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I had been raking leafs in my front yard when i had suddenly dropped my rake with a crash, and ran inside to grab my notebook and lucky pen.

What i wrote was this....

And what i find odd is that has been taken over by my myspace network of friends, who have  reposted it many times. 14.gif

But anyway,  i decided to share it with you all. 4.gif


Women are the future of the human race. The only people who would contradict me on such a thing are prolly egotistical men who do not want to give up their place of power in life. For some men, it is all they have, however their days of having that power all to their selves should be limited.

All throughout history, most of the main horrific events have been caused, in some way, buy the actions of a man ruled by the emotions of revenge and hatred for something or someone else. All wars have been declared by men, all wars have been caused by actions of emotional men, and have never been solved, or even completely settled.

Even today, in the young relationships of teenagers, it can be seen that this pattern is going to repeat itself. The young men want the power in the relationships, and the young women tag along held in the chains of 'love' as they call it. Not able to interject in the actions and decisions of man, because the consequences of doing so could be harmful to their well being.

One thing that I find really odd is that.... there is no record of a woman doing, or saying something in the past that has negatively affected the future. In fact, I could go further to say that the all the actions by women have done nothing but help the current future. For example... he American Red Cross was started by a woman, Clara Barton, to help the victims of the civil war.

All the men did was fight and kill each other in there. They didn't even attempt peace.

Women are the future of the human race. They are such, because their minds are rarely clouded by hatred, rage, sadness, or revenge and are only so usually because of the actions of an idiotic guy.

They are not blinded by the want for sex. They are as close to a pure human as you can get.

Us guys could learn a thing or two from them, and stop treating them as shiny toys.

Don't agree?

Well go to hell.

[Written by -- Austin --]

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I can very much so agree with you point of view. Women are naturally and perphpas relatively more peaceful and understanding then men. However there are some parts to your writing I have to disagree with.

All throughout history, most of the main horrific events have been caused, in some way, buy the actions of a man ruled by the emotions of revenge and hatred for something or someone else. All wars have been declared by men, all wars have been caused by actions of emotional men, and have never been solved, or even completely settled.

One thing that I find really odd is that.... there is no record of a woman doing, or saying something in the past that has negatively affected the future. In fact, I could go further to say that the all the actions by women have done nothing but help the current future. For example... he American Red Cross was started by a woman, Clara Barton, to help the victims of the civil war. quote>

This sadly. is somewhat false. I'm not being sexist, I do not want to sound rude in any way. Perphaps women on a personal level are much more (as I said before) peaceful and understanding. However I would have to point out many female leaders in human history, who did start wars/or were violent.

Margret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, Catherine the great, Bloody Mary, Tz'u-hsi to name some well known examples. Not that you couldn't easily shoot off hundreds of names of male leaders who have done much, much worse, but keep in name becuase of mankinds sexist history, there have been many more male leaders then female leaders.

I don't want to take anything away from your post, but I thought it was needed to point that out.

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    No problem at all, i love constructive criticism! 3.gif

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    Ok, my turn now, I guess.

    Originally posted by: Firebird

    Women are the future of the human race. The only people who would contradict me on such a thing are prolly egotistical men who do not want to give up their place of power in life. For some men, it is all they have, however their days of having that power all to their selves should be limited.quote>

    I think both men and women are the future of humanity. One cannot be without the other. No gender should be above the other. People are people. That's all that matters.

    Men who fear losing dominance do annoy me, but what really makes me mad are women who use the fact that they're women to do something for themselves.

    Originally posted by: Firebird

    All throughout history, most of the main horrific events have been caused, in some way, buy the actions of a man ruled by the emotions of revenge and hatred for something or someone else. All wars have been declared by men, all wars have been caused by actions of emotional men, and have never been solved, or even completely settled.

    Even today, in the young relationships of teenagers, it can be seen that this pattern is going to repeat itself. The young men want the power in the relationships, and the young women tag along held in the chains of 'love' as they call it. Not able to interject in the actions and decisions of man, because the consequences of doing so could be harmful to their well being.

    One thing that I find really odd is that.... there is no record of a woman doing, or saying something in the past that has negatively affected the future. In fact, I could go further to say that the all the actions by women have done nothing but help the current future. For example... he American Red Cross was started by a woman, Clara Barton, to help the victims of the civil war.

    All the men did was fight and kill each other in there. They didn't even attempt peace.quote>

    Gotta agree with crazyyaya here. Men have done things to stop war. Ever heard of Gandhi? And there have been bad women in history too.

    Originally posted by: Firebird

    Women are the future of the human race. They are such, because their minds are rarely clouded by hatred, rage, sadness, or revenge and are only so usually because of the actions of an idiotic guy.

    They are not blinded by the want for sex. They are as close to a pure human as you can get.quote>

    I do agree, women tend to be more calm and such, but not always. Also, about the sex, I would have to say that prostitutes are an example of why that statement is false. Surely someone who makes it their job to pleasure men has a strong desire for sex.

    Originally posted by: Firebird

    Us guys could learn a thing or two from them, and stop treating them as shiny toys.quote>

    Yes, totally true. I know there are men out there who treat women kindly and equally, but the way many men treat women is unacceptable. Rap music comes to mind. Absolutely disgusting.


    Rather nice. Yes, throughout history men have been portrayed as cruel idiots and women as objects, but really, that isn't the case. Humanity's future lies in the equalization of both genders. Yes women do deserve more respect and more rights, but it isn't something to be misused. And that's my dissection of your writing. Have a nice day 4.gif

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    Nice topic!  I've got words to say...

    First off, let it be known that I am a guy, and a barely post-adolescent one, at that (I'm 20, you see).  Also, let it be known that I was raised by females; my immediate family consists of my mother and my older sister...no brothers, no father, no father figure.

    Now that I've set the stage for you to disregard everything I'm about to say...here're my thoughts on what you've posted.  Note that I am in no way saying that you are wrong, nor am I saying that I am right.  I am simply stating my opinions on what you have posted; I'd appreciate it if no one took it as anything more than that.

    Women are the future of the human race. The only people who would contradict me on such a thing are prolly egotistical men who do not want to give up their place of power in life. For some men, it is all they have, however their days of having that power all to their selves should be limited.quote>

    Hmmm...I can't say whether I agree or disagree with this.  I can definitely say that Men, if we continue on our current path of subconscious sexual dominance, will definitely be the downfall of our current way of life.  It's obvious...we are, as you stated, too complacent in our place of power to give it up, and we'll destroy ourselves trying to keep this un-natural order.

    But...

    Who's to say that women won't commit the same folly?  Wait...let me re-word that.  Who's to say that women can't commit the same folly?  Not saying that they will, or even that they're more likely to.  But unfortunately, men haven't allowed women much opportunity to prove themselves, so we don't have enough evidence (in my opinion) to say how much smoother or rougher the world will run under women's rule.  I can say that women in general seem to be a less prone to power-trips, which is ultimately what will kill the Y-rule (once again, in my opinion).

    I like to think that a women-led world would run a lot more smoothly, without the wars, without the violence.  I'd like to think that...but there's no proof of it.  Not yet.

    Women are the future of the human race. They are such, because their minds are rarely clouded by hatred, rage, sadness, or revenge and are only so usually because of the actions of an idiotic guy.quote>

    I would love to agree with this statement, I really would, if only it weren't for the very last part.  I don't deny that having to deal with guys and our...man-ways can bring out the worst in a girl like almost nothing else can (note the word "almost"...I'll expand on it in a minute).  The problem with the statement is that there will ALWAYS be guys around...and so there will always be the potential for the worst to be brought out.

    The only thing that I've seen that can bring out the "dark side" of a woman as much as having to deal with an incompetent man is having to deal with the conflicting ideas of another woman.  I've seen this in my old high school.  The fights that guys start almost always stem from trying to establish dominance, and usually amount to nothing more than words and empty threats.  Conflicts between two females, on the other hand, were either based on a difference of opinion, as I stated, or because of the want of a single guy's attention, which you pointed out.  These fights tended to result in fisticuffs a surprisingly large amount of the time.  Of course, that's just one guy's observations in one high school...take it as you wish.

    One thing that I find really odd is that.... there is no record of a woman doing, or saying something in the past that has negatively affected t

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    Haha, yes! I love how this is making you all think about this!

    One of these days im going to take all of your opinions on this, and re-write the piece so that it makes a whole lot more sense, and so that it makes both women and men think of their actions, not just men.

    Thanks.... and keep them coming. 3.gif

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    wow.  Fascinating topic.  

    I'm quite impressed that you are thinking about these things at your age.   Miles ahead of the guys of my generation when they were teens.  (or most of them now for that matter but that's a different subject.)

    Originally posted by: 2nerdy4u

    Men who fear losing dominance do annoy me, but what really makes me mad are women who use the fact that they're women to do something for themselves.quote>

    "to do something for themselves"?  42.gif

    Like what?  You've lost me here. 

    Gotta agree with crazyyaya here. Men have done things to stop war. Ever heard of Gandhi? And there have been bad women in history too.quote>

    Very true.  I believe "off with their heads" is attributed to Marie Antoinette.

    I do agree, women tend to be more calm and such, but not always. quote>

    I think women tend to be less violent.   Women can, and do, get violent but usually something personal has to be involved.   Men are more likely to beat up a stranger.

    Also, about the sex, I would have to say that prostitutes are an example of why that statement is false. Surely someone who makes it their job to pleasure men has a strong desire for sex.quote>

    That is not how I understand it.    I've always heard that prostitutes are in it for the money and/or power.   Most encounters between prostitutes and their customers don't last long enough for the women to get any pleasure out of it.    As the saying goes, men are like blowtorches; turn them on and they are at full blast right away.  Women are like ovens; they need a while to pre-heat.

    Yes, totally true. I know there are men out there who treat women kindly and equally, but the way many men treat women is unacceptable. Rap music comes to mind. Absolutely disgusting.quote>

    I totally agree.

    Originally posted by: masochist

    I can say that women in general seem to be a less prone to power-trips, which is ultimately what will kill the Y-rule (once again, in my opinion).  quote>

    Women tend to see a group of people as a network.  Men seem to look for a hierarchy and want to establish the pecking order.   From a women's point of view, this is a waste of time and energy that could be better spent actually accomplishing something.

    I like to think that a women-led world would run a lot more smoothly, without the wars, without the violence.  I'd like to think that...but there's no proof of it.  Not yet.quote>

    I would like to think so too.  But the issue still remains that men enjoy violence.   Before anyone gets insulted at that, let me ask you:  how many guys here like movies that have explosions?  and don't like movies that don't?  I'm not saying that all men feel the need to participate in violence but it seems to be, at the least, a popular spectator sport.

    While that might be true, that fact is also helped by another property of the male-dominated world: the fact that history has tried its best to pretend that women didn't exist.  There may not be a record of women doing so because man has not allowed there to be a record of women doing so.  Onc

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    Well, I see where you're coming from, and generally follow the overall idea put forward here, but there are some things here that would be worth pointing out.

    Women are the future of the human race. The only people who would contradict me on such a thing are prolly egotistical men who do not want to give up their place of power in life. For some men, it is all they have, however their days of having that power all to their selves should be limited.quote>

    The closest thing to the future of the human race in reality would be ourselves and our posterity.  In spite of the general thinking of many people (about the opposite sex) that you can or can't live without someone, both sexes are intrinsically in need of each other if for nothing else that continuing to propagate the human race.  Even if conception takes place in a test tube, if either men or women cease to exist, there goes the human race.

    Then there's also the thing about children tending to have a better childhood if they have both parents.  That's not to say that there aren't exceptions, and lots of them too, but generally, if both parents care about their kids, the kids will benefit from that in a way that no single-mother or single-father can.  And no, I'm not discrediting the millions of single-mothers out there.  Most of them go way above the call of duty to see to it that their children have a well-balanced childhood.

    All throughout history, most of the main horrific events have been caused, in some way, buy the actions of a man ruled by the emotions of revenge and hatred for something or someone else. All wars have been declared by men, all wars have been caused by actions of emotional men, and have never been solved, or even completely settled.quote>

    Yes, this is true to a point.  Lots of the world's problems were somehow started by guys, but there's a couple of reasons for that.  One, until the last century, woman have usually played a low role in things outside of the home.  Also, like has been said before, there are women who have in been in positions of power in the past that were worse than some guys.  Second, women and men tend to have different ways of prioritizing issues.  Men tend to frame things into terms of a competition if they feel in any way threatened.  Women are less likely to do that.  The thing is, neither side is inherently correct.  Both have their advantages if handled properly, so it isn't correct to say that it's just wrong.

    Even today, in the young relationships of teenagers, it can be seen that this pattern is going to repeat itself. The young men want the power in the relationships, and the young women tag along held in the chains of 'love' as they call it. Not able to interject in the actions and decisions of man, because the consequences of doing so could be harmful to their well being.quote>

    OK, there are lots of reasons for this.  One is that culture still dictates that the man be the aggressor.  I foresee this changing over time, as I can personally tell you that I actually like a woman that will stand up for herself.  Secondly, guys are more competition orientated that the average woman.  Is there anything wrong with this?  Not if it's managed properly.  Then you can go into the whole realm of personal wishes.  What if you're dating a girl that "wants a guy that'll take care of her"?  Such girls do exist.  I won't go into more, but I think you get my drift.

    One thing that I find really odd is that.... there is no record of a woman doing, or saying something in the past that has negatively affected the future. In fact, I could<

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    Okay, I owe my life to women. The same w/ food too! 9.gif

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    Yes, VT, that is what I meant. People that use the fact that they are a minority or an oppressed group as an excuse to get special treatment are what annoy me. People shouldn't get things they don't deserve and they shouldn't make excuses to get them.

    My brain and my tongue speak two different languages. I'm not exactly all that great at putting my thoughts into words and phrases that make sense.

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    Originally posted by: masochist

    Don't agree?

    Well go to hell. quote>

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    Originally posted by: Firebird

    One thing that I find really odd is that.... there is no record of a woman doing, or saying something in the past that has negatively affected the future. In fact, I could go further to say that the all the actions by women have done nothing but help the current future.quote>

    That's just not true. There have often been powerful or scheming women, and always women behind the scenes. That most of them aren't featured as prominently in history as some men were doesn't mean they weren't there. Think of Agrippina the Younger for example; a woman who lied, seduced and killed in order to become empress and then secure the emperor's throne for her son Nero.

    Women are the future of the human race. They are such, because their minds are rarely clouded by hatred, rage, sadness, or revenge and are only so usually because of the actions of an idiotic guy.quote>

    This is silly. It implies that somehow all women are beacons of constant emotional stability.

    Yeah. 41.gif

    They are not blinded by the want for sex. They are as close to a pure human as you can get.quote>

    What is pure human then? Sex is a pretty normal human thing, I wouldn't call the complete lack of want for it to be pure human at all.

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    Originally posted by: Voar Tok

    Yes and no.  A strong sex drive doesn't equal being blinded by it.  It's a difference in your personality.  The key is that you don't use your sex drive as justification to do something.  Granted, this happens a lot in the form of rape and other sexual harassment, but just because you think of women and sex every 5.3 seconds doesn't mean you're blinded by it.

    quote>

    Maybe not but it can make it difficult to focus on other subjects.   Some of my ex-coworkers were totally useless because they couldn't get their minds off of sex and onto whatever project we were supposed to be working on.

    Originally posted by: 2nerdy4u

    Yes, VT, that is what I meant. People that use the fact that they are a minority or an oppressed group as an excuse to get special treatment are what annoy me.quote>

    Ah.  okay, I see what you are saying.


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    Roffle, so agreed.  Loved that last line; "Don't agree?  Well, go to hell."  3.gif  Nice job, Austin 4.gif

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    IMHO it's mostly socially constructed, not entirely bioloigical. I think it's a mistake to claim that men and women are all going to act a certain explicit way just due to their sex.

    Roles of each sex may vary over time between groups and because of changes in technology.

    where we are heading now is anyone's guess.

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    Originally posted by: Firebird

    All throughout history, most of the main horrific events have been caused, in some way, buy the actions of a man ruled by the emotions of revenge and hatred for something or someone else. All wars have been declared by men, all wars have been caused by actions of emotional men, and have never been solved, or even completely settled.quote>

    This has already been stated as false. And again, there weren't exactly too many women in a position to start a war, anyway.

    Even today, in the young relationships of teenagers, it can be seen that this pattern is going to repeat itself. The young men want the power in the relationships, and the young women tag along held in the chains of 'love' as they call it. Not able to interject in the actions and decisions of man, because the consequences of doing so could be harmful to their well being.quote>

    Well, that's just human nature. Men are programmed to want power. They're also programmed to be aggressive. Such are quite useful traits out in the wild in Africa, after all.

    One thing that I find really odd is that.... there is no record of a woman doing, or saying something in the past that has negatively affected the future. In fact, I could go further to say that the all the actions by women have done nothing but help the current future. For example... he American Red Cross was started by a woman, Clara Barton, to help the victims of the civil war.quote>

    Again, that's simply not true. Already been stated.

    All the men did was fight and kill each other in there. They didn't even attempt peace.quote>

    Well, once a war starts, you can't exactly just say "wait, stop, we want peace!", especially when your enemy has no interest in such. Besides, I think a lot of people would have preferred that we fight a huge war and keep our country whole than just let the south go, which is what would have had to have happened in order for peace to occur without a military victory in the war.

    Women are the future of the human race. They are such, because their minds are rarely clouded by hatred, rage, sadness, or revenge and are only so usually because of the actions of an idiotic guy.quote>

    You've obviously never heard of this thing called PMS. Besides, women's minds are quite easily clouded by a lot of things, just in different ways than men. Men aren't known to go nuts worrying about whether their outfit works, whether their hair is straight, whether they could stand to lose 2 pounds, etc. And let's face it, since they are physically smaller and weaker by nature, physical violence isn't going to be the method of choice for most women. Their aggression comes in other forms. The saying "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" exists for a reason, you know. Besides, what exactly does "women are the future" mean, anyway? You can't have women without men, after all. Nor can you have men without women. Neither is "the future", they're both required to coexist if they want to exist at all.

    They are not blinded by the want for sex. They are as close to a pure human as you can get.quote>

    The "blinded by the want for sex" thing is, again, nature. Males seek, females accept or reject. It isn't just humans, you see this across much of the animal kingdom. The fact that humans exist in soceite as opposed to the wild, and are much more complex mentally is what complicates things. In the wild, being "blinded by want for sex" can be a good thing. More babies means more of your species means it thrives, after all.

    Us guys could learn a thing or two from them, and

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