The Simtropolis Closet

[thatmonkeysim 8]

haha nice pic Boggs...

[General Gunfire 0]

Date: 7/31/2005 1:37:10 PM Author: boggy1

Heh, I just remembered about this pic I had.

Its pretty cute, but it shows what some gay couples have to go through in some countries.

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LMAO. That's actually pretty funny.

Everyone knows I tolerate being homosexual and I have no problem with it (except for when being gay becomes a huge stereotypical mish-mash), but my stance on same-sex marriage is the same. I think that if a couple really loves each other that much, a civil union should be just fine. Holy matrimony has always been heterosexual. As many close to me know and a few on ST, I am highly traditional.

I hope this doesn't make anyone angry, and I hope you can understand my feelings about it without getting pissed.

 

I love you all! (In that spiritual/every-human-is-bisexual way)

 

-The General

[mentarman 14]

How about the idea of getting government out of the business of marriage altogether? The legal thing everyone gets can be a civil union, whether you are gay or straight. Those who are religious can have religious marriage ceremonies at whatever church will marry them and they can be recognized as married for anyone who cares. If you don't want that (I for one am not religious) or your church won't marry you because of who you want to marry, then you've got a civil union (heck, call it a marriage if you want, but technically, beaurocratically it would be a civil union for everyone).

Just an idea I've heard proposed...

[+Guest]

Hmm, I don't know whether this is off-topic or not.....

I've been out for a year, but I only came out to my friends last month.

 

Now, they don't want anything to do with me. And I lost my job. And my boyfriend. And I broke a pedal this morning.

 

Anybody else have post-coming-out troubles like this?

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Date: 8/1/2005 3:00:48 AM
Author: General Gunfire
Everyone knows I tolerate being homosexual and I have no problem with it (except for when being gay becomes a huge stereotypical mish-mash), but my stance on same-sex marriage is the same. I think that if a couple really loves each other that much, a civil union should be just fine. Holy matrimony has always been heterosexual. As many close to me know and a few on ST, I am highly traditional.

I hope this doesn't make anyone angry, and I hope you can understand my feelings about it without getting pissed.

I love you all! (In that spiritual/every-human-is-bisexual way)-The General

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I greatly respect that you were so civil in your post. However, I disagree with your logic for the following reason:

In the 1800s and before, a 'traditional' marriage did not involve interracial marriage. In fact, if you want to find the real roots of a 'traditional' marriage, you would have to go back to when the families chose the spouse for their children.

There is almost nothing 'traditional' about marriages we have today. Marriage has changed as values have changed. Now that homosexuality is (hopefully) becoming somewhat more accepted, homosexual marriage is becoming more common (in other countries mostly, so far).


Attempts to restrict homosexual marriage are very similar to attempts to restrict interracial marriage in the late 1800s.


But, as suggested by mentarman... there are really two different 'types' of marriage. Religious marriage and governmental marriage.

In religious marriage, it is the church's responsibility to determine who can and cannot get married.

I believe that any two people who wish to live together as a 'couple' should have the option to get married, in the government sense. This is the only fair way to give everybody equal rights.


Once again, though, I do greatly appreciate your sincerity, straightforwardness, and civility.

[GingerBlokey 30]

I must say despite one or two homophobic comments coming outs has certainly been an enjoyable experience. Most people (girls especially) are sooo supportive and I just want to say a big thankyou to anyone who has been nice or supportive to me. The hardest people I have had to tell have been adults my Dad especially he is very Traditional

[General Gunfire 0]

Date: 8/1/2005 4:29:01 PM Author: MallowTheCloud

Date: 8/1/2005 3:00:48 AM Author: General Gunfire Everyone knows I tolerate being homosexual and I have no problem with it (except for when being gay becomes a huge stereotypical mish-mash), but my stance on same-sex marriage is the same. I think that if a couple really loves each other that much, a civil union should be just fine. Holy matrimony has always been heterosexual. As many close to me know and a few on ST, I am highly traditional. I hope this doesn't make anyone angry, and I hope you can understand my feelings about it without getting pissed. I love you all! (In that spiritual/every-human-is-bisexual way)-The General

I greatly respect that you were so civil in your post. However, I disagree with your logic for the following reason: In the 1800s and before, a 'traditional' marriage did not involve interracial marriage. In fact, if you want to find the real roots of a 'traditional' marriage, you would have to go back to when the families chose the spouse for their children. There is almost nothing 'traditional' about marriages we have today. Marriage has changed as values have changed. Now that homosexuality is (hopefully) becoming somewhat more accepted, homosexual marriage is becoming more common (in other countries mostly, so far). Attempts to restrict homosexual marriage are very similar to attempts to restrict interracial marriage in the late 1800s. But, as suggested by mentarman... there are really two different 'types' of marriage. Religious marriage and governmental marriage. In religious marriage, it is the church's responsibility to determine who can and cannot get married. I believe that any two people who wish to live together as a 'couple' should have the option to get 'married', in the government sense. This is the only fair way to give everybody equal rights. Once again, though, I do greatly appreciate your sincerity, straightforwardness, and civility.

I was suggesting that before recent times, there have been bery few or no gay marriages *in holy matrimony*. I fully support civil union, but not holy matrimony inside the church. Traditionally (in general) Marriage was between opposite sex partners and were, the vast majority of the time, between the same race.

 

I'm glad you guys didn't take this the wrong way...

 

-The General

 

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Author: GingerBlokey

The hardest people I have had to tell have been adults my Dad especially he is very Traditional.

 

I sincerely hope that wasn't directed at me... I was hoping that I could be civil about it and not hurt feelings... But I feel for you. I'm sure parent's are when it comes to this.

Try to find some way that this will benefit him and tell him. It helps!

 

 ~language~ A.C.

[dannylm 0]

well here we go me is gay too and loving it

 

[GingerBlokey 30]

No General it wasnt aimed at you.

[Yajimari21 0]

Hmm well me coming out to myself and coming out to one of my friends happened at the same time when I said I thought I was bi but then by the end of the conversation I was like umm nm I'm pretty sure I'm gay hahaha .. So far Ive only told 3 of my closest friends (all girls), but ive only known for like 7 months now... Most people already know though because of the way I act... and talk... and dress (even my straight outfits all match O_o;

Coming out at school is easy but to ur parents >.>;; I'm not ready to tell mine yet especially after my mom was talking to one of her friends about how homosexuality is devilish and a lifestyle choice, and then they looked at me and my siblings and were like are u guys gay and I was like O_o;; and then put a scowl on my face to basically say of course not! I'm surprised that they can't tell though >.>;;

There are like very few gay people in my school so its kinda lonely lol xD... hopefully more will join m school next year u.u;

Traditional *sigh* lol... but at least ur not the gay people are children of the devil traditional lol...

ooo have any of u seen the movie Touch of Pink its soooooooooooooooooooo good lol... its a romantic comedy one reviewer called it a dick flick lol... a chick flick for gay guys xD... my aunt borrowed it for me and my sisters & our cousin to see (hmm... suspicious) it was funny because during the movie my 6 year old cousin was going ewwwwww when the gay guys kissed

[GingerBlokey 30]

I competly sympaphise. Parents can be such donkeys when it come to this kind of thing. Dont make the same mistake I did and tell 'all' your friends. Trust me one will fall out with you and tell the whole school *ahemChrisBallahem*. Tell ur parents before you tell the whole school.

[Yajimari21 0]

Well I go to boarding school xD so I'm not sure if there is much of a chance of my parents finding out via that... but one thing im worried about is that after the whole school knows if some of them tell my brother via IM (since he went to this school last year and like everyone knew him and alot of the boys IM him)

[EmergentFungus 29]

 

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[thatmonkeysim 8]

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[MallowTheCloud 41]

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[GingerBlokey 30]

This is a simple guide to 'The Closet' showing all the bars and restraunts avalible in this 6 floor complex.

[+Guest]

lol. Lol@the hair, bloke

[jmusshorn 7]

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[Dereko 0]

He probably means you are either out or you're not. If you don't want certain people to know you're gay, then don't tell anyone then. If you choose to go around telling people you're gay then live with it because people are social creatures and they talk.

[General Gunfire 0]

Date: 8/1/2005 6:42:10 PM Author: GingerBlokey No General it wasnt aimed at you.

Oh, ok. Sorry for jumping on it that quick. 

 

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[p_mcgough 0]

Hi people [of whatever inclination]. Nothing smart or funny to say, but very happy to help bump up the gay quotient on this thread.

So, count me in.

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Date: 8/3/2005 9:37:59 PM
Author: MC6Ash
ok, I did some more cleaning. I hope I didn't offend anybody by my edits, I just want to keep this thread in the light.

Remember to follow the site rules and this thread will remain, if rules are broken, I'll have to clean it again. But don't worry. as the official gay thread of simtropolis it will remain, and I will not delete it, nor close it.

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Good to know... and as before, we will try to keep this as good-natured as we can.

[jmusshorn 7]

Thanks MC6Ash. I'll also try to keep the peace in STs official gay thread.

[+Guest]

I'm gay and and would never wish to be str8.  My boyfreind and I are moving to Chicago next month.  We currently live in South Carolina (fundamintalist christian capitol of the world) and are hoping for a more liberal atmosphere.

 

[GingerBlokey 30]

Date: 8/3/2005 9:37:59 PM
Author: MC6Ash

ok, I did some more cleaning. I hope I didn't offend anybody by my edits, I just want to keep this thread in the light.

Remember to follow the site rules and this thread will remain, if rules are broken, I'll have to clean it again. But don't worry. as the official gay thread of simtropolis it will remain, and I will not delete it, nor close it.

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Thanks Ash . You are deffinetly one of the best mods on here. Ill try to stay clean

[choco1 4]

hey all. I think that its great that there is a gay thread on simtrop. I don't have anything too interesting to talk about but I just wanted to say that I think marrage should be simply a right of human beings and that all people should be entitled to it. So yeah, have fun!

[insert_name_here 1]

Well hey there all, I've just come across this thread and what a mighty interesting read through it has been. It's nice to know that there is such an active gay community within Simtropolis and I was wanting to know 'Can I join?'.

Yes inbetween work, and everything else I do to while away the days, I sometimes find the time to be gay.

I've been a bit dismayed by some of the things people have posted in this topic (I can only wonder what Ash has edited out! ) But it is nice to see how sensible and mature the majority of people have been while dealing with this subject. We are all aware how much prejudice, bigotry and malice that is still out there in the big wide world, and that many people have to tolerate it in every way, shape and form. Whether it is constant bullying from others at school, work or out in the general public - people who don't understand, fear - it is in human nature to do so. However unfortunate that is, we must still pericevere, many societies have now developed such an undertsanding and respect, even much so that 10 years ago, there was a massive difference in the attitudes shown toward gay people compared to today.

I come from (as many other Britons and those who know the economic systemics of Great Britain) a small, hardened,  ex-mining community in Yorkshire, where the greatest passion is rugby. I felt so alone when I was going through school, and it took me a long time to realise who I was, and even when I knew - I was still so scared of people knowing. Other people who came out at school were constantly mocked, and I stood sheepishly in the background and watched as it happened, not wanting to be like them.

I was about 17 or 18 when I first started telling people, and everyone was so good about it. I have had no negative come back from it and it feels so good to be liberated in the way that I am - I'm out and I'm proud. Even people who I thought I would never tell, because of their views on homosexuality have been so supportive, I feel I have been one of the lucky ones. And you know what? It's not because of my sexuality - it's because I am <<name deleted>> - I am me, and thats who people want to know. Being gay is just something that comes with being me.

And for all those people who think they can spot a gay person a mile off, who think that they're that good. Tell you something, I'm a tough cookie to spot. Hell, I'm a technician by day - a part time copper by night, and when I get time I'm in the Royal Air Force Reserve. Not very gay careers now are they. I go out and drink pints, I'm one of the lads - but I'm pround to be who I am.

Wow, I've waffled on a bit there, but I just wanted to say my piece.

[GingerBlokey 30]

Wow INA. I think I must be really lucky. Where I come from, Great Yarmouth, a small costal resort on the east coast, people are very liberal and as I have said I have not had much trouble.

Yes of course you can join this group is open to everyone. And congratulations on finally coming out.

[6underground 11]

Insert_name_here, what you said isn't that surprising (well for me anyway), That part about being a part time copper reminded me of a slightly humourous thing back in uni last year, i was out with one of my male housemates in Pontypridd, doing food shopping as you do, (students need food too y'know ), anyhoo mad on doughnuts as i am, i went into the local greggs bakery and waited in the que, after a few seconds of looking around, my Gaydar went to red alert, for the most unsuspecting of targets.. A police officer. Yeah i know, what people are thinking,t's all in your head.. blah blah blah, but standing in the que with him making glances at me, it raised my suspicions, well this stunning polieman got his stuff, and on the way out looked me straight in the eyes smiled and walked away.. I tell you all i need is the rest of the YMCA squad.. but where can i find an Indian in Britian?

[GingerBlokey 30]

Oooh sounds hot. Ill tell you what alot of those kids that do the trolly service on Arriva Trains Wales are phwoar.