Mexico legalizes small drug possession

[hym 358]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?

stop seeing this like is only Mexico's problem and take action with the drug consumer in your country.

quote>

JanYpe isn't American.

As for the US, it has been working to reduce drug usage in the country.  Not that the tactics employed have been particularly effective, but there is an effort to reduce drug usage.

[hym 358]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?

stop seeing this like is only Mexico's problem and take action with the drug consumer in your country.

quote>

JanYpe isn't American.

As for the US, it has been working to reduce drug usage in the country.  Not that the tactics employed have been particularly effective, but there is an effort to reduce drug usage.

[hym 358]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?

stop seeing this like is only Mexico's problem and take action with the drug consumer in your country.

quote>

JanYpe isn't American.

As for the US, it has been working to reduce drug usage in the country.  Not that the tactics employed have been particularly effective, but there is an effort to reduce drug usage.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?quote>

The "Just Say No" Camagin.

Known today as the "Above The Influence" campagin.

The just say no campaign was actualy working for a while,the surveys they took after a couple of years did show less usage, i guess it  ran out of funding and the numbers started to rise again.

I do have question for a fellow american, Personaly i dont use any Illegal drugs, i do want to know if any of our younger members have known anyone caught for minor possesion of drugs recently. of if you know what the penalty was for that offence.Im sure now its a very minor misdemeanor, with the jails packed full i cant see them giveing jail time for possesion of small amounts.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?quote>

The "Just Say No" Camagin.

Known today as the "Above The Influence" campagin.

The just say no campaign was actualy working for a while,the surveys they took after a couple of years did show less usage, i guess it  ran out of funding and the numbers started to rise again.

I do have question for a fellow american, Personaly i dont use any Illegal drugs, i do want to know if any of our younger members have known anyone caught for minor possesion of drugs recently. of if you know what the penalty was for that offence.Im sure now its a very minor misdemeanor, with the jails packed full i cant see them giveing jail time for possesion of small amounts.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?quote>

The "Just Say No" Camagin.

Known today as the "Above The Influence" campagin.

The just say no campaign was actualy working for a while,the surveys they took after a couple of years did show less usage, i guess it  ran out of funding and the numbers started to rise again.

I do have question for a fellow american, Personaly i dont use any Illegal drugs, i do want to know if any of our younger members have known anyone caught for minor possesion of drugs recently. of if you know what the penalty was for that offence.Im sure now its a very minor misdemeanor, with the jails packed full i cant see them giveing jail time for possesion of small amounts.

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?

stop seeing this like is only Mexico's problem and take action with the drug consumer in your country.

quote>

I wasn't saying this is Mexico's problem alone, distribution networks aren't contained by national borders. I was saying that while it can be a useful step to stop locking up insignificant users, that step isn't going to solve the problem overnight. Locking up the people who profit from this industry and the violent crime that goes with it is still going to take a long time.

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?

stop seeing this like is only Mexico's problem and take action with the drug consumer in your country.

quote>

I wasn't saying this is Mexico's problem alone, distribution networks aren't contained by national borders. I was saying that while it can be a useful step to stop locking up insignificant users, that step isn't going to solve the problem overnight. Locking up the people who profit from this industry and the violent crime that goes with it is still going to take a long time.

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: tcxalapa

Originally posted by: JanYpe

..... Enacting this law was the easy part, now they've got to show actual progress against the criminals.

quote>

what!

what more do you want?

what is USA doing to minimize the use of drugs?

stop seeing this like is only Mexico's problem and take action with the drug consumer in your country.

quote>

I wasn't saying this is Mexico's problem alone, distribution networks aren't contained by national borders. I was saying that while it can be a useful step to stop locking up insignificant users, that step isn't going to solve the problem overnight. Locking up the people who profit from this industry and the violent crime that goes with it is still going to take a long time.

[Ntq€310 1]

I don't think drugs should be legalized, since at this point I don't see it helping the United States, or Mexico. From what it seems, they are just making it legal for the cartels to sell small amounts of the stuff. Even if you are for legalization of this stuff, I do feel the law as current is not even good enough for that, and really, since Mexico's drug market is runned by the cartels, and if the government tries to run competition, or another company tries to do that, what do you think will happen to them?

The issue in Mexico is not one that legalization or a crack down on the usage of drugs in terms of the law can fix, it's the usage by America and Canadian buyers, and lack of power within the Mexican and other central/south american governments in stopping the influence of these terroist. Looking at Mexico, you can not expect it to fight a battle that it also has to wage aganist parts of it's own government, since corruption at national and local levels is a major issue. The first step in any of this is simple, stop the flow of drugs between the U.S and Mexico, and thats not very easy.

[Ntq€310 1]

I don't think drugs should be legalized, since at this point I don't see it helping the United States, or Mexico. From what it seems, they are just making it legal for the cartels to sell small amounts of the stuff. Even if you are for legalization of this stuff, I do feel the law as current is not even good enough for that, and really, since Mexico's drug market is runned by the cartels, and if the government tries to run competition, or another company tries to do that, what do you think will happen to them?

The issue in Mexico is not one that legalization or a crack down on the usage of drugs in terms of the law can fix, it's the usage by America and Canadian buyers, and lack of power within the Mexican and other central/south american governments in stopping the influence of these terroist. Looking at Mexico, you can not expect it to fight a battle that it also has to wage aganist parts of it's own government, since corruption at national and local levels is a major issue. The first step in any of this is simple, stop the flow of drugs between the U.S and Mexico, and thats not very easy.

[Ntq€310 1]

I don't think drugs should be legalized, since at this point I don't see it helping the United States, or Mexico. From what it seems, they are just making it legal for the cartels to sell small amounts of the stuff. Even if you are for legalization of this stuff, I do feel the law as current is not even good enough for that, and really, since Mexico's drug market is runned by the cartels, and if the government tries to run competition, or another company tries to do that, what do you think will happen to them?

The issue in Mexico is not one that legalization or a crack down on the usage of drugs in terms of the law can fix, it's the usage by America and Canadian buyers, and lack of power within the Mexican and other central/south american governments in stopping the influence of these terroist. Looking at Mexico, you can not expect it to fight a battle that it also has to wage aganist parts of it's own government, since corruption at national and local levels is a major issue. The first step in any of this is simple, stop the flow of drugs between the U.S and Mexico, and thats not very easy.

[GoaSkin 2]

I think any drug must be decriminalized everywhere including a restricted possibility for legal purchase. But drug consumtion must not be made easier and more attractive when reforming the drug laws.

A method may be that drug consumers must visit seminars and write an examn about safer drug use and get a license to buy small amounts of drugs legally after that. If the license holders are doing bad things on drugs (for example driving cars) or are caught when owning big amounts of drugs, the license may be cancelled beside other penalties.

Drugs should be sold by social institutions/ welfare organisations - not making profits with the drugs they sell but financed like any other social institution too. Cannabis should be sold in cafes like the dutch coffeeshops (but holded by the red cross, the caritas or similar institutions), Heroin in therapy institutions to addictive people only. No institution should sell different drugs. But if the black market shall die, everything must be availlable legally somehow. Otherwise there are reasons to buy from the black market.

[GoaSkin 2]

I think any drug must be decriminalized everywhere including a restricted possibility for legal purchase. But drug consumtion must not be made easier and more attractive when reforming the drug laws.

A method may be that drug consumers must visit seminars and write an examn about safer drug use and get a license to buy small amounts of drugs legally after that. If the license holders are doing bad things on drugs (for example driving cars) or are caught when owning big amounts of drugs, the license may be cancelled beside other penalties.

Drugs should be sold by social institutions/ welfare organisations - not making profits with the drugs they sell but financed like any other social institution too. Cannabis should be sold in cafes like the dutch coffeeshops (but holded by the red cross, the caritas or similar institutions), Heroin in therapy institutions to addictive people only. No institution should sell different drugs. But if the black market shall die, everything must be availlable legally somehow. Otherwise there are reasons to buy from the black market.

[GoaSkin 2]

I think any drug must be decriminalized everywhere including a restricted possibility for legal purchase. But drug consumtion must not be made easier and more attractive when reforming the drug laws.

A method may be that drug consumers must visit seminars and write an examn about safer drug use and get a license to buy small amounts of drugs legally after that. If the license holders are doing bad things on drugs (for example driving cars) or are caught when owning big amounts of drugs, the license may be cancelled beside other penalties.

Drugs should be sold by social institutions/ welfare organisations - not making profits with the drugs they sell but financed like any other social institution too. Cannabis should be sold in cafes like the dutch coffeeshops (but holded by the red cross, the caritas or similar institutions), Heroin in therapy institutions to addictive people only. No institution should sell different drugs. But if the black market shall die, everything must be availlable legally somehow. Otherwise there are reasons to buy from the black market.

[saltandsauce 0]

hmmm, you all know my stance on this so i would bother to state it,

My big thing about the "war on drugs" is that well, i've never seen any serious attempts to fight it, like school searches and police dogs sniffing random people in the street. Why hasn't that been done (i live in Britain) all i've had is one little video to traumatise us and that was it. It's not much of an "infringement of freedom" since we're watched more than any other nation on the planet. I am a cynic and don't think that people have the freedom to ruin their ownlives and drag down others with them. People are idiots most of the time and that does include me

some war, that's like fighting the second world war with a flag and drummer.

[saltandsauce 0]

hmmm, you all know my stance on this so i would bother to state it,

My big thing about the "war on drugs" is that well, i've never seen any serious attempts to fight it, like school searches and police dogs sniffing random people in the street. Why hasn't that been done (i live in Britain) all i've had is one little video to traumatise us and that was it. It's not much of an "infringement of freedom" since we're watched more than any other nation on the planet. I am a cynic and don't think that people have the freedom to ruin their ownlives and drag down others with them. People are idiots most of the time and that does include me

some war, that's like fighting the second world war with a flag and drummer.

[saltandsauce 0]

hmmm, you all know my stance on this so i would bother to state it,

My big thing about the "war on drugs" is that well, i've never seen any serious attempts to fight it, like school searches and police dogs sniffing random people in the street. Why hasn't that been done (i live in Britain) all i've had is one little video to traumatise us and that was it. It's not much of an "infringement of freedom" since we're watched more than any other nation on the planet. I am a cynic and don't think that people have the freedom to ruin their ownlives and drag down others with them. People are idiots most of the time and that does include me

some war, that's like fighting the second world war with a flag and drummer.

[GoaSkin 2]

At first, everyone has privacy rights. Neither the people nor the politicans are willing to allow the police to treat everyone like a criminal.

Secondly, the police and other institution have lots of things to do. All of them cost much money - taxes. That limits the things what these organisations may do also. So they have to set priorities. And it is more important to invest the tax-money and all the other resources to fight terrorism and to catch murderers than to invest much time to punish drug users. The mandate of the police is to solve real and visible drug problems. To guarantee the security on the streets where drug abusers (may) disturb the public order and to avoid related crimes (like robberies by drug-addictives). Furthermore, every prisoner costs a lot of money. Around 170

[GoaSkin 2]

At first, everyone has privacy rights. Neither the people nor the politicans are willing to allow the police to treat everyone like a criminal.

Secondly, the police and other institution have lots of things to do. All of them cost much money - taxes. That limits the things what these organisations may do also. So they have to set priorities. And it is more important to invest the tax-money and all the other resources to fight terrorism and to catch murderers than to invest much time to punish drug users. The mandate of the police is to solve real and visible drug problems. To guarantee the security on the streets where drug abusers (may) disturb the public order and to avoid related crimes (like robberies by drug-addictives). Furthermore, every prisoner costs a lot of money. Around 170

[GoaSkin 2]

At first, everyone has privacy rights. Neither the people nor the politicans are willing to allow the police to treat everyone like a criminal.

Secondly, the police and other institution have lots of things to do. All of them cost much money - taxes. That limits the things what these organisations may do also. So they have to set priorities. And it is more important to invest the tax-money and all the other resources to fight terrorism and to catch murderers than to invest much time to punish drug users. The mandate of the police is to solve real and visible drug problems. To guarantee the security on the streets where drug abusers (may) disturb the public order and to avoid related crimes (like robberies by drug-addictives). Furthermore, every prisoner costs a lot of money. Around 170

[Jasoncw 11,940]

Originally posted by: saltandsauceMy big thing about the "war on drugs" is that well, i've never seen any serious attempts to fight it, like school searches and police dogs sniffing random people in the street. quote>

In my high school, a few unannounced times during the year, there would be a "lock down" where no one (not even teachers, they're being searched too) would be allowed to leave the classroom they were in.  Then the police and drug dogs would go through the entire building and parking lot, and would search for drugs and weapons.  Outside of high school, there aren't random searches, but many employers require drug tests.

[Jasoncw 11,940]

Originally posted by: saltandsauceMy big thing about the "war on drugs" is that well, i've never seen any serious attempts to fight it, like school searches and police dogs sniffing random people in the street. quote>

In my high school, a few unannounced times during the year, there would be a "lock down" where no one (not even teachers, they're being searched too) would be allowed to leave the classroom they were in.  Then the police and drug dogs would go through the entire building and parking lot, and would search for drugs and weapons.  Outside of high school, there aren't random searches, but many employers require drug tests.

[Jasoncw 11,940]

Originally posted by: saltandsauceMy big thing about the "war on drugs" is that well, i've never seen any serious attempts to fight it, like school searches and police dogs sniffing random people in the street. quote>

In my high school, a few unannounced times during the year, there would be a "lock down" where no one (not even teachers, they're being searched too) would be allowed to leave the classroom they were in.  Then the police and drug dogs would go through the entire building and parking lot, and would search for drugs and weapons.  Outside of high school, there aren't random searches, but many employers require drug tests.

[CLR95 11]

I don't care what anyone says about this stopping the drug cartels from illegaly selling these drugs! Just because having them will be legal, it's still bad! And they'll still be sold! and smuggled! The more people who can legaly have them in Mexico, the more people who will illegaly smuggle them into the U.S.!

[CLR95 11]

I don't care what anyone says about this stopping the drug cartels from illegaly selling these drugs! Just because having them will be legal, it's still bad! And they'll still be sold! and smuggled! The more people who can legaly have them in Mexico, the more people who will illegaly smuggle them into the U.S.!

[CLR95 11]

I don't care what anyone says about this stopping the drug cartels from illegaly selling these drugs! Just because having them will be legal, it's still bad! And they'll still be sold! and smuggled! The more people who can legaly have them in Mexico, the more people who will illegaly smuggle them into the U.S.!

[GoaSkin 2]

Just tolerating small amounts has no effects on the amounts of drugs that go into the USA. It is still illegal to own big amounts and it is still illegal to take drugs through the borders. And on the borders, there is a big risk to be checked. What shall happen? That the people prefer to smuggle 5g marijuana through the borders and cross it the whole day instead of taking a kilo with them only because they are legally then in Mexico? That is ridiculous and stupid. If someone crosses a border in small intervals, he will be checked clearly. It is still easier and safer to be illegal in Mexico too by carrying a big amount across the border instead of starting an ant-traffic.

[GoaSkin 2]

Just tolerating small amounts has no effects on the amounts of drugs that go into the USA. It is still illegal to own big amounts and it is still illegal to take drugs through the borders. And on the borders, there is a big risk to be checked. What shall happen? That the people prefer to smuggle 5g marijuana through the borders and cross it the whole day instead of taking a kilo with them only because they are legally then in Mexico? That is ridiculous and stupid. If someone crosses a border in small intervals, he will be checked clearly. It is still easier and safer to be illegal in Mexico too by carrying a big amount across the border instead of starting an ant-traffic.

[GoaSkin 2]

Just tolerating small amounts has no effects on the amounts of drugs that go into the USA. It is still illegal to own big amounts and it is still illegal to take drugs through the borders. And on the borders, there is a big risk to be checked. What shall happen? That the people prefer to smuggle 5g marijuana through the borders and cross it the whole day instead of taking a kilo with them only because they are legally then in Mexico? That is ridiculous and stupid. If someone crosses a border in small intervals, he will be checked clearly. It is still easier and safer to be illegal in Mexico too by carrying a big amount across the border instead of starting an ant-traffic.