The RSA (Rainbow Sheep Association)

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[Jamesrules90 133]

You people are so wrong you should join SOLAIOLIEFS(Stupidly overly long anacornyms are improving our lives in exchange for space) Anyone who disagrees dislikes everything.

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LOL That's why I offered you Hunan Lambs...

[Jamesrules90 133]

Dont eat lamb its bad for the environment

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Dont eat lamb its bad for the environment

Don't forget this...

Ahhh but you all forget that Rainbow Sheep are a special breed of sheep that does not cause any pollution. They spread magical dust (contents: grass seed, glitter, high fructose corn syrup) everywhere they graze that replaces the grass that they ate. And their flesh is poisonous to humans. Yet they are endangered because their natural predator, stupid greedy politicians, seem to be in abundance these days.

  Edited August 23, 2011 by 111222333444  

[Jamesrules90 133]

Don't forget this...

Ahhh but you all forget that Rainbow Sheep are a special breed of sheep that does not cause any pollution. They spread magical dust (contents: grass seed, glitter, high fructose corn syrup) everywhere they graze that replaces the grass that they ate. And their flesh is poisonous to humans. Yet they are endangered because their natural predator, stupid greedy politicians, seem to be in abundance these days.

But I said that sowing grass seed just makes things worse.

  Edited August 23, 2011 by Jamesrules90  

[Indiana Joe 1,752]

But I said that sowing grass seed just makes things worse.

If you'd rather live on a world of dirt then suit yourself.

  Edited August 23, 2011 by Indiana Joe  

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

You guys need to remember that grass makes oxygen when the sun shines on it. As for not eating lamb, if we don't, how will the Kiwis make a living?

[Indiana Joe 1,752]

A New Zealand farmer is horrified to find one of his workers being extremely familiar with one of the sheep. He says, "MATE! Your supposed to be SHEARING that sheep!" The worker frowns and yells back, "I'm not shearing Matilda with anyone!"

[Jamesrules90 133]

If you'd rather live on a world of dirt then suit yourself.

I would rather live in a world of forests and heather and stuff.

You guys need to remember that grass makes oxygen when the sun shines on it. As for not eating lamb, if we don't, how will the Kiwis make a living?

But when said grass is eaten the carbon dioxide it has absorbed is turned into methane and then released and the oxygen released is negligible. Compare it to old growth forests which are chopped down to have sheep and you realize how terrible sheep farming is.

>The above was not a joke and is entirely truthful. >

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

All farming that destroys boreal forests and wetlands is tragic. However, man is an omnivore and meat is on the menu. If we didn't have agriculture, we'd still be hunting and gathering in the forests and plains. As usual, nature pays the price for having one of its top predators turn out to be too smart.

And most of the world's oxygen supply comes from algae blooms in the ocean. These are being killed off by the garbage we throw in there.

  Edited August 24, 2011 by A Nonny Moose  

[Jamesrules90 133]

As a species we can live without meat while meat may be nice to eat it should be sustainably farmed and be eaten once a day, most meat that we eat is farmed in former forests, fed feed grown in chopped down rainforests and if not free range it is factory farmed. Plently of people live without meat and animal products either as a lifestyle choice or sheer lack of meat and as long as they eat a variety of vegetables they live fine.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Personally, I find most pulse repulsive. I don't much care for soya protein, and some beans are OK, but peas are boring. You've got to get certain amino acids somewhere, and a nice juicy hamburger is as good as any, as long as it is real meat and not loaded with fat.

Railing against agriculture will never work. I abhor factory farms, but the only ones in my area seem to be chicken ranches. Most of the livestock around here are free range on mixed farms.

Without agriculture, not only would you be going hungry a lot of the time, but all that nice progress that produced your lovely smart phone probably wouldn't have happened. We'd be too busy, we few, foraging for food.

[Jamesrules90 133]

I don't have a smartphone, its a Nokia brick.

I understand what you are saying and agree with most of it but there are more sustainable ways to farm and the problem is that most of our food comes from unsustainable places (unless you buy from local organic farmers) and if you like beef why not try quorn imitation beef. I am against our current way of agriculture which is hugely wasteful and generally involves spraying crops with huge amounts of pesticide and fertilizing using artificial nitrogen fertilizers which destroy aqautic ecosystems by causing huge algal blooms and large amounts of the greenhouse gas nitrous oxide which contributes to global warming many times more than carbon dioxide causing 320 times more damage than it.

Farming needs a huge overhaul and cut down on meat is involved, I am not saying stop eating meat (I still eat meat) but eat it less like once a day and have a day where you don't eat meat.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

I don't have a smartphone, its a Nokia brick.

I understand what you are saying and agree with most of it but there are more sustainable ways to farm and the problem is that most of our food comes from unsustainable places (unless you buy from local organic farmers) and if you like beef why not try quorn imitation beef. I am against our current way of agriculture which is hugely wasteful and generally involves spraying crops with huge amounts of pesticide and fertilizing using artificial nitrogen fertilizers which destroy aqautic ecosystems by causing huge algal blooms and large amounts of the greenhouse gas nitrous oxide which contributes to global warming many times more than carbon dioxide causing 320 times more damage than it.

Farming needs a huge overhaul and cut down on meat is involved, I am not saying stop eating meat (I still eat meat) but eat it less like once a day and have a day where you don't eat meat.

Did you ever see that show about the northern Japanese farmer who just lets things grow. He makes seed balls out of manure and seed and just tosses them around his plot of ground which looks like a rain forest. He harvests what he needs and what he needs to sell to get things he can't make or grow. He lives with the land, and doesn't coerce it. The Japanese government is studying his methods and recommends them. The problem with this is that there are too many people to feed this way.

Organic farming is a silly fad. Growing things in excrement and compost is not the way to harvest. These materials have to make themselves into soil before the ground can be used. The only farm that works directly on feces is a mushroom farm which consists mostly of horse dung.

I wouldn't worry about current farm practices any more. What they've been doing is creating an even bigger dust bowl, and soon there will no longer be any soil. Farming will have to go hydroponic. All those dust storms on the west coast are made up of the top soil of China, which is being severely over farmed.

Oh, if you are against GM foods, you have to stop eating bread, pasta, and any other wheat product. Most of the wheat in the world is Canadian triticale, which is GM wheat.

  Edited August 25, 2011 by A Nonny Moose  

[DavidB_ 83]

I don't know what any of you are talking about, but oh well... I'll join once I figure out how to combine my current avatar with a sheep!

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[larelo6 3]

Umm, can I register my awesome sheep to RSA, sir?

And what facilities does my sheep get with this registration?

  Edited August 25, 2011 by larelo6  

[TheHaso2011 152]

Umm, can I register my awesome sheep to RSA, sir?

And what facilities does my sheep get with this registration?

You sure Can, and by the Looks of things, you are GOD!

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All I can say is

[Jamesrules90 133]

Did you ever see that show about the northern Japanese farmer who just lets things grow. He makes seed balls out of manure and seed and just tosses them around his plot of ground which looks like a rain forest. He harvests what he needs and what he needs to sell to get things he can't make or grow. He lives with the land, and doesn't coerce it. The Japanese government is studying his methods and recommends them. The problem with this is that there are too many people to feed this way.

Organic farming is a silly fad. Growing things in excrement and compost is not the way to harvest. These materials have to make themselves into soil before the ground can be used. The only farm that works directly on feces is a mushroom farm which consists mostly of horse dung.

I wouldn't worry about current farm practices any more. What they've been doing is creating an even bigger dust bowl, and soon there will no longer be any soil. Farming will have to go hydroponic. All those dust storms on the west coast are made up of the top soil of China, which is being severely over farmed.

Oh, if you are against GM foods, you have to stop eating bread, pasta, and any other wheat product. Most of the wheat in the world is Canadian triticale, which is GM wheat.

I keep this short before it starts a argument which nobody wants.

That sounds good but a little extreme

Organic Farming is not a silly fad and it doesn't only use dung and compost it can simply not use pesticide and artificial fertilizer.

I have no idea about dust storms on the west coast being British but hydroponic farming is good and I thing it is a good idea.

I had no idea about that but from a quick google Canadian triticale is not used in Human consumption.

[Gringamuyloca 47]

I had no idea about that but from a quick google Canadian triticale is not used in Human consumption.

It's always a good idea to check more than one source: Canadian triticale

End uses for Canadian triticale

Triticale has a variety of end uses.

It is milled into flour.

It is also used to make breakfast cereal.

In agriculture, triticale is used for livestock feed and forage.

[Jamesrules90 133]

So is it actually GM as it seems to just be interbred which doesn't seem to be real GM.

[Gringamuyloca 47]

So is it actually GM as it seems to just be interbred which doesn't seem to be real GM.

From actionbioscience.org The Debate Over Genetically Modified Foods

When combining two crops using standard agricultural techniques, genes are allowed to mix at random. A typical example is Triticale, a synthetic hybrid between wheat and rye grown in Europe, which is the result of combining 50,000 largely untested genes, 25,000 from each species. GM crops, in contrast, have specific genes inserted to produce the same desired effect.

Biotech plants are now grown on about 130 million acres in 13 countries, including Argentina, Canada, and Germany. In 2001, 3.6 million acres were used for GM crops in the U.S. More than 60% of all processed foods in the U.S. contain ingredients from GM soybeans, corn, or canola.

Sorry for the hijack TheHaso2011... Mods, maybe we could move this conversation to General Off Topic?!

  Edited August 25, 2011 by Gringamuyloca  

[Jamesrules90 133]

Can parts of a conversation be moved to a new topic. Wow that sounds complicated.

If has just been interbred using convention methods I doubt you can call it a true GM crop as if that is case everything we eat is GM because everything from Cows to Bananas have been bred to create more commercially viable and edible food. I mean look at the Chillingham Cattle compared to modern farming cattle and the banana which when wild is nearly inedible. I class GMO's as something which has been modified in a lab to provide a benefit while species which have been selectively bred to produce a benefit are not GMO's due to the fact that this is effectivly a form of human fuelled evolution and legally is not classed and Geneticcily modified.

On a side note I have been to chillingham castle and made three atemempts at viewing the castle but due to excessive rain (IE flooding) I ended up having a meal at a pub, stupid northumberland weather.

[TheHaso2011 152]

So is it actually GM as it seems to just be interbred which doesn't seem to be real GM.

From actionbioscience.org The Debate Over Genetically Modified Foods

When combining two crops using standard agricultural techniques, genes are allowed to mix at random. A typical example is Triticale, a synthetic hybrid between wheat and rye grown in Europe, which is the result of combining 50,000 largely untested genes, 25,000 from each species. GM crops, in contrast, have specific genes inserted to produce the same desired effect.

Biotech plants are now grown on about 130 million acres in 13 countries, including Argentina, Canada, and Germany. In 2001, 3.6 million acres were used for GM crops in the U.S. More than 60% of all processed foods in the U.S. contain ingredients from GM soybeans, corn, or canola.

Sorry for the hijack TheHaso2011... Mods, maybe we could move this conversation to General Off Topic?!

When did you Hijack? Everyone, Im going to Wales but I may be on some oints in the week, and before you ask, I am Not a Travelling Gypsy

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Going to Wales (Cymru)? Have a good trip, and watch out for white sheep.

[TheHaso2011 152]

Yep, Lots of them... Lots and Lots.... SHouldn't be hard to get to sleep!

[Jamesrules90 133]

So is it actually GM as it seems to just be interbred which doesn't seem to be real GM.

From actionbioscience.org The Debate Over Genetically Modified Foods

When combining two crops using standard agricultural techniques, genes are allowed to mix at random. A typical example is Triticale, a synthetic hybrid between wheat and rye grown in Europe, which is the result of combining 50,000 largely untested genes, 25,000 from each species. GM crops, in contrast, have specific genes inserted to produce the same desired effect.

Biotech plants are now grown on about 130 million acres in 13 countries, including Argentina, Canada, and Germany. In 2001, 3.6 million acres were used for GM crops in the U.S. More than 60% of all processed foods in the U.S. contain ingredients from GM soybeans, corn, or canola.

Sorry for the hijack TheHaso2011... Mods, maybe we could move this conversation to General Off Topic?!

When did you Hijack? Everyone, Im going to Wales but I may be on some oints in the week, and before you ask, I am Not a Travelling Gypsy

Going to Wales (Cymru)? Have a good trip, and watch out for white sheep.

Yep, Lots of them... Lots and Lots.... SHouldn't be hard to get to sleep!

Wales the land of my fathers.

My family come from the South Wales valleys and used to manage the coal mines, my Granddad lives down there in Caerphilly near Cardiff and my Nana Pat lives in Swansea. Wales is a nice country just a little bit hilly.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Wales has a lot going for it. I haven't been there, but the various photo essays on it show a lovely country very similar to the middle Ottawa valley or Ireland. Lovely green hills, all up hill and down dale. If I could, I would love to retire there. I think I would love to drop into the local for a pint of Perry.

  Edited August 27, 2011 by A Nonny Moose