Official Simtroplis Gulf Oil Spill Thread

[tjh876 31]

Originally posted by: Duke of York

 Actually the very equipment BP is using the US Navy has and more...Who else is more qualified. I am not saying lets do away with BPs rescources. Im saying the government should have took full use of BPs resources and plus the advantage of one of the most powerful institutions of the Sea ( US Navy ) and really jumped on this issue. I also do not believe everything and assume what comes out of a politicians mouth to be the truth.

-DOY

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Well, if the goverment did it, or the navy, it would take taxs payers money, and bp would have to reimburse everyone, as well as that this is BP's fault, and they should fix it them selves, not call on a navy and use them. Yeah everyone is comparing this to Katrina, and Katrina was caused by Mother Nature, not BP. The government shouldn't need to step in, BP should be going out of their way to fix this, but because they are not that responsible, and also careless in the making of this well, they should take full of responsibility and give the money everyone who is effected by this. BP can pay until they go bankrupt, but they can't pay to fix all the issues with small companies that were DESTROYED in this spill. We should just wait sometime (maybe a few thousand years) and then start at making a souther fishing economy.

[tjh876 31]

Originally posted by: Duke of York

 Actually the very equipment BP is using the US Navy has and more...Who else is more qualified. I am not saying lets do away with BPs rescources. Im saying the government should have took full use of BPs resources and plus the advantage of one of the most powerful institutions of the Sea ( US Navy ) and really jumped on this issue. I also do not believe everything and assume what comes out of a politicians mouth to be the truth.

-DOY

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Well, if the goverment did it, or the navy, it would take taxs payers money, and bp would have to reimburse everyone, as well as that this is BP's fault, and they should fix it them selves, not call on a navy and use them. Yeah everyone is comparing this to Katrina, and Katrina was caused by Mother Nature, not BP. The government shouldn't need to step in, BP should be going out of their way to fix this, but because they are not that responsible, and also careless in the making of this well, they should take full of responsibility and give the money everyone who is effected by this. BP can pay until they go bankrupt, but they can't pay to fix all the issues with small companies that were DESTROYED in this spill. We should just wait sometime (maybe a few thousand years) and then start at making a souther fishing economy.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

@Barbarossa:  Ouch!

Now they are going to play techie games with this oil dome to try and fix what they messed up, and try to get it back in production.  Sometimes people don't have the sense to leave well enough alone.  {pun intended}

[Empowered One 41]

Originally posted by: Tommy7777

Well, if the goverment did it, or the navy, it would take taxs payers money, and bp would have to reimburse everyone, as well as that this is BP's fault, and they should fix it them selves, not call on a navy and use them. Yeah everyone is comparing this to Katrina, and Katrina was caused by Mother Nature, not BP. The government shouldn't need to step in, BP should be going out of their way to fix this, but because they are not that responsible, and also careless in the making of this well, they should take full of responsibility and give the money everyone who is effected by this. BP can pay until they go bankrupt, but they can't pay to fix all the issues with small companies that were DESTROYED in this spill. We should just wait sometime (maybe a few thousand years) and then start at making a souther fishing economy.

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What is your money worth as tax payer? BP and the gouvernment should've worked together as I don't see BP doing to well with that negative image cast over them. Besides, it's not like the local people are able to handle it by themselves. The gouvernment has the resources and BP the knowledge. Of course its your money being spend as tax payers, that's all you will be able to do to help stop this disaster....right?

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Originally posted by: afstandopleren

What is your money worth as tax payer? BP and the gouvernment should've worked together as I don't see BP doing to well with that negative image cast over them. Besides, it's not like the local people are able to handle it by themselves. The gouvernment has the resources and BP the knowledge. Of course its your money being spend as tax payers, that's all you will be able to do to help stop this disaster....right?

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Sadly, this smacks of 20/20 hindsight.  If I was a U.S. taxpayer, I would not want one red cent of government money going to rescue a private company, especially after the Wall Street fiascoes.  Besides, the senior service was on the job, doing what they do best.  The United States Coast Guard did what was possible to protect the coast, and the people on the coast.  It is not up to the United States Navy to be involved here.  It is not their job.

There were USCG vessels in evidence in most of the news footage from the beginning.  Everyone forgets about the coast guard when it comes to the military, but some of us never forget that the coast guard is the senior service, created before any other force.

[Empowered One 41]

I know that governments do ridiculous things with taxpayers money. It was just a thought I blabbed out.

I read somewhere above that they were just stabbing some holes in the ocean floor...I don't think I need to explain why I think that's stupid in an already unstable envoirment.

But anyways, there is always something else you can do besides paying taxes for stuff you aren't even aware of. I mean, for example, if you are able, then go to the place and do research yourself/help people. That way you know that your money and effort is well spend and you are actually helping to keep things stable. (This is btw just 1 suggestion)

I didn't know that the coast guard was high ranked, let alone part of the military but now that I think of it, it's kinda....duh....

[Empowered One 41]

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[Duke87 1,070]

Perhaps it would be more prudent to just link to the Twitter account in question rather than reposting some of the tweets here.

[hym 358]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Everyone forgets about the coast guard when it comes to the military, but some of us never forget that the coast guard is the senior service, created before any other force.quote>

The US Coast Guard is not the senior military service.  That honor is given to the Army, as per Department of Defense Directive 1005.8.  Furthermore, with the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, the Coast Guard is no longer a member of the armed services.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Originally posted by: hym

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Everyone forgets about the coast guard when it comes to the military, but some of us never forget that the coast guard is the senior service, created before any other force.quote>

The US Coast Guard is not the senior military service.  That honor is given to the Army, as per Department of Defense Directive 1005.8.  Furthermore, with the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, the Coast Guard is no longer a member of the armed services.

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Oops.  Sorry.  My history at that period is confused.  The UEL exodus, and all.  the Canadian Coast Guard is certainly out first service, and no decree or order can change that.

CBC news is reporting, this morning, that the wonderful BP cap may be either leaking or there are other sources of oil leaking nto the gulf.

[Duke of York 23]

 But wait....I know it will cost the tax payers a little money in order for the Government to take full control and utilize BPs resources. But what cost more? Oil and businesses desperately dying because of this oil spill or really fixing the issue..Thats like saying that actually fixing the problem with the government will cost to much so lets let BP try to fix it and hopefully it will cost less. Sometimes fixing something is worth the price tag. Not to mention the government can send a Billing statement to BP in the end.

-DOY

[sneakeypete 16]

As much as i hate the whole "oh noes the government must be incompetent at everything" attitude, in this case the government stepping in would really be useless. I mean, think about it. The guy managing the cleanup might be different, but the people doing the actual work, the people doing the actual engineering, would all be exactly the same, except now theyd have a new boss controlling them who they don't know, who doesn't know them, or how any of the structure works. From an efficiency perspective, i'd say it'd be best to just keep things in their current form where it's all working (ish).

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

In an interview on TV, one of the fishermen employed by BP to help with the cleanup claimed that the oil is being sunk by the dispersants being used.  Interesting.  I thought the idea was to disperse the oil, not send it to the bottom.  Wonder if he was right?

[Empowered One 41]

Yeah, I saw that vid too. Makes me wonder why there is so much red tape/little known about something important and actually potentially dangerous as this. You can find more about some vague war halfway around the world (I know where it is, it just feels that way).

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

In an interview on TV, one of the fishermen employed by BP to help with the cleanup claimed that the oil is being sunk by the dispersants being used.  Interesting.  I thought the idea was to disperse the oil, not send it to the bottom.  Wonder if he was right?

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what type of dispersant?

The bacteria based ones that eat the oil.

or chemical ones that  do whatever they do to disperse it?

mabey thats what they are supposed to do?

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

More likely some Republican sycophant paid him to say that.

[simcity499586 0]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Obama's response.

Nothwithstanding all of the spin here, the fact that the BP management did not invoke the proper safety procedures is a greedy response to keeping the bottom line looking good.  They bet their company and lost.  I feel mildly sorry for any shareholders who can't afford to have the shares go to zero.  BP is now dead, it just hasn't rolled over yet.

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good i hope BP gets there company destroyed its cuz there greedy people and reusing the oil rigs very stupid it will at least take 20 to 40 yrs for it to recover and the wildlife is gone. So i think a vote sould be put on something to vote what to do about

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Originally posted by: simcity499586

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Obama's response.

Nothwithstanding all of the spin here, the fact that the BP management did not invoke the proper safety procedures is a greedy response to keeping the bottom line looking good.  They bet their company and lost.  I feel mildly sorry for any shareholders who can't afford to have the shares go to zero.  BP is now dead, it just hasn't rolled over yet.

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good i hope BP gets there company destroyed its cuz there greedy people and reusing the oil rigs very stupid it will at least take 20 to 40 yrs for it to recover and the wildlife is gone. So i think a vote sould be put on something to vote what to do aboutquote>

Welcome to the conversation.

Well, my friend, it doesn't work that way unless you are a shareholder.  They are the only ones who get to vote, and in the U.K. only, where the annual meeting will be held.  I expect that after this kerfuffle, BP will be reinicarnated as some other outfit, and the BP charter will be surrendered.  Your attitude is quite parochial, and you need to understand the way of the corporate world.  Things are never solved by public referenda.

The damage to the Gulf Coast is truly disgusting.  However, it is an ill wind that blows no good.  The Canadian fishing industry is enjoying an upsurge in business.  People have to eat, and we have the shrimp, oysters, etc.  Maybe not of the qualify found in New Orleans (I've been there on holiday), but good.  Remember that the next oysters you eat could well be Malpeque Oysters from Canada.

One of the things that is always a possibility for true Cajuns (Acadians) in the Louisiana area, is that they can come home.  After Le grand dérangement of 1755-63, settling in Louisiana might have been OK, but this is where these people belong.  There is an enormous Acadian presence in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, and real Cajuns would be right at home.  You might call it Champlain's revenge.

[Empowered One 41]

BP admitts playing with images from the spill:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/oil/7904221/BP-admits-it-Photoshopped-official-images-as-oil-spill-cut-and-paste-row-escalates.html

[Easy Bakes 253]

Head of BP to step down.

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/BPs-Hayward-to-Step-Down-as-CEO-99256134.html

thats after this news  hit the airwaves

BP oil rig's fire alarm was switched off 'so workers could get a good night's sleep'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1297300/BP-oil-rigs-alarm-switched-workers-good-nights-sleep.html

[Ephemeron 17]

First this, then the Lockerbie bomber's release. BP's been seeing pretty bad press lately. My parents have stopped buying petrol from them. I daresay BP's reputation couldn't get any worse unless it also turned out that they sponsored that stupid Simcity Societies game. Oh wait...

[Duke87 1,070]

Look out, there's another leak.

Somehow, capping a well only six feet below the surface seems pretty stupid.

[LivingInThePast 364]

BP's CEO has gotten a lot of flack he really didn't deserve. While clearly there was incompetence, people (like reporters) who expect him to know everything about the company and why it happened are idiots.

Similarly, chewing out a grunt who works at a gas station about the spill is also stupid.

I say still go to BP stations for this reason: the gas there is recycled from the spill oil, and in doing so, are doing your part to help clean up the spill.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: LivingInThePast

I say still go to BP stations for this reason: the gas there is recycled from the spill oil, and in doing so, are doing your part to help clean up the spill.quote>

The explosion on the platform was from a non producing well.None of the recoverd spilled oil has likely been processed yet.

 

[LivingInThePast 364]

Originally posted by: Easy Bakes

Originally posted by: LivingInThePast

I say still go to BP stations for this reason: the gas there is recycled from the spill oil, and in doing so, are doing your part to help clean up the spill.quote>

The explosion on the platform was from a non producing well.None of the recoverd spilled oil has likely been processed yet.

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My other comments still hold, however. And sooner or later, that gas will be in BP stations. 

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: LivingInThePast

Originally posted by: Easy Bakes

Originally posted by: LivingInThePast

I say still go to BP stations for this reason: the gas there is recycled from the spill oil, and in doing so, are doing your part to help clean up the spill.quote>

The explosion on the platform was from a non producing well.None of the recoverd spilled oil has likely been processed yet.

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My other comments still hold, however. And sooner or later, that gas will be in BP stations. 

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or at a  Quick trip, 7-11, Shell, or any dozens of gas stations that buys gasoline from which ever refinery its is sent too.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Will the BP logo survive?  I expect a corporate name shuffling, followed by a new logo derived from the new company.  How about the Isle of Wight Oil Consortium using a J-boat under full sail as the logo?  Ecological, what with the wind power and all, and certainly powered by a lot of hot air.

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This just in:  12:53 PM  Link

The gulf and BP are not the only problems.  Remember all those pipelines?

[LivingInThePast 364]

Funny, the BP logo (current one) was introduced in 2004 (or so) with the tagline "Beyond Petroleum".

[LILCHRIS5X 5]

By this time I think they have found a good temoporary solution but it'll take years for the area to recover.

[tjh876 31]

So, when BP means beyond petroleum, is that a good or bad thing, because what it seems like it that not only are they drilling and refining it, they are also destroying people's lives with it. And it seems like this might be all over soon, but the effects will last for years and years and years to come. What a wonderful time for the world's worst oil spill. *sarcasm*