Jelligraze

Originally posted by: RiverCocytus Well, its a blast to play, if you play it like an arcade game (quick, build, zone, push that score higher!) but for a thinking game like SC4 it does nothing for me... I guess I'm just good at enjoying things quote> I don't understand what you mean: it's fast paced in the demo because you have 30 minutes to play. If you mean the campaign style play, where you have to reach certain scores, what's wrong with that? SC4 was supposed to have scenarios too, but it was incomplete. SC3000 had scenarios. Plus, with modding we will be able to make our own campaigns in City Life - which to me is pretty neat. EDIT: You should also be aware that the reason it rotated around scores in the demo is because only the campaign mode was unlocked - the free mode (like sc4) is only available in the full version.

Throughout this thread i've heard a few things I feel like commenting on: I've heard some mentioning of the game being racist. I think it's the opposite. I've played the game a LOT over the last week and I have to say that the main goal of this game in terms of the various groups is diversity. I've been able to satisfy my citizen's needs and while doing so having them live right next to each other with no problems. I noticed there was a scenario named Detroit in the demo files - I don't believe it's active in the game, but I feel that is what the game creators had in mind. I live right by Detroit and, therefore, one of the things I disliked in SimCity was that there was no cultural diversity. Anyone who knows the history of Detroit, White Flight, the 1960's race riots, or the segregation going on today between Detroit and her suburbs know what I'm talking about. I think culture plays a huge role in cities and, therefore, it should be that way in City Life. I've also heard some people make the, awkward, claim that SimCity focuses on "buildings," and City Life focuses on social groups. Wrong. City Life added, what I and many others always felt, was the needed addition of social groups. I've noticed that people who dislike the social groups in City Life think of a city solely in terms of the buildings and roads within the city - this seems to aesthetic and not realistic enough for me. I see a beautiful city as being not just one that has lots of parks and nice architecture - Detroit has lots of that, for what's left that is, but the financial and racial tensions in Detroit are far more complex than any system presented in SimCity. If the world were like SimCity I believe Detroit would be a pretty progressive city today - simply because there would be no bigotry or segregation. What is going to help Detroit prosper is cultural diversity - this is also what causes a city in City Life to prosper. Back to the point, City life is also about buildings - it will have a BAT and will include a decent number of buildings in the initial release - not as much as I personally would want, but still enough considering the game has a BAT. The only reason Monte Cristo is selling the social groups is because that is the largest distinction from SimCity, that plus the 3D which is also advertised by Monte Cristo. I could make the argument that SimCity is about commute times and road layouts - due to the release of SC4, but the modding community took care of that. I think modders are going to mod the culture groups so their not as "bad" when it comes to living with each other, but there will be some problems that must be overcome - just like in real life. Then again - for people who simply want a 3d SimCity, i'm sure modders will take away all the values from the culture reactions to one another - leaving the cultures completely indifferent with one another. In the game each group likes two other groups - i'm sure modders can make each group like all the others. I've also heard people talk down the so-called "arcade" style of play. I don't understand what they mean: it's fast paced in the demo because you have 30 minutes to play. If you mean the campaign style play, where you have to reach certain scores, what's wrong with that? SC4 was supposed to have scenarios too, but it was incomplete. SC3000 had scenarios. Plus, with modding we will be able to make our own campaigns in City Life - which to me is pretty neat.

BestBuy & CompUSA don't sell Rush Hour anymore? You can find it here if you want it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00009V3NQ/qid=1145062523/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-9550459-2969406?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=468642 I can't help w/ the downloads... i'm only aware of the Rush Hour ones. Sorry.

Cjah, well there could be some kind of a compromise there. I don't necessarily think cultures should be the central theme for a city game either - just that it should be there. Because I do feel it's a big issue and I think it's one of the most unrealistic things in SimCity. One thing I never really liked was how extremely rich people were completely ok with moving next door to a trailer. They should have at least put in a NIMBY feature for the three different SimCity classes. To where it was unlikely to see mutli-billionaires wanna move in next door to the Conner family. I don't necessarily know about the riots... but maybe an economic system where wealthy families are more likely to want to move when unwealthy families move nearby (white flight).

Originally posted by: GMT SimCity: 1989 SimCity 2000: 1993 SimCity 3000: 1999 SimCity 4: 2003 quote> with these dates in mind... it's just one thought to figure out when the next sc title will be released... 2009quote> That would appear to be the pattern. However, you also have to add in additional variables, Wright didn't have Sims & Spore on his plate between SC 2000 & SC 3000.

Originally posted by: jackel.22 the problem with having a social aspect to a city building game is just that, it becomes a social sim game and not a city design builderquote> A city without cultural issues is like astronomy without mathematics, all you have left is astrology (pseudo-science). I live right by Detroit and have seen what cultural problems can do to a city. I argue that culture is as much a big issue for a city as it's public transportation is, possibly even more so. A city is a social center, therefore it makes sense that a city building game needs to incorporate at least some social aspects to it.

Originally posted by: N_O_Body City Life is off topic. It is a social simulation and not a city management one. I don't think anyone would consider it an input to an SC5 design process, if there is one.quote> It isn't off topic at all. The thread starter is talking about the relationship between Simcity and another city building game and whether or not that mechanism would be initiated into future Simcity projects. How is that off topic? EDIT: Oh, and there is no evidence that City Life is simply a social simulation and not a city building game. Therefore, there is no evidence that there is a difference between the two and that a game can't initiate both.

Why not? It's more realistic. Ever been to Detroit lately? Or any major city for that matter? Segregation and racial strife are huge problems in many cities today - that's why the suburbs are prospering and the inner cities are failing. It all comes down to culture tension. Trying to create a culturally diverse city that lives in peace with one another is, in my opinion, what differentiates a good city (New York & Chicago) from a bad city (Detroit & Los Angeles). Besides, SC5 won't happen for another three years or more - if ever. Not when it has to compete with the success of Sims & Spore.

If anyone hates the french language i've made a mod here: http://forum.deepsilver.com/showthread.php?t=14457 It isn't perfect, but I like to think it's ok until the english demo comes out (assuming it ever does) :-D

Originally posted by: Jelligraze In the games talk forum there is a thread called "PC Game: City Life (New SimCity Clone?)" it can be found by searching the forums for "City Life" but it isn't actually listed in the games talk forum. It's a pretty big thread of over 300 replies & the last reply was on 2/22 yet it doesn't show up. quote> Nevermind, I just replied to the thread and that made it show up in the Game talk forum.

In the games talk forum there is a thread called "PC Game: City Life (New SimCity Clone?)" it can be found by searching the forums for "City Life" but it isn't actually listed in the games talk forum. It's a pretty big thread of over 300 replies & the last reply was on 2/22 yet it doesn't show up. I'm going to try giving a link to it, but if the link doesn't work please search City Life. https://simtropolis.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=39&threadid=64760

I played the demo doesn't interest me because the roads are prelayed Same here, but i'm hoping the full version will allow you to lay down the roads. I also hope it will let you go into a viewer mode so you can see how your district looks with the rest of NY.

I remember one day I was extremely upset about something that happened to me earlier in the day. As a result I sat in my room & played Fable from like 3pm-9pm straight. Beat the whole game. Other than that there were a few saturdays that I found myself playing SimCity 3000 Unlimited from morning to afternoon to try and create the perfect city.

Yeah... maybe they should add a forum for it here? Unless Simtropolis is in bed w/ maxis (EDIT: make that EA) or something. We had a Sims 2 forum here before it came out. As for the translation try this: http://www.freetranslation.com/ Have fun!

Just what did you expect from a trailer? Anyway, Monte Cristo games have so far been released in both Europe & the US so i'm sure this will also.

I can't wait for this game to be released. It will at least be something to entertain myself with until Spore comes out. I noticed this thread is in the SimCity 4 Discussion... there was also a City Life Poll not so long ago that was allowed to stay here too. I wonder if Simtropolis is slowly preparing for the inevitable takeover of City Life? Let's face the facts... the day City Life comes out might just be the day the SimCity 4 topics will have to be moved to the other games thread.