50 and G-Unit Crew causing trouble in Detroit suburbs.

[blaze 0]

rap grew up in the low class enviroment.

GingerBlokey whoa dude thats harsh.

but i agree and also with DuskTrooper

[edcase2k4-thugangel1983 1]

the thing a lot of people overlook about the rap music (not the artists or their lifestyles) - is that its just an art form and painting a picture of things which happens in reality. its no different to a film about violence, gangs, etc., or paintings depicting such things, or a book about that --- like those about famous wars for example... and often things which people class as simply education or history yet its far more violent and bloody than any critised rap music!

if those things weren't happening in the world - then there wouldn't be no music about it - there wouldn't be no reason for people to want to paint a picture about it. people forget that the music was created by society and evolved into representing a lof of the harsh sides of it - it didsn't happen the other way round. music didn't create the societies and problems.. society was full of problems before the music existed. and rap music is just stories about those problems in society or about being caught up in it.. so i really fail to see the difference between rap music and other medium such as tv programs, films, stories, books, paintings/pictures which portray harsh things...

the real problem (after the fact that all the actual social problems and depravety that exists and needs to be fixed first) is in the way that these types of art are marketed and advertised - if anything! (after all, how can an artist be wrong for creating something portraying events that have happened in reality?)

some artists are completely talentless (there are loads of them within EVERY genre of music) whereas other have poetic or musical or artistic or singing talent to such a high degree and people would see that if they look beyond the surface or their own taste

hiphop is my life (musically) but im still very choosy about what i like! my taste is very defined..... but at the same time i can appreciate if someone is talented at what they do and how their music can appeal to certain people even if it doesn't appeal to me personally and i don't enjoy it and therefore would never listen to it because of that. but that doesn't mean i just bring it down to the level of a childish war of insults/name-calling and just classing anything which doesn't appeal to me as stupid and awful - that would be easy to do, narrow-minded, and not seeing the fuller picture but only what i want to see.......... and i am glad i aint like that

BTW i haven't actually read the whole article or all the posts and this isn't really intended to relate to those events - but just the music

on that note though: there had been a spat of Marilyn Manson and satanicrock-heads carrying out arson attacks in europe somewhere once, mostly against churches. i think it was in scandinavia but i'm not positive. and this is the beloved rock music. so you see, if someone has those feelings inside them to carry out such acts - the music they listen to really has little to do with it.

i'm sure they worshiped satan before Marilyn Manson appeared on the scene and milked the whole thing.. the real funny thing is, while they put on this so-called satanic (and hard) front -- every single one of them arsonists were probably greasy little weeds that lived at home with their mummy and daddy; totally dependant on them for everything

[Griff 0]

Whoa, that's disturbing, a bunch of groupies accosting a fan for a friggin' shirt. I'll be the first to admit that I like a few rap singles, but quite frankly too much of the rap scene is dedicated to violence, racial depravation (as well as conflict in some cases), and the objectification of women. We don't necessarily need a ban on rap, we need more wholesome and meaningful songs on the scene.

[MayorTim 16]

I hate rap... I completely agree with Dusktrooper.

Oh course, I am almost certinally biased when it comes to rap, as I have lived in middle class suburbs all my life.

I prefer rock.

[EAGCE 2]

And the rock people should just do like their songs and kill theirselves. How do you like that?

Oh and I dont know what you people are talking about Rap is going out stuff. Rap is as popular as ever.

[GrayWolf115 0]

That's a pretty harsh statement there eagce, I love rock and any music that appeals to my taste. But I do not go around telling people who like rap to go and kill themselves because they are all assholes and get shot like they do in their songs. Why dont you go and get ur head blown off like they do in those songs of yours? eh?

(btw; Rock isn't gonna die anytime soon and I don't know of any ture classic rock songs about suicide, care to give an example?)


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[Joesocwork 4]

Gen'l'men!!! 

(it is possible to talk about the respective arts w/out getting personal & risk closing the thread! )

 

[EAGCE 2]

No, I was responding to those that said all rappers should be shot or whatever. I was trying to show how stupid and rude that is by putting it on them.

Yes what the supposed G-Unit guys did was bad, but that doesnt make rap music bad.

Rap is my music and feel it is ridiculous to say rap causes bad things because of what they rap about. When people do stupid things, it is because they are idiots, not because of what music they listen to/movies they watch/video games they play. Those things only slightly influence which stupid thing they do.

[6459978. 106]

Freedom of expression is one thing, but calling it rap music... that's where I draw the line... call it an artform or something...

[blaze 0]

ARTFORM!!! does it even deserve that?

[GrayWolf115 0]

call it modern art, can never go wrong with that..

ex: Dude#1 (Holy SH!T Dude?! Wtf is that? I think its moving too! how long has it been in your fridge?)
Dude#2 (Oh, that's just modern art)

[EAGCE 2]

And it just continues....

[Dolfan348488 0]

Why do you guys have to be hating on rap? At least you can understand what they are saying. Go listen to some of the most hardcore death metal music...and type out what they are screaming. Id be impressed.

[Mexicanboy13r 12]

Because everyone on ST, can be haters at times. I don't care though because when people see something wrong they get all out of hand..(on the internet i must say)... me, well I like Rap and Hip-hop.. I find it easy to dance at parties and the music is way better for my taste.. But like I said...

[guinea 31]

Well look t it like this yes i agree in rap you can understand what they are saying .... but they are saying plain crap.... EG lryics  from a sean paul song that  friend of mine is obsessed with at the moment

Shake that thing Miss Kana Kana
Shake that thing Miss Annabella
Shake that thing yan Donna Donna
Jodi and Rebecca

Woman Get busy, Just shake that booty non-stop
When the beat drops
Just keep swinging it
Get jiggy
Get crunked up

I mean ....... W....T....H
He is singing abotu women shkeing their ass's.. it seems a bit pointless

Rock however will sing about feelings .. things that mean stuff to people ... thats why i like it because i can relate life to it ..... i dont see how i can relate my life to the words shakin do fo up booty 

[edcase2k4-thugangel1983 1]

hiphop is about feelings to but you have to find the right artists and tracks. i like poetic meaningfull lyrics which can be used to paint a picture about any type of struggle in life -- when combined with the technical rhyming and clever extensive vocabulary -- along with the music which i love

sure there is hiphop that is pure rubbish with no meaning. but the same can be said for some rock too.. its swings and roundabouts because every artist is different within the genres. but to just class people and their musical taste as stupid because you don't like it is childish - it works both ways really. i think rock is too depressing and i don't like the music or the screaming in certain types of rock - that's just me though

i could easily say its crap and those depressing types of rock artists who drone and whine on and on about the same thing for 5 minutes - just beating around the bush like that - should kill themself and slit their wrists and s*** but what's the point..... its childish. just because you don't understand something (like hiphop) - it generally means its because you haven't opened your mind to it. it doesn't mean its worthless meaningless dribble that no thought energy passion or interlect went into creating ... i hate most music but that doesn't mean i class it as dribble that no thought energy passion or interlect went into creating because i would look at what went into it. all other types of bland opinions are biased and unhonest because of your personal taste you fail to see what really goes into creating music and have never even analysed it in that way 'cause as soon as you hear it and don't like it - you shut off from it


oh and of course Sean Paul is crap. that's nothing to do with taste: he just doesn't have any talent! i wouldn't even class him as hip-hop he's a talentless dancehall/pop/rap crossover artist who can't write lyrics or sing or rap well at all

hiphop is one of the biggest genres worlwide, behind country & western, and so half the world can't be just wrong about it having something appealing... its a matter of taste. accept it and get over it jeez...

[EAGCE 2]

Well if you dont like rap because it doesnt show emotions or whatever, then try listening to R&B. I like a lot of that too.

Listen to some Kanye West. Thats the real rap stuff there.

Edit: and why does music have to have feelings all the time? Many times when I listen to music I want to get away from feelings. Sometimes I just wanna nod my head and tap my toes.... Or *dance* ( what I consider dancing )

[King_SMO 4]

Guinea is just going through that punk/goth stage a lot of kids are going through now. Of course he's gong to pick out a 3 year old club song and base all of rap on that. What if a rap guy based his opinion on rock music off Peaches by the P.U.S.A. You all need to just open your mind and accept other peoples culture. Rock/emo people need to realize theres more to rap than ass shakin, and rap people need to learn theres more to rock than screaming and whining about your feelings.

Personally, I favor rock over most rap, but that deosn't mean i need to be ignorent and baised against the entire artform. Rock is never going to die, and actual rap music isn't. Hopefully though, southern rap will die out because it sucks! Lil John sucks, Mike Johns sucks more, and T.I. sucks the most. The only decent southern rapper is Luda.

 

Some rock people hate rap music because all they hear is crappy rap music. Go listen to anything by Dr. Dre and I guerentee youll just want to grab your crotch and nod your head. I recomend Xxplosive.

[Goin2Chicago 4]

i respect any type of music but more than anything i can't stand this new rock stuff. every band sounds the same and and i hear everyone talking about one song and i just hate it. i've been raised on classic rock and it's the greatest. i really like rap and hip hop and r&b and all that too because they throw down some tight beats and some nice rhymes. i'm always up to date with the new songs because with the majority of my bus being black the radio station is always on 107.5 WGCI which is a chicago rap station. think about it this way people that hate rap and think it should be illegal or something like that, i bet theres a lot of people that think your favorite music should be illegal and that it sucks.

[nealos101 20]

Back in my chavish stages, I listened to rap and hip hop becuase everyone else liked it, not on my own opinions. Being a chav was the worst moments of my life, and thank god I finished with that quickly, and quietly...

Now that I have my own opinion back again, and I can honourably say to those same people that influenced me to: 'take it up the behind and leave me alone', my opinion on this is as justly as it was back then:

If it has meaningful lyrics that appeal to more than one person, then it is good.

I personally am moving into the classical movement, beginning my search for good artists & composers. But looking back, and looking at this *degrading* thread, the gang that went into the suburbs of detroit are nothing more than the desperate, if you can't take being rejected - they shouldn't pick on people that can't defend themselves and have their own opinions - its exactly what Hitler did to the Jews and Im pretty sick at what he did.

But just becuase one gang went and did what conventional bullies do doesn't mean to say we should start taking each other down becuase of our views on music, if you don't like rap don't moan at the people who do.  Same applies to people who don't like rock... Dance, trance, rnb whatever...

This is Earth, full of creative geneiouses that have many different creative followers, don't judge each other on everyone's beleifs becuase our heroes have done something wrong - judge them on their own actions.

If you are foolish enough to follow someone to do bad things, its your own fault, thus you are as bad as the gang in the white van in a different, yet paralell perspective.

[Micah 16]

Well, personally, I don't think all rappers are bad. Only those that want violence, sex, and drugs. Usher, for example, is a rapper that I do not consider to be 'bad'. I listen to a lot of his music without having to fear that something negative will pop-up in the song. Now, as for G-unit or Fat Joe, they are different stories.