.

 

People, black and white, or any other color, need to poke themselves in their mind's eye and blind them to hue, because I'm sick of racism, on both sides. 

 

Anyway, this weekend, in Orlando, there is going to be a neo-Nazi march through a predominantly black part of town. I'm not sure how this one is going to turn out, but I bet that it won't be too good. They better be glad I'm not the mayor, because I would kick them out so fast...I'm sick of the ACLU and their crack-pot schemes to make money...I'd drag them to the Supreme Court if I had to, and topple their free speech ideals, because there is no way on God's green earth that the framers intended for that amendment to be interpreted so liberally.

 

Double good grief.

 

 

[ephorex_77 0]

Date: 2/23/2006 7:17:05 PM Author: The_Family_Guy

A Black Student Union!? Is something wrong here, or is it just me?

I'm sorry, but when it comes to equality, especially in schools, forming a club based on race only reverses what America has worked so hard to achieve since the 18th century. Why don't I just go and campaign to ban Rolling Thunder, Here My Cry, or Their Eyes Were Watching God, because they sometimes slander white people? This is insane, and these people need to be ashamed, and seriously look at the goal of their club? Is it to stop racism, or promote Black Power? They have every right to form such a club, but the extent to which it teaches needs to be closely monitored.

Race, in my school, is not an issue, but we do have an Ebony Society. I don't see what the point of it is, because they do nothing but meet and talk about events that black people can attend.

People, black and white, or any other color, need to poke themselves in their mind's eye and blind them to hue, because I'm sick of racism, on both sides.

Anyway, this weekend, in Orlando, there is going to be a neo-Nazi march through a predominantly black part of town. I'm not sure how this one is going to turn out, but I bet that it won't be too good. They better be glad I'm not the mayor, because I would kick them out so fast...I'm sick of the ACLU and their crack-pot schemes to make money...I'd drag them to the Supreme Court if I had to, and topple their 'free speech' ideals, because there is no way on God's green earth that the framers intended for that amendment to be interpreted so liberally.

Double good grief.

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Black student unions eh???

 

And yes, I don't think that the founding fathers of your country wanted frivolous lawsuits over laughably pathetic accidents clogging up the courts when there are bigger cases to handle.

 

Free speech works both ways.

 

[brancra 1,207]

Black Student Unions...

 

In my school, it's called UMOJA and they've been around for maybe five years or so. Recently, they drew fire because the fair-skinned vice-president (there were four European-Americans in the club, which had about three dozen African-Americans from a school that's 94 percent European-American) accused the darker-skinned club members of using derogative terms and racist actions against fair-skinned students both in and out of the club, and resigned in protest. The club has taken such criticism because of this it is unlikely to be in student control much longer (that is, it will be heavily moderated,which they say is a violation of their rights).

 

We also had a Bible Club, a Gay-Straight Allaince, and a CARS club (Conservative And Republican Students).

-The Bible Club was forced to dismantle because of concerns relating to church in schools.

-The GSA was dismantled becuase taxpayers became angry over the idea of a gay club in the school, and it didn't help the club members bickered with each other about (embarassingly enough) sleeping with each other.

-CARS was cancelled because administrators were concerned about a partisan climate within the school, and the newspaper in the nearest city wrote a story about it, and then the different towns that comprise the school (three traditionally Democratic, three Republican) fought with each other in the district board meetings until the club was dismantled.

 

So, how do you guys feel about what just happened in Oregon? The fourteen-year old shooting his classmate?

[Cjah 15]

At my old school they had a Black Student Union.....

I hated that....

 

I remember most of the white senoirs wanted a White Union when I was in 9th grade...I didn't care anyway,but I was pissed when the principal said it couldn't be about white History.Only history's dealing with European matters and she said there couldn't be any mention of white anything....

 

This confused me aswell as pissed me off.For one if the problem is saying Black or White then why not change the Black Student Union to the African Student Union and then we could have an American Student Union,but no she said White people aren't American and ARE European....All I know is being from Europe doesn't mean anything aswell as being from Africa.....

 

Think about it....Who said Germans,French,Swedes,Irish and Hungarians and all of those are the same?

 

In fact isn't there proof that each of these peoples came from different parts of Europe and maybe even Asia....

 

The point is there should be NO RACE related clubs.....

 

Also Duke I agree...I never learned to study.....

 

I probably won't go to college,but I do plan on atleast leaving the country and returning to the land I have longed to return to,but have never been to....[thumb:]

[The_Family_Guy 2]

 

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