Solving the World's Problems

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: Frankie_Grove 

Originally posted by: Palpatine001 Some one has a grudge with the Federal Reserve Bank

Hey wait - Frankie did u save the FRB was private not a division of the Public service?quote>

Exactly Palp, everyone thinks it is a public sector, but it is private...get that..a private company controling our nation's money..and in effect our laws and foregin policy.quote>

 

Well, technically, it's quasi-government, like most of the bank regulatory agencies.   but that's another story.

[belfastuniguy 18]

Originally posted by: The Terminator Speaking of Israel, the county should be immediately toppled. and replaced with a Secular nation where both sides have equal influence.

My List:

Abolish the EU

Free Northern Ireland

Abolish the British Monarchy

Set stronger anti-discrimination laws in France. and deport all vehement racists like Bridgette Bardot

Lower the Drinking age in Italy, oh wait, its already set at Birth there, nevermind GO ITALIA!!

Abolish the Euro, and replace with a currency backed by the gold standard

Get Putin out of Power in Russia, make any form of Communism in Russia illegal

Euthanize Thatcher, and pretend she never existed.

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EXCUSE ME........ Northern is is a free country. The people of Northern Ireland are part of the United Kingdom and will remain so until the day the PEOPLE of NORTHERN IRELAND decide otherwise. I really detest people from outside either Northern Ireland, United Kingdom or Ireland somehow thinking they have a right to preach to us how our country should be run. I might also add, that particular statement shows a perfect misunderstanding of the process going on here and I would prefere if misinformed individuals did not rant about whether they believe Northern Ireland is a 'free' nation or not. That statement has really, really annoyed me.

Secondly why should we abolish the British Royal Family, why stop there, why not call for every European Royal Family to be abolished, again that will be a decision for EUROPEANS and not you. I really don't understand why some Americans have a problems with European Royal Families. Thirdly why abolish the EU??

I won't pretend that Thatcher was perfect or did nothing wrong. But she lead market reforms in the United Kingdom that lead to the UK no longer being a poor man of Europe, drowning in it's excessive public sector and nationalised industry. Those reforms lead to this country finding it's place on the economic stage again. Again you show a misunderstanding of our former Prime Minister.

[Duke87 1,070]

Well, for a lot of Irish people, Northern Ireland being part of the UK is a big sore spot, as it's leftover from when the British invaded and conquered all of Ireland. The only reason it's remained part of the UK is because there are now more English/Scottish Immigrants there than natural Irish, and that too is something a lot of Irish don't like. They feel as though their territory is being encroached on (and somewhat rightfully so). Their claim to that land is that it was theirs before the British Empire took it over, and therefore it's rightly theirs as it was theirs first.

Another interesting factor, though, is that the very existence of the IRA is helping to keep Northern Ireland part of the UK, since nobody wants to give a terrorist organization what they want. The best thing they could possibly do to help get Northern Ireland back would to disband themselves.

[LivingInThePast 364]

Originally posted by: The Terminator Abolish the FOX TV Network, and take Rush Limbaugh off of radio.quote>

OK...I know that you have completely different views than me...and I can't argue that...but taking down right-wing media while leaving left-wing media, ie CNN is kind of one-party communist. I mean, didn't you want communism illegal? Or is that just in Russia?

[LivingInThePast 364]

I mean, seriously, this thread is going nowhere. Killing people and going for extremist governments will make problems a whole lot worse.

[saltandsauce 0]

point one you can't abolish a currency and make another one which is exactly the same as the Euro except the value of it is determined by the gold industry (very powerful)

2 although the queen does seemingly nothing you do realise she is the person who stops the prime minister from being the head of state if the prime minister WAS the head of state then things would go down the lavvy pan tha fact that the queen needs the politicians to make legislation for her to approve of and the fact that the prime minister needs her approval means there is essentially no top single person in sol power that is the magic of a consitutional monarchy

2 people are diffrent people need to accept that but the reason things like the BNP and parties like that are gaining support is because immigrants are taking away (benefits) and giving nothing back (striking and shouting stuff like behead all those who insult islam) if i emigrated i would live by the saying when in rome do as the romans do

those two cultures clash on so many levels its hard to expect either side to get on

at all so don't be a hippie saying "we are all one la la la laaaah"

as for eurovision i think we should keep it because western europe always plays to lose only eastern europe bothers to submit anything unbelievably bad/cheesy

[beebs 129]

Originally posted by: The Terminator

Just let Quebec become their own damn country, havent they given you enough trouble?quote>

Last time I checked, Quebeckers voted in a referendum, by a majority, to stay IN Canada. Ottawa hasn't stopped Quebec from leaving once, I don't believe.

Abolish the British Monarchyquote>

I'm curious as to how that would help solve the worlds problems.

Abolish the Euro, and replace with a currency backed by the gold standardquote>

I'm curious too, what is so wonderful about the gold standard. I was under the impression that most countries moved away from the gold standard for a reason..

Abolish the Olympics, no one cares about them anywayquote>

I, and the millions (billions?) of people who watch it worldwide do.

Disarm all Nukes

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Best thing you've said all day!

[Voar Tok 4]

Originally posted by: beebs

Originally posted by: The Terminator

Abolish the Euro, and replace with a currency backed by the gold standardquote>

I'm curious too, what is so wonderful about the gold standard. I was under the impression that most countries moved away from the gold standard for a reason..quote>

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[belfastuniguy 18]

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Originally posted by: Duke87 Well, for a lot of Irish people, Northern Ireland being part of the UK is a big sore spot, as it's leftover from when the British invaded and conquered all of Ireland. The only reason it's remained part of the UK is because there are now more English/Scottish Immigrants there than natural Irish, and that too is something a lot of Irish don't like. They feel as though their territory is being encroached on (and somewhat rightfully so). Their claim to that land is that it was theirs before the British Empire took it over, and therefore it's rightly theirs as it was theirs first.

Another interesting factor, though, is that the very existence of the IRA is helping to keep Northern Ireland part of the UK, since nobody wants to give a terrorist organization what they want. The best thing they could possibly do to help get Northern Ireland back would to disband themselves. quote>

 

Actually Northern Ireland was created when the 'Irish' created the Irish Free State that did not include Northern Ireland which at the time was overwhelming Unionist and as such they did not want Northern Ireland. I would also add that the majority of the current day citizens of the Irish Republic also do not want Northern Ireland as part of the Irish state and nor do most care to be honest, the majority of people in Northern Ireland, both Protestant and Catholic wish to remain part of the United Kingdom, for your information.

The IRA disbaning will not somehow magically result in Northern Ireland becoming 'FREE'. They are no longer involved in conflict and that has allowed Sinn Fein to become involved in Northern Irish Government. That is current position the people of Northern Ireland want and have voted for. Yes there are some that want to be part of a united island, but the majority do not and Northern Ireland is a democracy.

What we do not want are people from outside Northern Ireland pretaining to be 'aware' of the situation and what they think the people here want or need. Those decisions will be made solely by the Northern Irish population and not by misinformed individuals that have read about Northern Ireland or seen it on TV.

[Yoman3 5]

Disarm nukes = Bad idea, terrible weapons indeed, but whats to stop the super powers from invading everyone again like in the 19th century and before 1945? I believe it prevented the third world war between the USSR and the US also.

[ilikehotdogsalot 308]

those things you mentioned are very trivial compared to problems found in latin america, africa, middle east and asian countries.

this is how the world's problems can be solved:

1. remove hunger

2. provide world peace

3. remove poverty

unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to achieve that.

here in the united states, i can get a free education, food, clean water and jobs/work for when i grow up, i can also live in a safe area. i was shocked when i visited brazil how i couldn't wear a polo or a nice pair of jeans when out in the city because of risk of bringing attention to myself...all the hillsides slums and favelas suprised me, aswell as how expensive everything is, and brazil/rio de janeiro is a fairly nice city compared to other places in africa, etc. some people would do anything to move into a european country, or the united states and canada. most of the world lives in poverty with no clean water, or food, and have to worry about getting food and water instead of worrying how badly the nasdaq and dow jones is doing.

[autoVino 26]

this is the main problem... human nature.  if that can be solved, all other problems would dissapear.  When one has a bit of money, they want more and are not willing to give it away for fear of not getting more.

But I'm personally not ready to give up my human nature, life doesn't work that way, and this way the problem grows.

[drevilshenchman 4]

Danlikebooks:  While your intentons seem just, the ramifications of what you are suggesting would be far greater than the benefits.>>

First, lace>Americalace> must pull out of lace>Iraqquote>

lace>>>

Whether you agree or disagree with the politics for why we entered lace>Iraqlace>, leaving would leave a vaccuum of power which would only be filled by those more radical and more dangerous than the regime we removed.>>

All of the 1st world countries must distribute it's money and resources among all 3rd world countries, therefore becoming 2nd world countries.quote>

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   The first problem with that point is that the term "third world country"  simply refers to a country that did not ally with either the Soviets or the Usa during the cold war. Since most of thesecountries were poverty stricken and underdeveloped the term has come to be interpreted (and incorrectly) as a poor Nation.

     That aside, redistribution of wealth to poorer Nations, while honorable in principle, is iimpracticle in practice.  Attempting this communist theory on the entire world would be impossible b/c all the wealthier Nations would naturally refuse.

All Nuclear weapons and biological weapons should be disarmed immediately and all weapons should slowly be banned (now Cheney can't "accidently" kill his friends anymore) except for the authorities to keep peace. quote>

This too, while honorable in principle, is impossible to execute.  How could it be possible to disarm the entire world.  Especially since you have aloud for "authorities" to be the exception.  What exactly defines "authority"?  Is this the police force?  Granted, they do have authority, but doesn't a country itself also wield authority?  The only thing more rediculous than taken away weapens enitrely is taken them away from most people hoping that those that do have the weapons use them honorably.

This solution would delve the world into war and chaos and would put the world in far deeper trouble.  A much more moderate approach is necessary

[Duke87 1,070]

Okay, allow me to address my cousin's statements point by point:

Originally posted by: The Terminator Speaking of Israel, the county should be immediately toppled. and replaced with a Secular nation where both sides have equal influence.quote>

A nice idea, but I question the stability of such a nation. Palestinians are going to continue hating Jews no matter what the local political situation is. Any peace achieved is doomed to be temporary, for as long as both groups continue to coexist on this Earth, they'll be fighting each other. The same goes for Sunnis and Shiites. The problem simply isn't solvable.

Hilary Clinton should be 86ed. She is just pure EVIL.quote>

I hate Hillary as much as you, but she has every right to run for office if she so wishes... and well, nobody's forcing anyone to vote for her. I know I won't.

Universal Healthcare in The US would be nice too, hopefully we can find a non-governmental way to achieve that.quote>

I doubt a non-governmental way of achieving that exists. Fact is, most countries that have universal healthcare don't have healthcare that's that great, since by making it the same for everyone, you make it very lacking in quality. There was a British woman who in some accident at Disney World ended up breaking her neck. The British healthcare system refused to pay for her to have the necessary surgery in the US, so they put her neck in a brace, and put her on a plane back to England to get it... completely ignoring the significant risk of further injury from such a trip. Their idea of giving her better treatment was to upgrade her ticket to first class. And then, once home, she had to wait on line to get her surgery, whereas if she had went and gotten it in Florida, she could have had it the very same day she got hurt. But the bill was beyond her financial scope and since her country has national healthcare she had no health insurance... and, not being American, she didn't think of the obvious answer of suing Disney for the damages. Point being, standard systems where there's no competition get things done "good enough" by everyone and that's it, but a free market system like the US employs where there's lots of competition makes people strive to do the very best they can. And besides, if a homeless bum on the street comes to the emergency room for some reason, he isn't denied the care he needs. The government merely provides the bare minimum to those who can't afford it. And anyone who has health insurance (read: most people in the country, since most employers give it as a benefit) gets high quality treatment. No national healthcare system will ever be superior to it, especially since the demand for healthcare is potentially infinite. No matter what, you can always find some other silly thing you need treatment or a doctor's visit for (this is especially true with old people). A free market system can satisfy a lot more of that.

The American Border's should be opened, so we can stay true to that poem on the base of the Statue of Liberty, and we can finally get rid of the sordid White majority, and hopefully in time, there will be no such thing as White People, Or Black People, Or Hispanics or Native Americans or Asians or whatever other racial divides there are, and we can all just be people.quote>

Removing quotas on immigration I support, but you still need border checkpoints and customs to make sure no terrorists are trying to sneak into the country and whatnot....

The Electoral College should go, and power should be wrangled out of the hands of the Rich and Privileged and given back to the people by banning lobbying and keeping the Market and Government as two separate entities. quote>

I definitely agree with getting rid of the electoral college and simply electing the president by popular vote, but banning lobbying isn't going to happen, and for good reason. The first amendment guarantees people's right to do it. You know, the whole "free speech" thing?

Abolish the federal reserve, and replace it with a currency backed by the gold standardquote>

I don't claim to be knowledgeable enough on this issue to take a stance.

Support for the Free State Project should be bolstered, and New Hampshire should secede from the Union.quote>

Ah, the pet project of all the radical libertarian anarchist types. Somehow, it doesn't seem practical to me, or a good idea. This world would get along better with fewer nations, not more. More countries just means more borders to secure and more entities to fight over things. Let's see if we can't just fix the whole US instead.

Abolish the FOX TV Network, and take Rush Limbaugh off of radio.quote>

You do realize that that's exactly the opposite of Libertarianism right there. We may not agree with what those people have to say, but they have just as much of a right to free speech as we do.

Get rid of Samuel Alito, John Roberts and Clarance Thomasquote>

That depends either on congress impeaching them or them retiring or dying. And I wouldn't rule out the former as a possibility if the Democrats get a larger majority in congress...

Lower the Drinking age to 17, Lower the smoking age to 16quote>

I'd more be in favor of making it so you had to be 18 to buy or sell them, but have there be no age requirement for possession of them. People under 18 are still minors and thus subordinate to their parents/guardians after all....

Stop the Illegal NSA Wiretapping, And Abolish the patriot Act, the TSA and Department of homeland security. End Police Oppression in Poor Areas, by starting neighborhood copwatches. quote>

I'll definitely agree that the wiretapping is wrong and the security at airports does get rediculous at times. But scrapping the department of homeland security completely seems like going too far in the other direction to me. As for ending police oppression, that takes initiative by the city to hold officers accountable for any misconduct. Something which isn't quite a priority in a lot of places, since a lot of people don't exactly mind a few thugs getting excessively roughed up if it means safer streets.

Lift the embargo on cubaquote>

With you 100% there. The Embargoes have done nothing toward getting Castro out of power and we've been holding them for how many decades now? Enough is enough.

Pull out of Iraq and every other nation the US has troops in.quote>

Iraq, yes. The place is going fal into total civil war once we do, but our presence isn't improving things, anyway. The real issue is we need to get back on focus towards catching Osama and his colleagues... the trouble is it's highly suspected they're all in Pakistan now, but the Pakistani government denies it and, them being a supposed ally of ours and a Nuclear nation, we don't exactly want to force the issue with them lest they decide to plant a few mushroom clouds here.

Prime Minister Stephan Harper must be ran out of Canada, and a a new PM should be fairly elected. The First Nations should also have guaranteed representation in Parliament, and the First Nations reliance on the Canadian Government lessened, the First Nations should be given guaranteed equal rights as white Canadians, not just handing them new provinces to silence their cries and ignoring their plight.quote>

Another issue I have little knowledge about, so no comment here.

I would like to see what happened at Oka in 1990, Happen everywhere. quote>

I bet you would. Certainly would make governements think twice before using Eminent domain, but then again, that could also end up meaning that necessary infrastructure projects don't get done or get severely delayed because the people who live in the path of the planned rail line, school, or whatever decide to get hostile about it.

get CTV to cancel Degrassi, that show is just horrible sexist, racist, sensationalist classist garbage. quote>

Yeah, that show is a bit too preppy for my tastes, too. But nobody's forcing us watch it, so it's not a problem.

Make the Toronto Transit Commission a private entity, and LOWER THE DAMN FARES!!!! $2.75 for a Streetcar ride is INSANE!quote>

That is steep. But consider that making it a private entity may only drive the fares higher since that's what they'd need to be for the company to turn a profit. Private entities don't get the benefit of tax dollars, after all.

Stop Police Oppression in poor neighborhoods, such as the Jane-Finch Corridor in Toronto, and Winnipeg's North End. revoke the Police's agent of landlord in Ontario Public Housing.quote>

Same as in the US. Takes local initiative which just isn't there.

Canadian Idol Sucks, Cancel it too. While where at It, get rid of CTV entirely, they suck.quote>

Yes, it sucks. But it has every right to exist. And again, nobody's forcing you to watch it. So just don't.

Lessen Border security, so Disenfranchised Americans can get in easier.quote>

I was under the impression that Canadian customs were already very loose and lax, especially when compared to the corresponding US customs.

Lower the Drinking age in all provinces to 17, and the smoking age to 16.quote>

See US note on this.

Just let Quebec become their own damn country, havent they given you enough trouble?quote>

As has been stated, the people of Quebec have yet to vote to secede. Nobody's stopping them but themselves.

Abolish the EUquote>

Why?

Free Northern Irelandquote>

I've already discussed this.

Abolish the British Monarchyquote>

I do agree that having the monarchy still is rather silly, but the people of Britain don't think so, and it's their country, so....

Set stronger anti-discrimination laws in France. and deport all vehement racists like Bridgette Bardotquote>

Anti-discrimination laws yes. Deporting no. Free speech again.

Lower the Drinking age in Italy, oh wait, its already set at Birth there, nevermind GO ITALIA!!quote>

Yes, and their culture doesn't pit getting wasted as the ultimate college experience. So it's not a problem there, but it would be here.

Abolish the Euro, and replace with a currency backed by the gold standardquote>

Why not just back the Euro by the gold standard if that's the problem?

Get Putin out of Power in Russia, make any form of Communism in Russia illegalquote>

Well, the Russians did elect him... And while I'm no fan of communism, it's understandable why so many Russians like it considering their country was a world power under communism and the fall of communism brought about the end of that status...

Euthanize Thatcher, and pretend she never existed.quote>

That's murder. Killing is wrong.

Stop Predatory Socialism, Eliminate Chavez and Castro, and follow the Sandinista's example.quote>

Ah yes. Like we did in Iraq. Right.

Get rid of Western Companies in all Latin American nations, same goes for Africa and Asia.quote>

Why? Those companies have every right to do business in any nation that will let them. Besides, there are Asian companies in the western world, too....

Abolish the UNquote>

Frankly I think the UN needs to be fixed from it's currently broken and mostly useless state, not trashed.

Abolish the Olympics, no one cares about them anywayquote>

What's wrong with the olympics? Besides, plenty of people do care. It's just that not enough of them travel to where they're taking place to fill the seats in the stadium, preffering to watch on TV. And While I daresay a lot moe people care about the NFL or MLB than the olympics, saying no one cares is inaccurate. Besides, there are countries where more people care than in the US.

Disarm all Nukesquote>

That, unfortunately, is a Utopian idea. It' be nice, but realistically, it's never going to happen.

save the whalesquote>

Can we ban the Eskimos from whaling, then? I see no reason they need to receive special exemption from the law....

bla bla bla

ect.quote>

Indeed.

[belfastuniguy 18]

Abolish the British Monarchyquote>

I do agree that having the monarchy still is rather silly, but the people of Britain don't think so, and it's their country, so....quote>

I fail to see why you think having a monarchy is silly. But as you said we don't think so and it is us that will choose. To be honest I see many European Monarchs as stable statesmen/women for their country and just because the United States has never had one doesn't mean they are silly and not useful. 

This thread is becoming somewhat tedious which continues to inflame people, as it did from the very first and wholly immature post of Danlikebooks (clearly Dan fails to read many books on the matters he decided to bring up). The world is an immensely complex place where poverty and war and whatever else deemed as a problem exists. As many have said, it's all about Human Nature in it's many many forms and that will never change or at least human nature will also dominate how the world is governed/operated and how it is controlled.

[Frankie_Grove 33]

The gold standard should not have been trashed anyway - most people don't realize how fragile unbacked currency really is (that's why inflation is so erratic, as well as exchange rates). The EU should be abolished, however I think that the nations of Europe should continue following the path of not killing each other like they have been doing since the beginning of time.

As for the whole Middle East thing, we are sorta too late to leave now without finishing the job. Although it was kinda rash to go there in the first place. We should have learned from the mistakes of the Europeans who tried to control the Middle East for Decades (think, crusades) and they failed miserably. There was a little bit of success with the French and British, but that matters not.

As for the whole FOX thing, I don't understand why everyone here hates it, I for one like to hear more than one opinion. (Although, CNN sort of wings it when they don't have all the info on a situation). I find the BBC too manipulative, and I don't bother with ABC..Don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see.

As for the presidential election, Hillary..please no, if there must be a Democrat in office, don't let it be her. I think Obama would make a good president, but I don't think he has the experience to do so. Plus, strangely enough, a lot of people will not vote for Obama because he is black, and a lot of people will vote for him only because he is. (Not even caring about the issues at hand either) Not sure what I think of the other candidates. My #1 Choice would be Ron Paul (a Libertarian, but listed as Republican because he has a greater chance with them than as an independent). My political philosophy is this; Republicans have some great ideas, but they are usually not very good at carrying them out, Democrats ideas are not as brilliant to me, but they get a lot more done.

But I am just one person, and this is my opinion, which in the long run does not matter the least bit, and no one really cares about it anyway.

[belfastuniguy 18]

The EU should be abolished, however I think that the nations of Europe should continue following the path of not killing each other like they have been doing since the beginning of time quote>

That's exactly the point of the EU as well as many additional benefits it creates for nations of Europe. If the EU was removed I am pretty sure that the western European nations would not continue giving vast sums to Eastern Europe to assist with economic and infrastructure development. The EU has it's problems but those are by far outweighted by the benefits it has for European trade, economics and stability. It also provides a strong trading bloc against the United States and it's attempt to do what it wants in Europe in reference to trade. The EU is the world's largest and most stable trading, economic and political union and I see it contining for a long time to come. With some changes, but still existing and serving the interests of European nations.

[Frankie_Grove 33]

Originally posted by: belfastuniguy

Abolish the British Monarchyquote>

I do agree that having the monarchy still is rather silly, but the people of Britain don't think so, and it's their country, so....quote>

I fail to see why you think having a monarchy is silly. But as you said we don't think so and it is us that will choose. To be honest I see many European Monarchs as stable statesmen/women for their country and just because the United States has never had one doesn't mean they are silly and not useful. 

This thread is becoming somewhat tedious which continues to inflame people, as it did from the very first and wholly immature post of Danlikebooks (clearly Dan fails to read many books on the matters he decided to bring up). The world is an immensely complex place where poverty and war and whatever else deemed as a problem exists. As many have said, it's all about Human Nature in it's many many forms and that will never change or at least human nature will also dominate how the world is governed/operated and how it is controlled.quote>

Monarchy is considered "silly" because it is the very thing that made the USA break forcefully break away from the UK.

Generally when people hear monarchy they think totalitarian with kings and queens, along with the feudal system of old. Plus I think they are more figureheads now more than anything.

As for talking about Danlikesbooks, please do not refer to other members in that way, he has his own opinions, no matter how they are construed. And it is these personal references that get topics like this closed. (not too sound harsh or anything..)

[belfastuniguy 18]

Originally posted by: Frankie_Grove

Originally posted by: belfastuniguy

Abolish the British Monarchyquote>

I do agree that having the monarchy still is rather silly, but the people of Britain don't think so, and it's their country, so....quote>

I fail to see why you think having a monarchy is silly. But as you said we don't think so and it is us that will choose. To be honest I see many European Monarchs as stable statesmen/women for their country and just because the United States has never had one doesn't mean they are silly and not useful. 

This thread is becoming somewhat tedious which continues to inflame people, as it did from the very first and wholly immature post of Danlikebooks (clearly Dan fails to read many books on the matters he decided to bring up). The world is an immensely complex place where poverty and war and whatever else deemed as a problem exists. As many have said, it's all about Human Nature in it's many many forms and that will never change or at least human nature will also dominate how the world is governed/operated and how it is controlled.quote>

Monarchy is considered "silly" because it is the very thing that made the USA break forcefully break away from the UK.

Generally when people hear monarchy they think totalitarian with kings and queens, along with the feudal system of old. Plus I think they are more figureheads now more than anything.

As for talking about Danlikesbooks, please do not refer to other members in that way, he has his own opinions, no matter how they are construed. And it is these personal references that get topics like this closed. (not too sound harsh or anything..)quote>

 

Well clearly they have based their views on a system of Monarchy that not longer exists in Europe and hasn't for a very very long time and as such such an arguement is outdated and misinformed. I still fail to see convincing arguement as to why Europe or in fact any other nation should not have their monarchy.

Monarchy to many nations represents a huge amount of their history and culture as well as part of their modern identity and just becuase people lack the information to make an informed arguement about modern day constitutional states does not make their royal familes 'silly'. I have also stated that should a change be needed then it will those citizens that make that choice and I'm sure will base it on the proper facts and make intelligent informed decisions.

In relation to Daniikebooks. If he had actually made some informed points in the first place and not just ranted then it's very likely those would have been respected more and all this fuss avoided. Instead we could have had a much more informed and intelligent debate on such important world issues, monarchy and Northern Ireland not being one,. As such he did not and thus all this occured.

[JanYpe 17]

God, am I ever glad you guys aren't running things.

[Barbarossa 51]

Originally posted by: JanYpe God, am I ever glad you guys aren't running things. quote>

You are completely on my wavelength.  You should be paying me rent! 

Barbarossa

[Duke87 1,070]

I say Britain keeping its monarchy is silly because it serves no practical purpose other than tradition. They aren't actually involved in governing the country, they just hang around as figureheads leeching off its tax dollars in a life of obscene wealth.

They'd be much better off if they were detached from the government and shooed of to some estate somewhere. Let them keep their status, but make their kids have to pave their own way in life like everyone else. And turn Buckingham Palace into a museum.

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: Duke87 

I say Britain keeping its monarchy is silly because it serves no practical purpose other than tradition. They aren't actually involved in governing the country, they just hang around as figureheads leeching off its tax dollars in a life of obscene wealth.

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Personally, I agree with you but my British friends see it another way.  They point out that theirs is the only country that hasn't had a civil war in the past 200 years.  So they figure they must be doing something right and intend to keep doing it.

If that is how they want to spend their tax dollars. . .err . . tax pounds . . ., that's their business.

On another note (directed at earlier posts, not this one), let's remember to discuss the issues and not each other.

[LivingInThePast 364]

Is Terminator really Duke's cousin, or is that figurative language?

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: LivingInThePast 

Is Terminator really Duke's cousin, or is that figurative language?quote>

 

Throughout the past 4 years, one thing they have been consistent about is that they are cousins.  As I recall, their mothers are sisters. 

[ILL Tonkso 1,237]

Our Monarchy is part of what britain is. As much as the Industry that fueled are economy, the Railways and Canals that traverse our country. Outsiders may believe it silly but the Queen is the figurehead of British Patriots. She stands before our great flag as an embassador to our Strong and United Kingdom and if anyone else doesnt like it, they can shove off. Its non of their business.

Buckingham Palace and The Mall, something to strike a patriotic chord in all Brits.

[belfastuniguy 18]

Originally posted by: Duke87 I say Britain keeping its monarchy is silly because it serves no practical purpose other than tradition. They aren't actually involved in governing the country, they just hang around as figureheads leeching off its tax dollars in a life of obscene wealth.

They'd be much better off if they were detached from the government and shooed of to some estate somewhere. Let them keep their status, but make their kids have to pave their own way in life like everyone else. And turn Buckingham Palace into a museum.quote>

 

Again you have displayed a total lack of information in regard to our Royal Family. The British Royal Family cost the British Taxpayers £36.7million last year, that's about £0.61 per tax payer or $1.22, so the view that they 'leech' off our taxes is extremely inaccurate and a somwhat grotesque view of our monarchy. I would suggest that before ranting about a subject you know little of, you at least do some reseach into the matter, thus avoiding these replies.

They are detached from government, it's called a Constitutional Monarchy and has been in existance in the United Kingdom from the 17th Century and this country is one of the oldest and most stable democratic nations. Unlike in America where the President seems to be influenced by a myriad of factors, not least religion, something very dangerous and untasteful in politics.

In relation to the children of the Royal Family, many actually do pursue careers and jobs outside of the royal family, those that do not are those that are in-line to the British Throne, and as such must prepare for that role. Which includes trainging with the military, navy and airforce such as Prince William is doing. Prince Charles owns the Duchy Estate which contributes to the economy of south-west england and over £3.5 million in tax revenue.

@ ILL Tonkso: Fabulous Image indeed

[ILL Tonkso 1,237]

What we are saying is that our Monarchy is a part of our Tradition and Culture. The UK has so many cultural traditions, such as Well Dressing, Cheese Racing, Maypole Dancing, Bottle Kicking (which is a game of rugby with 3 barrels of beer instead of a ball, and about 500 players a side. And two streams a mile apart as goals), Nutter Dancing,

[Meg 368]

I think we are getting a little off topic.   This thread is "Solving the World's Problems".    

As far as I know, no one has the British monarchy anywhere near the top of the list of the world's problems.

And, as it has been correctly pointed out, the British monarchy isn't anyone's business but the Brits.

Let's move on.

(That is a cool pic, btw.  I've been there.  )

[belfastuniguy 18]

Actually The Terminator was the person that raised the British Monarchy aspect and made it one of his top 'problems' to be solved in Europe. That's why it's being discussed.

I also however agree we should more on, especially now the arguement for abolising has been proven to be factless, inaccurate and based on 15th Century stereotypical image that some people have of a modern monarchy and thus without grounds.

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