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So I want to make a city as one giant landfill for all my other cities. However, I had a few concerns. Right now, one of my little industrial cities handles all the garbage. With 2 waste to energy plants, the garbage is sitll too much coming in and the neighborhood deals don't make it worth putting up more plants. So the question I have is, how do i make a workable garbage/landfill city?

My current thinking is that I simply haul in everything, maybe not even build waste to energy plants, and simply let my city go over the deep end in debt forever. Is this what everyone else does? I don't see how otherwise considering 1 waste to energy plant can be compensated for 500 tons of trash per month by the income of something like $400 a month, but that leaves another $600 in maintanence costs for the $1000 a month cost of the waste to energy plant. I could sell the energy back or use it but that doesn't really help much.

What does everyone else do? And doesn't this feel like cheating 15.gif

And on a related note, there are a couple of ordinances that reduce the amount of trash generated. Are they worth it? Considering they're expensive ordinances and hauling trash out isn't THAT expensive of a proposition....

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I'd just zone a whole lot of landfills (that is what determines how much garbage you can take in), connect them to other cities and leave the garbage city as it is. Make the neighbour deals through adjacent cities and tada: as long as you dont play the garbage city, all garbage in normal cities will be exported, while it actually never reaches Garbageville 4.gif

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First off, landfills are actually one of the most expensive garbage disposal facilities, because you pay maintenance, even after you stop sending garbage to them. I have calculated the cost of landfills at about $3.3/ton (yes, that much)!!! So a deal, to be profitable must be at least at $3.5/ton. But there is a bug in the cost calculation, which causes the garbage deals (only for landfills) to be priced much-much lower. The emptier the landfills, the lower the price/ton. You will only be getting (or paying) a price close to the actual cost, if the landfills are near or at capacity.

Power plants can't be profitable either, because you normally operate them at 75-80% of the capacity (otherwise they wear fast), but deals are calculated at 10% profit margin, only this is for the amount of electricity actually exported; so a power plant operated at (and selling) 80% of its capacity will only be covering 80 x (1 + 10%) = 88% of its cost.

Except for water pumps and towers, the W2E plant is the only utility type that can actually be profitable, and this is because the cost is calculated twice... once for the trash and another one for the electricity, and this only if you provide them with enough trash, so that they produce power to their potential. And the city must NOT have landfills, otherwise the price will be averaged between the W2E plant and the landfill.

Recycling centers are insanely expensive, costing $350/month for processing just 18 tons of trash, ie ca $20/ton!!! So I never use them. Only if they were heavily modded, like serving 50,000 sims instead of 25,000 and reducing trash by 30-33% instead of 20%, ie lowering the cost to $6-7 ton, could be put into practical use. They would still be the most expensive utility type by far, but some "green" mayor might be willing to pay this. The original one though is a joke.

It's easy to get rid of your trash cheap, just zone some landfills in Garbageville, wait for 1-2 months for the landfills to connect, save the city and exit, and just don't run it anymore. Neighbour cities will be able to sign deals for exporting their trash at ridiculoulsy low prices. Of course, this (exploiting a bug) is a "cheat"...

See my Nuclear Power Plants (also contains a mod affecting neighbour deal prices) and my Incinerator (links in my sig).

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What I use are the PEG garbage dock lots. If you have a coastline, just plop them down and they ship out garbage to dump it in the ocean. The large handles 1000 tons a month, the small handles 500 tons a month.

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Originally posted by: the00guvna

What I use are the PEG garbage dock lots. If you have a coastline, just plop them down and they ship out garbage to dump it in the ocean. The large handles 1000 tons a month, the small handles 500 tons a month.quote>

Which isn't enough for a really big city.  My large city with only about 350000 Sims has overflowed two of the large ones.  I gave up and put in the Black Hole.

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simple solution. reduce funding in powerplant to zero and it will still burn garbage and never decay. Unfortuanatly no power is produced

my 2 cents

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