Mosque to be built by Ground Zero, NYC (Poll)

[Easy Bakes 253]

And i thought Bumble Bee only made Tuna

[hansenawesome15 9]

Well, this is MY opinion: Building a Mosque on the site of Ground Zero is like rubbing dirt into the wound.....but (I'm sure it's been said before) it's not at the site of Ground Zero. It's technically two blocks away. Having it be there, I think it's fine.

[DCMetro34 577]

I was pretty sure the families of 9/11 agreed to let the mosque be built.... 

[Duke of York 23]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

@DOY:  He isn't the IRS, so it is none of his business.  If Americans kept their noses out of places they didn't belong there would be fewer occasions for stupid stories like this.

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 So sure he does not need to do the investigation...But maybe the government should do its job and investigate

Oh and " Americans " keeping there noses out of stuff ? I see plenty of people from other countries ready to jump right into this. Matter of fact plenty of countries love to criticize and play the blame game.

-DOY

[Finkle 14]

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

Originally posted by: Meg

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

Originally posted by: Finkle  Whats all this BS about it not being on Ground Zero, the building they want was hit by one of the planes.quote>

Can you please clarify?  Two buildings were hit, and everyone in the world knows what buildings.  You know, taller than everything else, they swayed in the wind, they defined the NYC skyline...  Perhaps you should rephrase that?

Barbarossa

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umm . . .  two buildings in NYC were hit. 

There were two other planes, one of which hit a lower and sturdier building so it is still standing.

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You misunderstand me!  =)  We are talking about NYC, not the Pentagon, nor the crash in PA.  In NY, only two buildings were hit.  This mosque/community center site was not one of them, as everyone knows.  Unless the poster thinks the Pentagon is in NY and subject to public purchase...  =P

Barbarossa

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The ones on the News said that the wing of one of the planes hit the building, where the Mosque is to be. If a baseball player just tapped the ball its a hit, so the planes might not have hit the building good and hard, but one of the two planes still hit the building.

I still like those that say Freedom of Religion, which religion is that. Christians during Chirstmas, Crosses on the side of the road or in front of a church. Is it the Bill's in the Hillies that want to kiss a snake on sunday. Is it the four white guys or four black guys that get togather in the woods. Maybe it just applies to those that you want it to apply to, because it has never applied to those you don't like. 

All I say is walk a couple more feet and leave Ground 0.

[SimHoTToDDy 2,939]

The ones on the News said that the wing of one of the planes hit the building, where the Mosque is to be. If a baseball player just tapped the ball its a hit, so the planes might not have hit the building good and hard, but one of the two planes still hit the building.quote>

I didn't hear anything of the sort, but I don't pay much attention to this loaf of nonsense. Ok so debris, no matter how little it impacted the event, makes the building emotionally bound to the attacks? So how about the dust that covered literally EVERYTHING afterward? Would that make every building in Manhattan emotionally significant to the event such that it would keep someone from erecting a community center?

All I say is walk a couple more feet and leave Ground 0.quote>

It is already two blocks away, where does ground 0 end and the rest of the planet start?

[Albatross Domain 2]

Here's the problem, we in this country talked freedom of speech, religion, this proposed mosque is further away than a half dozen strip clubs which are only 2 blocks away, and off-site betting parlor one block away, this site being proposed is more than 2 blocks away... Since when has a gambling joint, and Park Ave. Gentleman's Club be "sacred" or "hollowed" ground? We are going backwards more often than forward.

[hym 358]

My two cents: While they have the right to build the structure there, the decision to go ahead with the project shows a profound lack or foresight and/or naivety.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

I always thought that only India had sacred cows.  It appears they show up in other guises in more places than you would expect.  We have people in NYC making big noises about violating the Constitution of the United States.  Yet, when you say something that might be in conflict with that  document, they all go and hide behind it.

I suggest you can't have it two ways.  You either have freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, or you don't.  If you don't, how did that happen?  Its unconstitutional.

[Yoman3 5]

Whichever way you feel on this mosque it can't be argued that it has totally failed in its objective of inter-faith healing and dialogue etc.

[Finkle 14]

I agree Yoman3

Like I have been saying 2 blocks is from my front door to my mailbox, 2 miles is about half way to the nearest town, 20 miles is how far I go to get food and drink. I don't think 2 blocks is that far, I walk the trash up hill at least 2 blocks once a week I get the mail atleast 3 times a week. The UPS man leaves everything up by the barn which is half way from the road to the house, and I get that at least once a week. 2 blocks, I drag fire wood 2 block in 2 feet of snow everyday of the winter, I really don't think 2 blocks is very far.

If you don't watch the news, don't ssay you missed it on there, it just sounds goofy. No I don't think every little ince of the iland should be considered ground 0, I do think some of it should. two blocks is only 240 feet or atleast thats what I heard.

Were not those gent clubs there already, serving the people in the twin towers. Why would a religion want to have sunday school out side of a strip club, that sounds like a better question.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Little bird: Would anyone argue if it were a synagogue?

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Little bird: Would anyone argue if it were a synagogue?

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Of course not. Unless they wanted to build it on the grounds of the Iranian Embassy. 

For most radicals freedom of religion stops when its not thier religon.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Would anyone argue if it were a synagogue?quote>

The point is valid that the arguments against the mosque/community center's construction are uniquely arguments against the construction of a Muslim structure. The argument is easily made that it wasn't Jewish extremists that destroyed the World Trade Center, and Jews do not have a history of building "victory synagogues", but is that what it actually boils down to? Maybe for some, but there is definitely also a bit "Islamophobia" at play here. 

Let's discuss "Islamophobia". It is, technically, racism... but it isn't because the people in question are hateful bigots. That's just rhetoric that's spewed for ideological purposes.

Think about this: when your city and your country suffer a deadly dramatic attack by people who call themselves Muslims, are you going to be made wary of other Muslims as a result of it? Of course. And it doesn't make you a bad person, it's perfectly normal. Such is the nature of human psychology. People are going to make generalizations, and they won't necessarily be fair. This is why it is so easy for a few nutty members of a group to give the entire group a bad name. If the nutty members are what you are most vividly exposed to, you are going to assume they're all like that. Even if you consciously know better, you're fighting your own instinct in doing so. That instinct doesn't just go away.

So, yes, we have an Islamophobia problem, but it isn't our fault. Blame Al Qaeda et. al. for giving Islam a bad name.

[fabricio83tst 27]

Ithink to build a mosque in ground zero NY is the better message USA could send to the world!! And building a mosque there send this message to the world: We are the country of freedom and we respect all religions in the world.

Cause not all muslims are terrorists, and not all white people in usa are KKK!!!!

[DCMetro34 577]

Originally posted by: fabricio83tst

Ithink to build a mosque in ground zero NY is the better message USA could send to the world!! And building a mosque there send this message to the world: We are the country of freedom and we respect all religions in the world.

Cause not all muslims are terrorists, and not all white people in usa are KKK!!!!quote>

Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists......which is why I cannot wrap my mind around why some people who are so pro-freedom won't allow this......

Is it pro-freedom for only the people you choose.....is that in the Constitution?

DC

[bourneid 13]

This whole deal has gotten totally out of hand...    let then build it....     and did you all hear that a mosque and community center was set on fire in Tenn....    what the hell is wrong with us in the US.    I dont personally believe in god... but it is one of the most fundimental rights that we have as americans...   how can that not be any more clear... 

[bourneid 13]

This whole deal has gotten totally out of hand...    let then build it....     and did you all hear that a mosque and community center was set on fire in Tenn....    what the hell is wrong with us in the US.    I dont personally believe in god... but it is one of the most fundimental rights that we have as americans...   how can that not be any more clear... 

[Finkle 14]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Little bird: Would anyone argue if it were a synagogue?

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Yes. Was not a Greek Orthodox Church knocked down, and they can’t rebuild yet, but a Muslim temple is fast tracked through the court system. Now I know Greek Orthodox are not Jewish, but when I ask what they are I get they are like Jews they have many rules and customs.

[Finkle 14]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Little bird: Would anyone argue if it were a synagogue?

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Yes. Was not a Greek Orthodox Church knocked down, and they can’t rebuild yet, but a Muslim temple is fast tracked through the court system. Now I know Greek Orthodox are not Jewish, but when I ask what they are I get they are like Jews they have many rules and customs.

[Barbarossa 51]

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[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

This might belong in the House of Worship, but the Greek Orthodox church is the Catholic Church descended from the Byzentine part of the Roman Empire.  They have their own Metropolitan who is the head of the church, but he is on very good terms with the pope.  They have a lot of rituals and customs similar to the old Catholic Church, but most of the stuff was chucked by the Vatican II conference.  Overall, not protestants, just different in ritual and custom dating from the time of Sts. Cyril and Methodius, who also founded the Russian or Eastern Orthodox Church.  Both welcome in Rome.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

This might belong in the House of Worship, but the Greek Orthodox church is the Catholic Church descended from the Byzentine part of the Roman Empire.  They have their own Metropolitan who is the head of the church, but he is on very good terms with the pope.  They have a lot of rituals and customs similar to the old Catholic Church, but most of the stuff was chucked by the Vatican II conference.  Overall, not protestants, just different in ritual and custom dating from the time of Sts. Cyril and Methodius, who also founded the Russian or Eastern Orthodox Church.  Both welcome in Rome.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

Originally posted by: Finkle. Was not a Greek Orthodox Church knocked down, and they can’t rebuild yet, but a Muslim temple is fast tracked through the court system.quote>

if the city is giving the Ortho's a hard time, then it is definitely wrong, but if you can't provide the full details, then we could easily say that it is just because the Ortho's can't raise the dough.quote>

Somehow I think that that Orthodox church is not being given a hard time so much as it is merely bogged down in ordinary red tape. The Muslim facility, meanwhile, is being fast-tracked because a political issue is being made out of it.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

Originally posted by: Finkle. Was not a Greek Orthodox Church knocked down, and they can’t rebuild yet, but a Muslim temple is fast tracked through the court system.quote>

if the city is giving the Ortho's a hard time, then it is definitely wrong, but if you can't provide the full details, then we could easily say that it is just because the Ortho's can't raise the dough.quote>

Somehow I think that that Orthodox church is not being given a hard time so much as it is merely bogged down in ordinary red tape. The Muslim facility, meanwhile, is being fast-tracked because a political issue is being made out of it.

[Barbarossa 51]

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[Finkle 14]

Barbarossa you can google it, you can bing it, you can yahoo it, which every you like; you can type in Greek Orthodox NYC or just type in St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church.

Duke87 once again you make themost sense of the case in point.

[Finkle 14]

Barbarossa you can google it, you can bing it, you can yahoo it, which every you like; you can type in Greek Orthodox NYC or just type in St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church.

Duke87 once again you make themost sense of the case in point.