YF-23

[simoplis_mayor 3]

How many of you have heard or seen the new YF-23 BlackWiddo II? if you ask me its a really awesome plane i use it all the time in Ace Combat 5

 

i know the pic is kinda messed up thats how it was when i got it

 

  theres i have two other pics one in my sig and my avatar

[hummer0328 6]

Yeah, it was a cool plane. To bad it was beat by the plane in my sig!

[sloppet 3]

Well, it looks nice &...reeallly expensive...

[hummer0328 6]

I don't know about the YF-23, but the F/A-22 recently singlehandedly took out more than a dozen F-15's and F-16's before they even knew the F-22 was there. From what I've read the public is only aware of about 1/3 of it's technology. So the cost per plane is actually worth it.

[simoplis_mayor 3]

yes the F/A-22 RAPTOR is a great plane but i dont think it could take out this one

[hummer0328 6]

Hate to tell you but it already did. The F-22 beat out the YF-23 in the Air Force's ATF (Advanced Tactical Fighter) program in the mid 90's. Because of this the YF-23 will never be anything other than a prototype.

[rhino120 2]

Did the F-22 beat out the YF-23 based purely on performance?  Or was it a matter of economics and other factors also?  Don't know the answer to that one...can you provide any insight hummer?

[your_adress_here 11]

That's a nice plane! I especially like the one in your sig!

[Compromise 1]

Been myself I like to stick to commershial planes as you can see. I try to use a mixture of Boeing and Airbus and currentley I have the Airbus Corprate Jet.

[simoplis_mayor 3]

at the air museun in georgia a saw a few modles of planes called the YF-24,YF-25,YF-26,and the YF-27 no i dont think any of these planes aaccually going to be into service but if there are real they looked awesome

[Tolomar 5]

I always like the hurrican...watching a plne take off straight up is so kewl....but the mig-29  ( think it's the 29) so manuverable...and the Canadian Arrow....lost in time...crushed by the americans cuz at the time...it was better than anything they had....american hate when other have better toys

[your_adress_here 11]

Date: 1/21/2006 8:20:11 AM
Author: Tolomar
and the Canadian Arrow....lost in time...crushed by the americans cuz at the time...it was better than anything they had....american hate when other have better toys

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Yes that's a shame. If only we could have kept it...

[hummer0328 6]

Date: 1/21/2006 3:08:19 AM
Author: rhino120
Did the F-22 beat out the YF-23 based purely on performance? Or was it a matter of economics and other factors also? Don't know the answer to that one...can you provide any insight hummer?

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The F-22 won because of a number of factors. It had greater manuverability and had thrust vectoring (a feature not found on the YF-23). Thrust vectoring allows the pilot to pivot the engines up an down increasing manuverability. The lack of the YF-23's manuverability really showed itself at lower speeds. Other than that the YF-23 was just a tad bit faster (not much as they both used the same engines).

There were financial reasons also. The YF-23 (developed by Northrop/McDonnell Douglas) would have never met the Air Forces budget. The F-22 (developed by Lockeed) was within the allowed budget. If you know anything about Northrop/McDonnell Douglas you will know that they designed the B-2, by far the most expensive plane ever produced (they are billion $ planes!). Lockeeds answer to a stealth bomber was the F-117. It was just as good of a stealth bomber, but again was within budget. The point is that Northrop/McDonnell Douglas have a history of going way over budget while still producing the same results. Now if you know anything about the F-22 you will know that congress tried on several occasions to cut funding for it because they ignorantly thought the cost wasn't worth it and the F-15 was good enough. Would congress have succeeded if the YF-23 had won? Very well could be. This is another of the many reasons the F-22 was chosen as the final design.

[simoplis_mayor 3]

hey hummer have you heard of the YB-23 yet? its the one on the left. i read that its a join project beetween the brits and amercians

 

[Dupontfan24 0]

WOW, you know alot about this kind of stuff Hummer0328, but seeing as how your in the Airforce i can understand that. I like to read up about stuff like this and watch tv programs on it as well. I feel that I know alot about the military, but not as much a you! If you don't mind me asking what do you do in the airforce?

As for Congress trying to cut the buget of military programs, they should not be allowed to do this it should be done only by people at the pentagon who actully know what the hell these things do and why they need to be in the military, and not cut just because some bueracrat thinks it costs too much.  Do I even have to mention the Comanche project?

[simoplis_mayor 3]

oh and hummer i agree with you that the f-22 is better but i think that the yf-23 looks a bit better

[hummer0328 6]

Date: 1/21/2006 9:51:22 PM
Author: simoplis_mayor
oh and hummer i agree with you that the f-22 is better but i think that the yf-23 looks a bit better

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Well thats kind of universally agreed upon. I do love the looks of final production model of the F-22. It just looks so sleek. However, a final production model of the F-23 was never produced so all we have to look at is a crumby prototype.

[simoplis_mayor 3]

but what i want to know is why they dident put thrust vectoring on the yf-23? i mean if your makeing a advanced aircraft you think it would be on there woulden't you think?

[your_adress_here 11]

The americans have the F-22, but who has the YF-23?

[simoplis_mayor 3]

Date: 1/22/2006 7:59:39 AM Author: your_adress_here The americans have the F-22, but who has the YF-23?

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lol we have it and only us (us meaning amercians)