Virgin Shores

[Tia-may 0]

Good detailed proposal. It is definitely easy to go straight ahead with it, as this is just a game and not a world where you have to go through all the planning permission. If it will improve the city, go for it!

[Chappington 131]

DTP: I realize my conversion was fairly inaccurate, because I was avoiding doing any real math. But the idea's still there.

As far as fast food places in a small radius, after seeing the other evidence put forward, I guess there are places with identical fast food restaurants within a short radius. Still, I don't think we need it in Virgin Shores yet.

[deathtopumpkins 43]

Poll Results so far:

Ntq$310: I know.

Hampi: Thanks. That's what I hoped. There's a version in plain old photobucket in addition to the gmap one that should be best for planning.

That's why I'm putting it to a vote: Differing opinions.

Patricius Maximus: Thanks for addressing that.

I kinda think so too, but some people disagree, so thus the poll.

Tia-may: Thanks.

I prefer to go through all the planning. I think that's what sets this CJ apart.

Splime: That is what approximations are for.

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Forgot to mention it, but back on page 31 TimeMaster made the 900th post. Now we're only 40 away from 1000!

[Gunnster3 0]

In light of the fast food issue, I feel that I have to comment.

First, limitations of any type go contrary to basic economics. A thriving economy will naturally lend itself to expansion of quick-order restaurants to cater to the busier populus. If demand is present for such establishments, entrepreneurs will seek to open fast food restaurants to profit from that demand, which is good for the economy because it creates low-end jobs, decreasing unemployment and generating taxable revenues within that economy. Low-end jobs are a necessity in any economy to keep employment high among lower educated citizens that are unqualified for other jobs.

Second, SC4 doesn't take any of the health factors into account as it pertains to types of restaurants (it'd be cool if it did, or if someone wrote a mod that added that aspect to the simulation, but that's not currently the case).

Finally, in the attempt at promoting realism in this region, it only seems reasonable that there be an excessive number of fast-food restaurants. Speaking of excessive numbers of establishments, it seems like Starbucks needs to open up a location on every street corner (see: https://www.simtropolis.com/stex/index.cfm?id=4040).

That's just my two cents.

[TimeMaster 4]

You do not understand.

Ordinance: A Fast Food Restaurant may only build one of their brand within the space of a "Small City Tile"

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Naturally people disagree. That's why we have voting.

TimeMaster: I do understand the ordiance. To limit the number of fast food restaurants per city tile, be it small, medium, or large. If you should have a limit of any kind, it should be based on population, not a land area. It deprives people of choice. If they choose to be healthy, they will abstain from the restaurants. People do not need the government to tell them what they eat or how much they should weigh.

[rct3twins 14]

Ahh, excellent. I'm for the wind farm and against the fast food limits.

[TimeMaster 4]

People can be obese if they want to then. I will just have to with fat people with low life expectantancy. Ordinance closed.

[Ntq€310 1]

But this is simcity 4, there are no obese peple in simcity 4.

[Hampi 54]

and the fast food restaurants doesn't have any affect on people's health in sim city either!

[Patricius Maximus 236]

People can be obese if they want to. Government has no place in this. I'm glad it was struck down. Governmental profiling based on a Body Mass Index or Weight is one of the steps on the road to totalitarian rule and oppression.

Anyway, enough of politics. Looking forward to that wind farm.

Patricius Maximus,

Head of the Department of Transportation

[Ntq€310 1]

yea the wind farm will be nice, were using some very nice windmills, that will produce a amazing amount power, since they are very big windmills. This is actually a very good and big step to diversing the pwoer supply of the area.

Now a good question is how big the wind farm is going to be?

[sedimenjerry 1]

As long as theres a chick fil a somewhere, I'm happy.

[supercity124 8]

If you propose a wind farm offshore, many ships will hit the large windmills and knock them down, and also it will may block the ship's navigation path, So I will vote against that proposal.

[Gunnster3 0]

supercity124: I'm sure that any channel would be diverted to avoid the wind farm. I have confidence in our Mayor and city planners to avoid such a basic issue.

[TimeMaster 4]

I am so exasperated. I like being the DHE, but I want to make a difference so that people will be encouraged, not forced to eat healthier.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

I have a development to propose on Coast Highway. 

DTP, your map of the area is fantastic for planning. I'm glad you made it.

I submit my plan to the Planning Department for approval.

Patricius Maximus,

Head of the Department of Transportation

[ericlewis91 0]

For MCDONALDS

https://www.simtropolis.com/stex/index.cfm?id=1241

or

https://www.simtropolis.com/stex/details.cfm?id=11053&v=1

thanks

Can I own this mcdonalds..?

[ericlewis91 0]

for the KFC

this one

https://www.simtropolis.com/stex/details.cfm?id=20244&v=1

[TimeMaster 4]

ericelewis: Thanks, but we alredy have the KFC. and... I dont want very many more fast food restaurants until we get more people... like 6 fast foods, then wait for the city to grow.

[Follarch 327]

I'm seeing many proposals for things to be done in Virgin Shores. I guess this is what goes on in my mind when i'm building by myself, but expect on a much wider scale. lol

And supercity, you need to work on your proposing tone, it sounds a bit demanding and I know DTP and the Planning Head won't like it. Be more friendly and make it sound like your idea is just a suggestion, cause in the end its really their choice.

[TimeMaster 4]

Well I guess I cant make a difference. I will have to live with people eating unhealthy. Also, the wind farm is ok. It might spoil the beatiful ocean scene, but it looks good otherwise.  Also, I wish you would stop making proposals there, I think they spoil the library scene.  What about the other KFC on Main Street?  That one looked ok.

[crazyarchitect 7]

OMG, I'm gone for a day and a half, and all holy hell breaks loose in here lol.  Proposals and arguments and everything in between.

Anyways, awesome updates as usual, and yes SG has a park pack heres a link to them.

This also has trails we could use for Greta's Reserve

Hampi:  a park in your new development would be a great addition to the area.

If I was here, I would have voted for the offshore wind farms, and yes they would have diversion channels for the ships, and against the ordinence with the fast food.  I understand what Timemaster was trying to do, but there are different ways of doing things, I'll leave it at that.

WOW, a new highway, that looks great.  Also, I saw about the beaches, that's great that they'll be extending to the south.  I propose that we put some to the north, toward Patricius's new development.  I think that does it.

Feel free to PM me if I forgot anything.

Thanks,

crazyarchitect aka (Shane Boxx)

Dept. of Recreation, Virgin Shores

CEO, Lunchbox INTL. Holdings Inc. 

[TimeMaster 4]

Crazyarchitect: ... I dont download much... just got NAM and a few buildings. But I like putting the realism into Virgin Shores, and I want to encourage people eat healthier, but not force them to. Then they would have a healthier live.

TimeMaster

[Gunnster3 0]

TimeMaster: I was thinking about your plight and I think I have the answer.  I can't speak for all of the fast food restaurants, but it seems that most are considered CS§.  Bearing this in mind, you have a great way to control them as Head of Department of Health and Education, though, because of the politics, it must be indirect.  One of the factors that affects demand for certain levels of development, as you well know, is EQ.  My suggestion is push for a really great, well-rounded education system.  

In doing so, demand for CS§ will fall (which, essentially means demand for fast food restaurants).  The implicit cause of this is the fact that well-educated people will, in theory, have a better understanding of how to maintain their health via a healthy diet and avoid such eateries, thus decreasing demand for them.  Furthermore, well-educated people will, generally, have higher incomes, which will create demand for higher quality restaurants (whether that's healthier or not depends on the restaurant, of course), or, so far as the game calculates it, higher wealth commercial services. 

In short, don't fret.  You do have a way to control this constructively.  If anything, this element within the game engine should show just how accurate the simulation really is.  I'm rather impressed by the Maxis folks.  Finally, it should show you just how much power you hold in your position.  When you're in control of education, you're in control of the future of Virgin Shores and its attractiveness to high wealth businesses and industries.  

[EDIT] By the way, since we're doing all of this fast-food stuff, why don't we just go all out and get a Wal-Mart too?  Does this not also cater to the middle and lower classes?

[supercity124 8]

The KFC Restaurant on Main Street and Ferry Street is pefect. Construction should start soon. I proposed that yesterday.

[Ntq€310 1]

time master i dont really want to continue this debate, but to tell you banning the development of fastfood resturants will do nothing for health, it wont raise life expatancy, it wont help out the hospitals, and in simcity there are not obese sims,the resturants areant caculated into health levels.

And supercity, when proposing something dont act like it's set in stone, state why you would like i tthere, and then wait for planning and dtp to decide.

[TimeMaster 4]

Yes, but please dont build the one next to library. It would look really weird, and I would rather not have two restaurants near each other.

Anyways... where is Hampus High School? I could never find it on Education Data View.

[deathtopumpkins 43]

Sorry I've been pretty absent today guys, I was gone pretty much all day. (But I accidently left IE7 open, so it may have appeared like I was online.

I've got the poll results with me (though I haven't physically closed it yet-that'll come right after this goes through)

It looks like we'll be building an offshore wind farm, but not limiting the number of fast food restaurants.

Anyway, I should get to update tonight or tomorrow, but I'll do some

for now.

Gunnster3: Yes yes, we know, bad for the economy, not sim-relevant, etc. etc. It was voted down anyway.
Already got that Starbucks in-game anyway. Hardly ever grows. Do they really have them everywhere where you live? Here, we only have one in the city, and it's inside the grocery store, and then there's a recently built one in the middle-of-nowhere.

TimeMaster: Really? You told me in PM a medium city tile, and in your original proposal you said a large.

Right on, Patricius!

rct3twins: Vote in the poll on page 1?

TimeMaster: Stop complaining. 1) SC4 2) Not your responsibility, even as Head of the DHE. It's the sims'.

Ntq$310 and Hampi: Points taken.

Patricius Maximus: And we wouldn't want that, now would we?  I agree with you completely, government has no right meddling in our personal affairs, which is why I hate living in the US so much.

Ntq$310: They really are nice windmills, aren't they. Thanks for linking me to them.
Not sure yet. However big you need.

sedimenjerry: Oooh... Chik-fil-A...

supercity124: You don't have to worry about that, as they're not in any shipping channel. Besides, that never happens to RL offshore windmills (correct me if I'm wrong), as they're so big ships see them from a long way away, and have plenty of time to navigate around them.

Gunnster3: Thanks.

TimeMaster: Virginites DO eat pretty healthily.

Patricius Maximus: Did the DOT ever notice my proposal in the last update to pave Frontier Rd.? Just wondering, as you haven't mentioned it.
That proposal seems appropriate, so I don't think the Planning Committee will oppose.

ericlewis91: Sure, with the Planning Committee's approval.
I like the second one best.

TimeMaster; Actually, we didn't, as supercity's link didn't work, and he never gave a new one after I pointed it out.

supercity124: Can we please either let something develop there on it's own, or plop a small park or something to complement the library? Plus that's only about a block from the other proposal.

Archean: Yep. Busy with requests, but no Planning Committee around to approve them!

TimeMaster: Agree, agree, and agree.

crazyarchitect: Got the park pack now , thanks for the link.
True, but I was thinking Peg's MTP trails would fit in much better.
I'll get to that eventually.
You could have still voted when you made that post.
The beaches are extending? When did that happen? I thought it was just the boardwalk.

TimeMaster: Wow. I got almost 2 gigs.

Gunnster3: Or, to make it necessary for them to be outlawed, we open up the .sc4lot file and change the values for a health effect to be negative, thereby bringing down area HQs and necessitating a limit. And currently there's about 11000 demand for CS§, so I don't forsee that stopping any time soon.
Nice post though, and your theory should (theoretically as it's just a theory), work, but you do have to take into effect the other factors that influence demand for CS§.
No Wal-Mart! They're evil! Now a target on the other hand, I might consider.

[Ntq€310 1]

i believe he was looking at my proposal to extend them south, i think on page 32. Thouhg i think you and the planning department still need to approve, there are many nice beaches around the stx too if you need.