Ditched the game

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So I had preordered this game for some weeks now and I thought the online/server problems were surely not that bad.

 

Cue two hours later after the connection to the server failed and I still had not completed the tutorial despite my best efforts to get it over with. You can't even play the actual game without going through the tutorial and for some reason the server always failed when I went back to the first city of the tutorial.

 

But enough was enough, it only took me two hours to come to this conclusion; ditch the game. And now...

 

Maxis you actually had a decent simulator albeit for the small cities (plus lack of contiguous tiles and terraforming), why did you bend over backwards and let EA force you into creating an online only game?

 

EA, you spent how many tens of millions on advertising and supporting Maxis yet you had not the wisdom to ensure SC 2013 was a functional single player game!?!

 

I played the beta and the game amazed me yet is it now unplayable, as such I uninstalled the game after three hours when I realised I had no control whatsoever in sorting out these problems playing the game.

 

I have been a big fan of simcity -- I have lost months of my life playing SC4 -- but this game (SC 2013) has been packaged in the worst way possible. SC is not a multiplayer game and the multiplayer should have been entirely differentiated from a single player mode which is absent from this game. Ever since playing the beta I was looking forward to seeing higher density buildings, resource extraction and God knows what else which the beta had missing.

 

Thankfully I have a heavily modded SC4 to fall back onto and I recently modded SC4 precisely because of my fears about the online aspect of SC 2013 being entirely screwy.

 

To all you playing this game and putting up with crashing servers, lost cities, insane loading times and cursed with a lousy internet connection which will make things even worse. Uninstall the game and ask for a refund!

 

It is the only message Maxis and EA will understand even if it means the termination of the SC franchise because of this pariah. The tragedy is that this game is rather good (and that was just a beta I played) but it is -- for all intents and purposes -- inaccessible and unusable due to a rationale that defies belief...

 

So Maxis/EA here are two demands which I ask of you:

 

1. Develop a single player non-online mode ASAP!

2. Ones cities can be saved to a hard drive.

 

If you do that I will purchase SC 2013 again, but for now you're not having my money!

[Kleaver 9]

The online component seem to be the cause of many of the bad parts of this game. Reasons why I will not be buying it. The limited city size undoubtedly is related to the online component, since larger cities require larger servers. It also means the cities are never actually yours, they will always run on EA's servers. If there's a problem or they shut down the servers: your hard work is gone. Simcity 4 is still going strong after ten years. I don't see that happening to this title.

[Zukunftstraume 220]

As much as I agree with your post, and as much as I'm completely on your side, I can't help but feel like your demands (like all of us) will be fruitless. EA/Maxis has already made it effectively clear that I don't care about our suggestions, concerns, or demands. All they seem to care about is money, and unless their bread-winning routes are catastrophically disrupted, they won't even change their mentality. Either way, even with this failure of a launch, I doubt they'll still give us what we truly want.

[mastorofpuppetz 199]

I wish I never bought I I am not playing it and its not the online issues, it's the lack of space, lack of control, the tiny tile size is because they froced this online garbage and wasted resources simming ever sim, it's not the sims its a city builder. Hope EA sells maxis to someone who can do it justice.

[BSchneid 2]

wow i was gonna wait a few weeks until i got this game but looks like you guys saved me some money with your reviews and i thank you.

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As much as I agree with your post, and as much as I'm completely on your side, I can't help but feel like your demands (like all of us) will be fruitless. EA/Maxis has already made it effectively clear that I don't care about our suggestions, concerns, or demands. All they seem to care about is money, and unless their bread-winning routes are catastrophically disrupted, they won't even change their mentality. Either way, even with this failure of a launch, I doubt they'll still give us what we truly want.

 

Nah, I'm certain a single player mode will be issued so that EA/Maxis can extract some money from this rotten carcass. 

[Catchin22 299]

If you ditch this game you are MISSING OUT! It is, INCREDIBLE. I have to write a new full review on it but I have played for 24 hours now nearly straight. It is amazing and the online multiplayer is very fitting. I've been a harsh critic but they have my support now. If you're a fan of SimCity you should NOT miss out on this game!

[logintime 93]

If you ditch this game you are MISSING OUT! It is, INCREDIBLE. I have to write a new full review on it but I have played for 24 hours now nearly straight. It is amazing and the online multiplayer is very fitting. I've been a harsh critic but they have my support now. If you're a fan of SimCity you should NOT miss out on this game!

 

Not sure if serious...

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If you ditch this game you are MISSING OUT! It is, INCREDIBLE. I have to write a new full review on it but I have played for 24 hours now nearly straight. It is amazing and the online multiplayer is very fitting. I've been a harsh critic but they have my support now. If you're a fan of SimCity you should NOT miss out on this game!

 Yes! Amazing when it works! I know how amazing this game is (I tried the stripped down beta), that is why I am so DISAPPOINTED in having to deal with defunct servers for a game that should have been single player in the first place with OPTIONAL multiplayer. So no need to lord it over others!

[brianwcu 0]

Here is the thing, even without the online issues there are a number of flaws in this game that prevent me from purchasing it. I had pre-ordered it, played the beta, and thought it was fun for the most part, but I decided to cancel it on a hunch. Region play is broken, city size is laughable, design concepts deeply flawed and un-relistic (density tied to roads as one example), lacking features (transportation), day one DLC, no modding support, and then there is the always online drm issues.... this game had to me "wait" all over it.  It's unfortunate that those who did buy it are essentially paying to do the actual beta test of the game, things that should have been done and corrected before hand. Put it bluntly this game needed at least another 6 months of polish on it, but the share holders influence and EA couldn't be bothered otherwise.

 

At some point this will be a good game, the bugs will be fixed, the servers will stablize, the content will become available, but my recommendation would be to wait until there is some sort of "gold" or ultimate edition and modding support before purchasing.

[Catchin22 299]

I'm not trolling. I've been playing for the last 24 hours nearly STRAIGHT. I did go to sleep this morning for about 4 hours. I had a problem once after I woke up getting on, I had to keep going back into the game about 3 times, then it worked. While in the game I get pretty constant disconnects but that doesn't matter as long as it reconnects within the 20 or 30 minutes, whatever it is. Hasn't booted me since!

You guys seriously need to give them a break because this game is EPIC. I mean it, this IS the SC you've been waiting for. No joke, no trolling. Once you get in and play, especially with a friend or two you will see just how incredibly awesome it is.

In fact my power surged tonight and when I booted back up my sound was dead but I'm still playing... no sound. It's that good.

[Camlon 50]

I'm not trolling. I've been playing for the last 24 hours nearly STRAIGHT. I did go to sleep this morning for about 4 hours. I had a problem once after I woke up getting on, I had to keep going back into the game about 3 times, then it worked. While in the game I get pretty constant disconnects but that doesn't matter as long as it reconnects within the 20 or 30 minutes, whatever it is. Hasn't booted me since!

You guys seriously need to give them a break because this game is EPIC. I mean it, this IS the SC you've been waiting for. No joke, no trolling. Once you get in and play, especially with a friend or two you will see just how incredibly awesome it is.

In fact my power surged tonight and when I booted back up my sound was dead but I'm still playing... no sound. It's that good.

An epic game does not get 1.5 as userscore at metacritic. Even the official score has dropped down to 71. 

[jinger 3]

Me to, a MUST NOT BUY GAME!

[Catchin22 299]

I'm not trolling. I've been playing for the last 24 hours nearly STRAIGHT. I did go to sleep this morning for about 4 hours. I had a problem once after I woke up getting on, I had to keep going back into the game about 3 times, then it worked. While in the game I get pretty constant disconnects but that doesn't matter as long as it reconnects within the 20 or 30 minutes, whatever it is. Hasn't booted me since!

You guys seriously need to give them a break because this game is EPIC. I mean it, this IS the SC you've been waiting for. No joke, no trolling. Once you get in and play, especially with a friend or two you will see just how incredibly awesome it is.

In fact my power surged tonight and when I booted back up my sound was dead but I'm still playing... no sound. It's that good.

An epic game does not get 1.5 as userscore at metacritic. Even the official score has dropped down to 71. 

It's being rated on the DRM / Server issues, NOT the game play. It would be hard to believe that any hardcore SC fan would not enjoy the game as long as they can get over the small map sizes, which do not prevent it from being incredible.

[LexusInfernus 908]

Meh server issues are almost always a problem with games that have a big online component. For some reason companies never seem to be able to get it right at the start. And its not just EA. Remember the problems Half Life 2 had when it launched? You had to get Steam and the servers were overloaded. Terrible! But hey, who do you still hear saying that Half Life 2 was a terrible game because the launch went rather poorly. Right...no one, because they fixed it after a week or something, everyone then got a chance to play it, and the sheer awesomeness of the game itself made everyone forget about the launch problems. 

 

My advice, wait a week for EA to fix the server problems, try it again and then judge the game on the game, rather than a bad launch. And in the future, don't pre-order online games unless you absolutely must have those silly pre-order bonuses. 

[Camlon 50]

 

I'm not trolling. I've been playing for the last 24 hours nearly STRAIGHT. I did go to sleep this morning for about 4 hours. I had a problem once after I woke up getting on, I had to keep going back into the game about 3 times, then it worked. While in the game I get pretty constant disconnects but that doesn't matter as long as it reconnects within the 20 or 30 minutes, whatever it is. Hasn't booted me since!

You guys seriously need to give them a break because this game is EPIC. I mean it, this IS the SC you've been waiting for. No joke, no trolling. Once you get in and play, especially with a friend or two you will see just how incredibly awesome it is.

In fact my power surged tonight and when I booted back up my sound was dead but I'm still playing... no sound. It's that good.

An epic game does not get 1.5 as userscore at metacritic. Even the official score has dropped down to 71. 

It's being rated on the DRM / Server issues, NOT the game play. It would be hard to believe that any hardcore SC fan would not enjoy the game as long as they can get over the small map sizes, which do not prevent it from being incredible.

 

How can we get over small map sizes. What made Sim City 4 so interesting was seeing your city grow. In the end the city got massive. Also, that not the only problem. What about no local saves, no terraforming, random disasters that destroy your city, and broken mechanics. Also, the game lacks content in comparison to Sim City 4. 

 

Many of the reviews are not just complaining about server issues. If it was just the servers, but people though the game was amazing then it would recieve a higher score. 

[Catchin22 299]

 

 

I'm not trolling. I've been playing for the last 24 hours nearly STRAIGHT. I did go to sleep this morning for about 4 hours. I had a problem once after I woke up getting on, I had to keep going back into the game about 3 times, then it worked. While in the game I get pretty constant disconnects but that doesn't matter as long as it reconnects within the 20 or 30 minutes, whatever it is. Hasn't booted me since!

You guys seriously need to give them a break because this game is EPIC. I mean it, this IS the SC you've been waiting for. No joke, no trolling. Once you get in and play, especially with a friend or two you will see just how incredibly awesome it is.

In fact my power surged tonight and when I booted back up my sound was dead but I'm still playing... no sound. It's that good.

An epic game does not get 1.5 as userscore at metacritic. Even the official score has dropped down to 71. 

It's being rated on the DRM / Server issues, NOT the game play. It would be hard to believe that any hardcore SC fan would not enjoy the game as long as they can get over the small map sizes, which do not prevent it from being incredible.

 

How can we get over small map sizes. What made Sim City 4 so interesting was seeing your city grow. In the end the city got massive. Also, that not the only problem. What about no local saves, no terraforming, random disasters that destroy your city, and broken mechanics. Also, the game lacks content in comparison to Sim City 4. 

 

Many of the reviews are not just complaining about server issues. If it was just the servers, but people though the game was amazing then it would recieve a higher score. 

I had the same concerns as everyone else. It IS amazing. I'm not going to say I don't wish the maps were bigger, as it stands now curved roads waste a lot of space so you end up not using them much. You can't really compare this to any previous SC, but I can say hands down it's the best one I have ever played and I've played all of them since the 80s.

The reviews you are seeing such as amazon are mostly just BS. People are adding fake complaints too make their anti-drm rants more justified. They don't want others to think it's simply the DRM issue.

As far as the no save issue.. It's not really an issue, I thought it would be. It's more like living with the consequences. In that respect you have to deal with the disasters, natural, unnatural or your own fault. I've come to really like that. The first time I got hit with one I was annoyed but then I thought "Okay, I gotta fix this" and I did and I felt more reward for doing that than had I simply been able to roll back the clock.

As far as broken mechanics go... there's really not many and the ones there are minor, they don't hinder the game at all, it's just slight annoyances. For instance I had a school I built but something glitched in the terrain that wouldn't allow me to add more buses. Since I was low on cash I couldn't do much about it except wait it out, it was just another challenge and I ended up building an awesome city. I felt more reward playing 2013 than I have any other SC title!

There's my review if you care to look. There's SO many things to love about this game that those little annoyances take a back seat. The server issues however were a HUGE annoyance and I was on the verge of doing a charge back, I'm glad I didn't though, I'm deeply engrossed in this game now.... which worries me a bit

 

[Camlon 50]

Meh server issues are almost always a problem with games that have a big online component. For some reason companies never seem to be able to get it right at the start. And its not just EA. Remember the problems Half Life 2 had when it launched? You had to get Steam and the servers were overloaded. Terrible! But hey, who do you still hear saying that Half Life 2 was a terrible game because the launch went rather poorly. Right...no one, because they fixed it after a week or something, everyone then got a chance to play it, and the sheer awesomeness of the game itself made everyone forget about the launch problems. 

 

My advice, wait a week for EA to fix the server problems, try it again and then judge the game on the game, rather than a bad launch. And in the future, don't pre-order online games unless you absolutely must have those silly pre-order bonuses. 

 

Half Life 2 was also a very good game overall. Also, you are completely exaggerating their server problems. 

 

I looked at metacritic user reviews after Half Life 2 release. Of about 50 people, about 3 people mentioned connectivity problems, and one of them had modem, and the other didn't have internet at all. 

 

The average score was around 8-9. Sim City got 1.5. 

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As far as the no save issue.. It's not really an issue, I thought it would be. It's more like living with the consequences. In that respect you have to deal with the disasters, natural, unnatural or your own fault. I've come to really like that. The first time I got hit with one I was annoyed but then I thought "Okay, I gotta fix this" and I did and I felt more reward for doing that than had I simply been able to roll back the clock.

There's my review if you care to look. There's SO many things to love about this game that those little annoyances take a back seat. The server issues however were a HUGE annoyance and I was on the verge of doing a charge back, I'm glad I didn't though, I'm deeply engrossed in this game now.... which worries me a bit

 

Catchin22, you are one of the lucky ones blessed with a great internet connection and a server which has been stable. But the risk always remains that that server could crash and all of your hard work, devotion and effort could be lost. All because there is no single-player mode and no local saving. It's playing a game with the sword of Damocles hanging over your cities and regions, one little server problem and poof! All gone!

 

Seriously your tone will change when a malfunctioning server wipes out all of your creation, again you are one of the lucky ones but with this game you never know when your luck may change.

 

That's why I ditched the game and asked for a refund; totally unreliable servers and I couldn't stand the possibility of losing all of my cities and regions. This is a great game which has been broken by being solely online, give it a single-player mode and I will play SC 2013; because then the fate of my regions and cities depends on my computer, and my computer alone, and that's how it always should be!

[Catchin22 299]

As far as the no save issue.. It's not really an issue, I thought it would be. It's more like living with the consequences. In that respect you have to deal with the disasters, natural, unnatural or your own fault. I've come to really like that. The first time I got hit with one I was annoyed but then I thought "Okay, I gotta fix this" and I did and I felt more reward for doing that than had I simply been able to roll back the clock.

There's my review if you care to look. There's SO many things to love about this game that those little annoyances take a back seat. The server issues however were a HUGE annoyance and I was on the verge of doing a charge back, I'm glad I didn't though, I'm deeply engrossed in this game now.... which worries me a bit

 

Catchin22, you are one of the lucky ones blessed with a great internet connection and a server which has been stable. But the risk always remains that that server could crash and all of your hard work, devotion and effort could be lost. All because there is no single-player mode and no local saving. It's playing a game with the sword of Damocles hanging over your cities and regions, one little server problem and poof! All gone!

 

Seriously your tone will change when a malfunctioning server wipes out all of your creation, again you are one of the lucky ones but with this game you never know when your luck may change.

 

That's why I ditched the game and asked for a refund; totally unreliable servers and I couldn't stand the possibility of losing all of my cities and regions. This is a great game which has been broken by being solely online, give it a single-player mode and I will play SC 2013; because then the fate of my regions and cities depends on my computer, and my computer alone, and that's how it always should be!

My internet connections not all that great actually. Good enough I suppose but it's only a 3mb DSL line. You can pick whatever server you want. If the server crashes you would be very unlikely to lose anything, server backups are pretty standard and secure. This is why web hosting for ecom is doable, nobody loses everything, a good host will keep constant backups. Sure you might lose a few hours but it's not a big deal. Cloud computing in general is pretty consistent in being reliable. I know, because I've been in that business for 10 years. That would be the least of my concerns, you're FAR more at risk for data loss on your own computer than with mission critical business class cloud hosting.

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My internet connections not all that great actually. Good enough I suppose but it's only a 3mb DSL line. You can pick whatever server you want. If the server crashes you would be very unlikely to lose anything, server backups are pretty standard and secure. This is why web hosting for ecom is doable, nobody loses everything, a good host will keep constant backups. Sure you might lose a few hours but it's not a big deal. Cloud computing in general is pretty consistent in being reliable. I know, because I've been in that business for 10 years. That would be the least of my concerns, you're FAR more at risk for data loss on your own computer than with mission critical business class cloud hosting.

 

That is quite frankly ridiculous, losing a few hours is not a big deal, it if the servers are unreliable -- something which you haven't yet experienced -- then the risk of losing a few hours at any moment is intolerable. It is a malfunctioning product! If you properly manage and run your computer it will be far more reliable than cloud computing will ever be. Besides how DO YOU KNOW that if a Simcity server crashes you will not lose anything? It happened to me! It seems to have happened for a lot of people, so again you've just got lucky with the servers!

[ModMarkie 11]

Here is the thing, even without the online issues there are a number of flaws in this game that prevent me from purchasing it.

 

Yea, I agree. Get pass all the noise concerning the servers/DRM issue and you will find expeience players saying WTF? One post I read, his whole town became gridlocked. The problem, too many bus station with buses backing up traffic. This is not a puzzle game where you need to find that secret door,  it is a simulation where you resolve problems based on information.

[TinyWeeny 6]

Two things never fail to amaze me:

 

1. MMO launches always go to $%&^! because of server problems.

 

2. Gamers always $%&^! and moan about it, even though they should expect server problems at launch.

 

I've really been enjoying all the crying and moaning from gamers over this game. I'm lap up your qq'ing like Cartman laps up sweet salty tears. And all the complaining over SimCity has been especially delicious because EA fucked up soooooo hard on this one.

 

EA doesn't give 2 shits about what you do now. They've already made a mint off of this game. But... at least they've started taking major flak about it. Anyone looked at their metacritic rating lately? It's down to 71 now, and the user score is atrocious. Over 1200 bad user reviews, lol. And the bad publicity they've been getting is great as well.

 

Unfortunately, EA has too much invested in Origin, and in making things even more DRM, to change. This is why I don't plan on purchasing any more games off Origin. I'll crack them if I can.

[Catchin22 299]

My internet connections not all that great actually. Good enough I suppose but it's only a 3mb DSL line. You can pick whatever server you want. If the server crashes you would be very unlikely to lose anything, server backups are pretty standard and secure. This is why web hosting for ecom is doable, nobody loses everything, a good host will keep constant backups. Sure you might lose a few hours but it's not a big deal. Cloud computing in general is pretty consistent in being reliable. I know, because I've been in that business for 10 years. That would be the least of my concerns, you're FAR more at risk for data loss on your own computer than with mission critical business class cloud hosting.

 

That is quite frankly ridiculous, losing a few hours is not a big deal, it if the servers are unreliable -- something which you haven't yet experienced -- then the risk of losing a few hours at any moment is intolerable. It is a malfunctioning product! If you properly manage and run your computer it will be far more reliable than cloud computing will ever be. Besides how DO YOU KNOW that if a Simcity server crashes you will not lose anything? It happened to me! It seems to have happened for a lot of people, so again you've just got lucky with the servers!

I was unaware that 10s of thousands of dollars into a single server setup was less reliable than your home PC. I guess we should start moving home PCs into DCs instead. People (like myself, I even posted about it) thought game saves were lost because they were unaware that saves do not replicate between servers, so switching servers = no more saved game. It's the one thing I really dislike the most. I'm not worried about game saves, I'm in the hosting business, I know how things work. If people in the business are okay with it, you should be too. Yes it's still possible once in a great great while that you may lose some data, an hour or more... maybe. If I lose an hour of game play... my life's not over.

No matter how you twist things, I will absolutely get my $60 of entertainment out of this game, easily. What else matters beyond that? Over the course of my life I've had PLENTY of games that lasted me less than a year, some that lasted 5+ years, usually though I got my moneys worth.

[fretz- 1]

Catchin, since you work in hosting let me ask this, would you trust a Bitcoin fortune to Mt.Gox, or would you prefer to have control of it your self?

Apologies for the OT but you are evangelical and refute all opinions other than your own with a "if i am happy with it, you should be", whivh is remarkable.

[Catchin22 299]

Catchin, since you work in hosting let me ask this, would you trust a Bitcoin fortune to Mt.Gox, or would you prefer to have control of it your self?

Apologies for the OT but you are evangelical and refute all opinions other than your own with a "if i am happy with it, you should be", whivh is remarkable.

I'm arguing against false statements.

 

[fretz- 1]

Catchin, since you work in hosting let me ask this, would you trust a Bitcoin fortune to Mt.Gox, or would you prefer to have control of it your self?

Apologies for the OT but you are evangelical and refute all opinions other than your own with a "if i am happy with it, you should be", whivh is remarkable.

I'm arguing against false statements.

Your avoidance of answering the question is deafening.

I would not trust my bitcoin wallet to Mt.Gox, despite their vastly superior resources and technical ability.

The same is true for my save game files.

[Catchin22 299]

 

Catchin, since you work in hosting let me ask this, would you trust a Bitcoin fortune to Mt.Gox, or would you prefer to have control of it your self?

Apologies for the OT but you are evangelical and refute all opinions other than your own with a "if i am happy with it, you should be", whivh is remarkable.

I'm arguing against false statements. Your avoidance of answering the question is deafening.

I would not trust my bitcoin wallet to Mt.Gox, despite their vastly superior resources and technical ability.

The same is true for my save game files.

 

Deafening huh? Your question has nothing to do with the hosting industry.  I think it's in their best interest to not lose data and to keep customers happy, long term, especially when banking on DLC.

[T Wrecks 10,209]

So I had preordered this game for some weeks now and I thought the online/server problems were surely not that bad.

 

Maxis you actually had a decent simulator albeit for the small cities (plus lack of contiguous tiles and terraforming), why did you bend over backwards and let EA force you into creating an online only game?

Let's see you play the heroic rebel when the question is feeding your family or losing your job (in difficult times with high unemployment figures) over a stupid and - in the overall perspective - utterly unimportant computer game some others would like to play.

 

All this is hypothetical, though - we can only speculate as to who made what decision, and on what grounds.

[reputationZed 4]

Ditched the game last night as well. Requested a refund from Amazon which was approved within a few hours despite their policy that digital downloads are in eligible for refunds. Cudo's to Amazon for the commitment to customer satisfaction

Message From Amazon Customer Service

Hello,

I'm very sorry to hear about the problem you had with your purchased game "SimCity - Standard Edition [Download]". This is definitely not what we want our Customers to experience.

In an effort to compensate for the inconvenience caused, I've issued complete refund on the "SimCity - Standard Edition [Download]" game.

Frustration with the servers ultimately outweighed any satisfaction I was getting from the game, and EA's solution of throwing more servers at the problem seems like a desperate attempt to bandaid the games issues rather than solve them. Case in point I tried logging on last night and was told that the server I had been playing on was busy and to try again in 29 minutes. Per Maxis/EA suggestion I tried logging on to one of the available servers even though it would have meant starting a new city from scratch. Problem was when I tried connecting to a server that was listed as available I'd still get a message that the connection couldn't be established. That was the last straw for me, can't play the game because the servers busy, can't play the game because the server is available, in short cant play the game.

The game had potential but I'm still not convinced that Maxis's reboot of SimCity into a social network Sims/SC hybrid makes for a more enjoyable game than a true to the bone SimCity 5 would have been. The concept was interesting but to many concessions were made that ultimately detract from the games potential. For example why give us curved roads but then constrain us to a city size that makes them impractical to use.

Who knows, 6 months from now if EA fixes things to the point were I can just jump on and play I might give SC2013 another go. Heck it might even be in the bargain bin by then. But for me, in its current state, SC2013 is a fail.