Imagine if the arabic world unites, to be like u.s.a

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the unation of the arabic countires, is every arabic pearson dream

Imagine how the arabic world(the arab countires all together) would be if all the countries are united, to be like u.s.a i mean,and if the blue countries on the map had freedom, in the middle east there's the world's first oild production,the third natural gas production in the world, the first production of olive oil and phosphate tunisia, 

the perfect location in the world map, wich it's in the middle, that countains asia, and afrcia,mdeterraniabn sea, atlantic, ... just imagine

the unation of the arabic countires, is every arabic pearson dream

[Simcompoop 0]

Never mind the Arabic countries being united. The whole world should get united as one Earth. We got to get ready for the Aliens some day.

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i doubt it, i mean , i doubt that it will be there a global unation as one earth, and that will happen only if it was there a global peace, also, you cant have a united earth, with very very poor countires, the unation must be ecaulized, also if it will be there a global peace, it want last for ever. 

yeah, but i don't think that there's aliens,maybe there's but i don't beleive in them, also, it possible to have a union like the european union, we already have two, one for the hall countires, and the other for the maghreb,

now about the maghreb union, tunisia moroco, libya and algeria, mostly tunisia and moroco and algeria, are trying to eculize between our economies, the people's cultures relegiouses and main languages and second languages are already the same, so, the challenge is the ecaulise the economies, the maghreb is already started to make some projects together, some tv shows, and a t.v channel, and a t.v channel news, and we still growing, hope we readh our gol one day,  it will be there in the future energy companies that shares in all the regions...

[Meg 368]

I don't know that this is "every" Arabic person's dream.  Usually when everyone wants something to happen, it does.   I'm not an expert on the region but I believe that not everyone there is Arabic.  (The Sudan is Arabic?)

Originally posted by: Simcompoop

The whole world should get united as one Earth. We got to get ready for the Aliens some day.quote>

Well, there is that.  But I do think we will need small steps to get there.  It isn't going to happen all at once.

[Barbarossa 51]

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to meg:

well, i don't know about sudan, they are not original arab people, but they speak arabic because they are muslim,

and the other blu regions in africa are not arab either, they speak arabic, because of islam

i just cant wait that day, when the arabs get united again, like in past, and get their old glory, lol my words seems weird,  

 

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Unfortunately, in my experience, anytime you get three Arabs together you get two knife fights

Can anyone imagine the unification of the Shia and Sunni communities?  It would be like all the Protestant Christian sects joining the Vatican.  And what about all those radical Imams?  Can you ever see them agreeing?  If you do, I have this neat vest for you to wear ...

I agree its a good idea, and I think it was tried, but just what happened to the UAR?  There are too many divisions, even among the Sunnis alone, let alone the Shias.  Funny how all this can happen over one book written in one languages that all Arabs are supposed to understand.

You are proposing another power bloc.  Are power blocs a good idea?  Time has shown that they are usually a casus belli.

[frogface 354]

don't think it'll happen in my lifetime , just look how sucessful pan arabism turned out there'll always be one country or leader that'll try to dominate the whole thing and end up annoying the others, i just don't think it can realistically happen but who knows

[Odainsaker 2,136]

Hmmm, the Ba'ath party couldn't even get modern Egypt, Syria, and Iraq together, while the Arab League makes the European Union look like the paragon of united efficiency and transparent citizen representation.

However, the ongoing disaster and petty party squabbles in Iraq offer an opening for a charismatic leader to establish himself as the Mahdi among a desperately angry and downtrodden people by promising a return to the vision of Nasser, the piety of the Caliphate, the grandeur of Babylon, and the triumph of Saladin.  With a renewed, strong, prosperous Iraq, we will reunify with Syria, restore the lost province of Kuwait, annex weakened Jordan and Lebanon, and liberate Palestine.  As our brothers in Egypt flock to our vanguard, Israel, America, Iran, and even the Saudis will be forced to pay deference to us...they know the Spice must flow.  The line from Baghdad to Damascus will be the axis around which the world will spin!  Or is it the line from Baghdad to Mecca?...maybe a pentagram from Baghdad to Cairo to Damascus to Mecca with a tangent at East Jerusalem and an arrow pointing to Dubai--afterall, WE lay out the New Order, and it is for the world to figure out how to follow it, loopy loopdeloops and all!

Because they need our oil...especially Asia!



They will proclaim me Der Phooey of the Iraqireich,
And they will call me Muab'Dib...
Muhuhahahahahahhahahhahahaa!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaaa!

Of course, we'll have to figure out how to deal with all the crazies--wait, why are you all looking at me like that!?

Okay, okay, okay...I think the current disparaties between all the various potential citizens and governing polities are so vast and such a unity so unwieldy that the effort would be pointless.  Neither the Umayyads, Abbasids, or even the Ottomans could hold it all stably together for long, despite all the tools of empire availabe to them.  Lacking imperial tools, unity would require radical changes almost across the entire board in outlook, and a shrinking of the vast disparities between peoples.  Otherwise, despite all the history and resources, I don't see how one can reconcile Darfur with Dubai or Casablanca with Gaza, let alone reconcile how all of it is pegged around Jerusalem with Israel as the pivot.  Still, someday such a sight would be impressive indeed, and would likely usher another golden age for the region the likes of which has not be seen since, well, the Abbasids.

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No, actulally the sonna and shia are different in the relegion way, in the language, in the origine, and in the culture, the shia are the pearsian, they use arabic letters but they are not arabs, they speak pearsian, the arabs speaks arabic,

why did you said combining two arabic countires are like combaining two wars or knifes or whatever so, it's not imposseblall, we already have the union of the arabic countires all together, another one for the middle east countries, and anotehr one for the north africa exept sudan and egypt, it calls the maghreb union, and the unation is under planning, and it will happen , so don't confuse between shia and sunna, shia are the pearsians, and sunna are the arabs,

there's already the bloc power, so, if one of the countires attakced tunisia, or algeria, or moroco, or libya or muritania, it will be maybe a new world war, if they attacked tunisia, all the other maghreb countires will get in the wat, the same for the rest of this union countires, also, tunisia have a very strong military also the other countires of the union, see we are already a bloc, so they cant attack us, and just imagine, what about the rest of arabic countires?! just think about it, the u.a.e. is going to build a city in tunisia and in moroco, this land that they will build on it will belong to them for about 15 years, in that time, if a county attacked tunisia, and attacked this u.a.e. part, the middle east bloc will be here in war,

FUUWW!!!! what a mess

you must know alot about us so you can judge, you cant just understand it too simply it's too complicated to understand what's going on with arabs with one artical or one view,

also for the culture, for the people , for the relegious, for the all wrong ideas that you have about us... ... ...

to Odainsaker: lol, i don't know what's your point, what does this have to do with toaday

well, i know that the middle east have many politics prob. but the maghreb in north africa is clear, that it have a soon chances to unite maybe in 10 years, when the economics of those countires are ecaulized

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: (x+x²)²/x

the shia are the pearsian, they use arabic letters but they are not arabs, they speak pearsian,quote>

I do believe the language is called "Farsi", not "Persian".

Anyways... I'll tell you this much. Isreal is absolutely not going to be joining any sort of Neo Ummayad/Ottoman Empire, nor is the rest of the world about to let it be taken over by said union, so cross them off your map.

Beyond that, the parallels to the US in such a union would be pretty much non-existent. The US, despite being the "United States" is not the result of other countries banding together to form a new union. Indeed, it is initially the result of a schism - the colonies breaking away from the British Empire. From there, it gradually expanded westward by various land purchases and a couple wars. No previously independent nations decided to collectively merge together, although Texas and Hawaii were their own countries that the (larger) US assimilated.

Europe has its own attempt at adopting the "one large union" model with the EU, but within it each country still has its own sovereignty, so it's not the same thing... although there are those who say that someday it will just be one nation (or at least wish it such).

If you want to make an Arab Union, or AU (hehe, it's an Astronomical Unit), that would be more like the EU than the US. However, with all the various differences in philosophy and squables thereabout, I don't see it being too plausible a proposal at any point in the near future.

Then again, who knows. More unexpected things have happened.

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why should we cross palastine from our map??!! it still there arab peopel there you know, living under bombs and tanks

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: (x+x²²/x

to meg:

well, i don't know about sudan, they are not original arab people, but they speak arabic because they are muslim,

and the other blu regions in africa are not arab either, they speak arabic, because of islamquote>

Originally posted by: (x+x²²/x

No, actulally the sonna and shia are different in the relegion way, in the language, in the origine, and in the culture, the shia are the pearsian, they use arabic letters but they are not arabs, they speak pearsian, the arabs speaks arabic,quote>

So the Sudanese are arabic but the shia aren't?   I know I'm getting confused.

Okay, we seem to be talking about several different things here:  national origin, ethnicity, religion, and language.

Any combination of the above are possible and do exist.    Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs.  For instance, there is such a thing as a Christian Arab; my nephew's great-grandparents were Maronites.

I'm a bit confused at to what group of people you are talking about.   Given the diversity of the region, the only way this could work is to accept a diversity of backgrounds.   Both the USA and the EU are comprised of people with various ethnic and religious backgrounds.   I imagine that any geo-political union that large would have to be as well.

Originally posted by: N_O_Body

Unfortunately, in my experience, anytime you get three Arabs together you get two knife fights quote>

Let's not go there.

Can anyone imagine the unification of the Shia and Sunni communities?  It would be like all the Protestant Christian sects joining the Vatican.  And what about all those radical Imams?  Can you ever see them agreeing?  If you do, I have this neat vest for you to wear ... quote>

It does seem unlikely.

Originally posted by: Odainsaker

--wait, why are you all looking at me like that!?

quote>

I can't imagine why 

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

  Are you an alien spy?    quote>

Who?  me?  

 

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to meg: we already have the diversity, there's christian and jews and muslim in every country, for example here in tunisia, jews come each year to an island calls djerba, to do some of their relegious stuff each year, and yes, not every arab is muslim, and not every muslim is arab, i know that we're not alone in the world, so as i said every thing is good for the union of the maghreb, but the only thing that it stills is the ecnomoy ecaulizing

yes, iran, wich they are pearsians are not arabs, sudan also originally are not arabs, but because of the relegious wich it's islam they speak arabic, but their public life, i don't know what does they speak

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Odainsaker:  My friend, you are certainly very well read.  Congratulations on the Chaplin poster.  Your analogy is well taken.  I agree that such an "Arab" league would lead toward The Great Dictator syndrome.  Our Tunisian friend is right, though.  I think we would have to exclude all the Farsi speakers, even though they are Muslim.  Unless I am in error, he only wants Arabic speakers, which rules out much of the Islamic community.  Muad'Dib you might not be, but you could be Shai Hulud.

(x+x²)²/x: or may I call you (1+x)(1+x) for short?.  That was an old joke from before World War II.  You are probably not of an age to appreciate it.  Comes from the time of T. E. Lawrence, I believe.  In any case, we have succeeded in provoking some interesting discussion, thank you.

As for Palestine, you will never uproot the Israelis and they will never agree to Arab rule.  They think God (Allah, same guy) promised them that land and that the sons of the left-hand have no rights whatever, no matter what they say publicly. 

Muslims do not make Arabs any more than Christians are Palestinians.  Just because the holy books are in some language does not define a nationality.

Meg:  I don't think you recognized by jocularity.  That is a real old one, probably before your time.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: (x+x²)²/x

why should we cross palastine from our map??!! it still there arab peopel there you know, living under bombs and tanks

quote>

I didn't say anything about Palestine. You can have Palestine. Israel's a different story.

But yeah, that's another conflict that makes this difficult.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Actually most Israelis, especially the Sabras, are Arabic speaking.

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no, the israeilian are not arabs, they are from different nationalities from all over the world, and also those arabs that you see them in israeil, are the original people of the country before israeil, those are who speaks arabic, some of them became jews, cause the community and the hard life that they live in, make it diffucult to live there, cause the israeilina, who took the palastenians' land, hates them,

to N_O_Body: yeah i know, that the relegious don't make nationalities anymore, lik in the begenning of the history, but in the case of sudan and the other blue regions in africa on that map, can speak arabic, cause it reteurns to a very long time, before hundreds of years,

for example, some of communities in other african countires, are muslim but they don't speak arabic, and they are not arabs, they read the relegious in frensh,

hehehehe, this subject started with politics and the arabic union, or most presize the maghreb union, nd now we're talking about relegious

[Meg 368]

well, it is a bit confusing as to who qualifies to be in this proposed arabic union.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

WRT the Arabs vs. Jews, remember this is a family squabble.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: (x+x²)²/x

those arabs that you see them in israeil, are the original people of the country before israeil,quote>

Depends on how you define "original". I don't think the people of Jerricho are coming back anytime soon. But beyond that, the Jews were there over a thousand years before there was any such thing as Islam.

...only thing is, it's an even longer span of time between the founding of modern Israel and the last time before that that they were in charge of the place. And indeed, they were pretty firmly supplanted - the epitomizing fact of this being that the site of the Jewish holy temple is now occupied by the Muslim Dome of the Rock.

The problem really is that both groups have legitimate claim to the land but seem perpetually unable to agree on how to divide it up or peacefully share it.

[TheCrybKeeper 301]

Originally posted by: (x+x²²/x

no, the israeilian are not arabs, they are from different nationalities from all over the world, and also those arabs that you see them in israeil, are the original people of the country before israeil, those are who speaks arabic, some of them became jews, cause the community and the hard life that they live in, make it diffucult to live there, cause the israeilina, who took the palastenians' land, hates them,

to N_O_Body: yeah i know, that the relegious don't make nationalities anymore, lik in the begenning of the history, but in the case of sudan and the other blue regions in africa on that map, can speak arabic, cause it reteurns to a very long time, before hundreds of years,

for example, some of communities in other african countires, are muslim but they don't speak arabic, and they are not arabs, they read the relegious in frensh,

hehehehe, this subject started with politics and the arabic union, or most presize the maghreb union, nd now we're talking about relegious

quote>

Israel and Palastine both aknowledge their roots are from Abraham. It is a useless battle of tribes, nationalities and religions, of which none of them will ever see an end, as long as they have those labels over themselves.

I feel your passion for unity among all nations (x+x²²/x. It can only happen when we all, as one world embrace our diversity, while minding our own business.

[DazzaDazza 29]

Well I have to agree with pretty much what Duke87 has said hear,

It is a very troubled part of the world, like many other region, each country and religions has certain factions with there own engenders. Nothing like that will probably never happen, at lest not in my time, why because people all way wont to impose there views on to other people, whether it be thought religion or anything ells for that matter, People will always argue over something.

You stole my land

Your country bombed my country so I am going to bombed yours

Your religion is wrong and mine is right

Don't trust "this" type people

You rip me off, you prick, and I'm going to get you

You stole my pencil, I hate you

It is in our nature to fight with each other, these countries and people with in these land have deep seeded dislike towards each other, that goes back many years, and is past on though generations, if a kid is has grown up to hate something, then when they are adults they will probably hate it. Trying to get these people to forget the past would seem a impossible task

[iiiset 0]

Under certain conditions, I would be totally in favor of this. But there are two problems.

A) By a combination of external conspiracy and internal precedent, pan-Arabic and other Muslim peoples have never learned to get along. Due to tradition in the ruling classes and a lack of education for the masses, ages-old feuds continue senselessly into the future. Political power is hard to gain in Muslim lands by any means other than violence.

B) If the leaders of the new United Islamic States do not understand the following, then the formation of such a bloc would cause the destruction of humanity: the age of imperialism is over. The imperial project was a failure. In the epoch of nuclear weapons, starting massive wars based on flimsy premises to maintain some kind of international balance of power is no longer possible. In other words, I would demand that the United Islamic States make a stronger committment to peace, justice, and non-interference than previous superpowers such as the US, Soviet bloc, and British Empire did. Unfair, maybe. Necessary, absolutely. Also, genocide never solves problems. Get used to ruling fragmentary ethnic, religious, and social groups, some of which are going to oppose you, by means of civil rather than despotic authority.

Were it possible to form a well-functioning United Islamic States that was better behaved than the United States of America, I think it would be the best thing since sliced bread. My own country, the USA, would be forced to end its corrupt arrangements and ulterior-motivated wars, and start paying the same market price for oil that the rest of the world pays. The Union could impose peace on the intra-Muslim bloodshed that plagues that part of the world. And there would be a better balance of power between the US, EU, Neonationalist Russia, China, and India, hopefully forcing everyone to play fair. Putting more lands under the protection of a united nation would also limit the irritating modern phenomenon of "limited" war in which superpowers fight an allegorical war in some disparaged small country. "Limited" it may be, but you're still wrecking someone's home and killing their relatives.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Well said.

The first thing is the reconciliation of the Shia and Sunni sects.  With the example of the Christian churches as a paradigm.  You need to get over killing members of protestant denominations as well as everyone else who does not agree with your interpretation of an ancient scripture.  I am quite sure that neither Jesus nor Mohammad wanted this to happen.