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Originally posted by: Glenni I just don't see why so many Americans think Paris is so wonderful, it just skanky, overpopulated and has a terrible air quality... Not to mention it got some hidious modern architecture.The buildings are also dirty as hell because of all the pollution from the cars.I also don't see why people have to drive like complete idiots there, haven't you ever heard of traffic rules ? I just don't see the beuty in it, it's just overated and living on an old reputation.quote> Paris is just a big city like London Tokyo or New York 12 million inhabitants live here, this city has 5.5 million employees, 500,000 students... Why so many people think that Paris is a city only for tourists. Paris is a big economical city with a higher GDP than most of World countries. Paris is one of four global cities (London New York Paris Tokyo) Actually the tourism is less than 3 % of Paris GDP. Paris Metro carrying 5 million passengers per day and Paris RER over 3 million) Pictures by me 73. 74. 75. 76. 77. 78. 79. 80. 81. 82.

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Thanks Ill Tonkso Modern face of inner Paris Paris is a very modern city but unlike London modern face are more dificult to see in the center The most modern subway line in Europe Too Modern for an european but it is Paris city of the love Paris and London are not in the average of European cities (Two global cities) City like Genes, Lyon or Birmigham are more in the average but there are also very modern .

Originally posted by: FavreKev04 GreekMan - actually, theirs tons of new buildings in EU, that look like there old. They do it here in United States, they build homes to make them look old, or they build new homes to keep the same Eroupean architecture. Even in New Orleans, there not building new styles, there rebuilding the shot gun houses.quote> Not so, old style is not very popular in Europe, indeed fasadism is a problem in Paris CBD but the majority of new builduig is build in inner suburbs with a modern style. Now Paris is one of city which build the most offices in the world (More than London and New York combined) It is comparable at biggest Chinese cities. Even Paris is the city with the most skyscraper in Europe it is not comparable at big american cities, but only one big district can be comparated at Paris in the Western World in density : Manhattan In Europe the mix between the old and the new is very popular. If you are good in observation (unlike many tourist) you can see some curiosity Facadism Modern style are very popular (Paris Rive Gauche : Eastern buisness district of inner Paris ) Now skyscraper becaume popular Tour T1 u/c (185 m Approved building It will be the third tallest skyscraper in Paris Tour Phare (300 m 1,000 ft)

Toronto is as diverse than N.Y. but N.Y has better skyscrapers I find Toronto more modern than N.Y and the subway of Toronto is cleaner than MTA subway. It is a very dificult choise, but it is not very equitable, in economical power only few cities in the earth can be compared at New York London Paris and Tokyo

Originally posted by: GreekMan beat that Europe quote> OK Paris 10 million inhabitants One of most beautiful and ugliest city in the world

Originally posted by: SimFox Originally posted by: montrouge quote> To add to the statistics of the business of the subways: Moscow Metropolitan 3200 million (2003) 170 stations 18,823,529 pas/staquote> Use the last traffic number ( the last released for Paris is for 2004) The number is too old in 2005 the traffic in Moscow metro was 2.603 billion passengers. and 172 stations 15,133,720 pax/sta But this thread is Toronto vs New York Toronto is in booming. How many skyscrapers are under in construction ?

Ironic post isn't it ? The choise is very difficult those are two big cities and I prefer N.Y but it is just because it is the biggest

One word : Ochanomizu It is Tokyo for me.

Originally posted by: Duke87 Originally posted by: montrouge No It is Tokyo the most used in the worldquote> Just so you know, "most used" means most total passengers per day, not passengers per station, passengers per car, or anything else. And on that count I am 1000% sure it's Moscow that wins. There's a recent book (mostly about New York) by Kate Ascher called The Works: Anatomy of a City. One thing that's in it is a comparison of the world's largest subway systems. -New York has the most miles of track, most lines, most cars in the active fleet, and most annual hours of service (24/7/365). -London has the most miles of lines (i.e. not counting multiple track miles more than once) -Moscow has the most passengers per day. .quote> Not really a system is with 1 millions passengers and 1 line is busier than a system with 3 millions passengers and 6 lines. It is sure Tokyo subway is the busiest in total passengers. Moscow Metro 2.603 billion (2005) Tokyo metro 2.077 billion (2005) and TOEI subway 738 million (2004) Tokyo has two subway sytems. .) But it is not the subject of this thread.

Originally posted by: ILL Tonkso That is also unfair, the tube is less than half of Londons commuter rail quote> Wrong Train in London is about 730 million passengers and Tube is about 980 million passengers DLR : 50 million passengers Tramlink : 30 million passengers but It is not wrong Tube is less than a half of all transit commuters of London Bus : about 1,700 million passengers .) Yes Toronto has more people per station because it has less stations than New York But I never said that Toronto subway is better than N.Y subway

No It is Tokyo the most used in the world NY is not so used for it size Comparison : annual average passengers per station Toronto 267.8 million (2005) 68 stations 3,938,200 pax/station New York 1,449 million (2006) 468 stations 3,096,000 pax/station and for international comparaison Paris 1,336 million (2004) 297 stations 4,498,000 pax/station London 976 million (2006) 274 stations 3,562,000 pax/sta As I can see with thats. Toronto subway is busier than New York subway, Hong Kong MRT should be the busiest subway per station with 16,189,000 pax/station In this VS Toronto win.

Originally posted by: Uumke I love the European style, allthough some american buildings can be beautiful.But Montrouge, Vienna isn't ugly at all. The only skycrapers are out of downtown. The city centre is beautiful, the Stephandsom, Oper, Hofburg.But of course, den Handelskai is quite ugly. But I have to agree, that Rotterdam is quite ugly, but some buildings are quite special. quote> I never said that Vienna is ugly because I love european cities skyscrapers.

You don't like european cities with skyscrapers Don't go at Frankfurt Paris London Warsaw Rotterdam Vienna Because all this cities have a skyscrapers especially those cities Rotterdam has little skyscrapers. Frankfurt Paris London (You can see already a pics) Warsaw Vienna

According the newest data. Paris urban area 1999 9,644,507 inh 2005* 10,180,000 inh Paris metro area 1999 11,174,743 inh 2005* 11,840,000 inh * With the same area size than 1999.

Wow Cayenne I never been in this city It is very far than Paris Cayenne is the capital of the French overseas région of French Guiana. The city stands on an island at the mouth of the Cayenne River on the Atlantic coast. At the 1999 census, there were 66,149 inhabitants in the urban area of Cayenne, 50,594 of whom lived in the city of Cayenne proper, and the remainder in the neighbouring commune of Remire-Montjoly. from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayenne those photos as the other was not taken by me 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. This read that this city is dangerous (but surely less than some eastern parisian suburbs ) French Guiana is an overseas department or DOM of France, located on the northern coast of South America. Like the other DOMs, French Guiana is also an overseas region of France. As a part of France, French Guiana is in the European Union, and its currency is the euro From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana

Thanks usual people only think of Paris like they think of France but France also have many interesting, diverse and beautiful provincial cities.

No Lyon is a very nice cityIt is the second economical and financial city of France Lyon is a booming city OK but Puteau is in inner suburbs of Paris for pictures of this city show Paris suburbs or Paris skyscrapers thread because la Defense (Paris High rises district) is located in Puteauw and two other cities of Paris inner suburbs. Lille City 226,800 inh Urban area 1,200,000 inh Metro area (French part only) 1,300,000 inh Lille is the main city of France's fourth largest metropolitan area (consisting of Lille, Roubaix, Tourcoing and their suburbs). It is located to the country's north, on the Deûle River. It is the capital of the Nord-Pas de Calais région. It is also the préfecture (capital) of the Nord département. It lies near the border with Belgium and its Dutch name is Rijsel. The city of Lille absorbed Lomme on February 27, 2000. Their combined population at the 1999 census was 212,597 inhabitants. The whole metropolitan area of Lille, both on French and Belgian territory (Kortrijk, Tournai) was estimated in 2000 at around 1,730,000 inhabitants, ranking as one of the major metropolitan areas of Europe From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lille As Lyon photo these photo are not mine. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. Lille subway (2 lines The second biggest driverless metro system in the world) 23. 24. 25. Light rail (2 lines)

It is not my pics. I found these pics in internet. ilikehotdogsalot That's why the inner suburbs of Paris are Paris. Unlike London or New York, Paris was not fusioned with its inner suburbs. Paris 2,144,000 inhabitants 20,000 inhabitants per kilometer square(exclude the two big park, the density is 24,800 inhabitants per Kilometers square like manhattan (25,800 inh per km2)) Paris is more comparable at Manhattan than at New york Nominal GDP about 150 billion $ limite de departement : department border Ceinture vert : green belt Parc naturel regional : Regional natural reserve Coeur d'agglomeration : core of urban area (The real size of Paris) agglomeration central : the rest of urban area (real suburbs) autres agglomerations : other urban areas (Include in Paris of Metro area) espace rural : rural area Paris + inner suburbs : The core of Paris urban area is quite dense 6,718,400 inhabitants (2005) 728 km² (282 sq mi) 9,229 inh/km². (23,902 inh/sq mi) (exclude the biggest parks and forest the density is about 10,000 inh/km² Nominal GDP of The core of urban area is about 450 billion $ Paris has aslo the busiest suburban rail system in europe RER 782.9 million journeys in 2004 (4 lines) Suburban train 270 million journeys in 2004 (5 systems ) Total suburban railway transit 1,043 millions journeys in 2004 Some RER pics

Paris suburbs are more diverse than this (It show only a little part of the suburbs of Paris) Paris suburbs host the most of skyscrapers and offices spaces in europe Indeen Paris suburbs host the most of offices under in construction in EU With his suburbs The nominal GDP of Paris is about $ 600 billion Peripherique freeway (limit between Paris and inner suburbs Western and southern inner suburbs (weathy suburbs) Haut de Seine GDP per capitat €62,374/$81,000 in 2003 Nothing in these photo are located in inner Paris La Defense world biggest edge city Northern inner suburbs (working and middle class Seine Saint Denis) Eastern inner suburbs ( Working and Middle class Seine Saint Denis and Val de Marne a view of Paris from the eastern suburbs Oulter suburbs

Wrong list Normally Paris is 22th metropolitan area the most populated in the London metro area has beetween 11 and 14 millions inh Paris metro area has 11.6 millions inh Seoul metro area has more than 18 millions inh and Osaka metro has only 14 millions inh

Originally posted by: jmjselect @ the person who said atl doesn't have internation influence: -the busiest airport in the world, also the terminal to america, (and for us the terminal to the world) no international influence? and that's just what I can think of off the top of my headquote> But it is not the busiest airport in the world per international passenger International Passenger Traffic for past 12 months 12 months ending September 2006 Last update: December 15 2006 International Passengers Airport Total %Chg 1 LONDON, GB (LHR) 61 442 516 0.9 2 PARIS, FR (CDG) 51 065 543 6.0 3 AMSTERDAM, NL (AMS) 45 476 222 4.3 4 FRANKFURT, DE (FRA) 45 441 206 1.9 5 HONG KONG, CN (HKG) 42 495 000 8.5 6 SINGAPORE, SG (SIN) 32 568 911 7.5 7 LONDON, GB (LGW) 29 653 887 3.6 8 BANGKOK, TH (BKK) 29 067 525 9.2 9 TOKYO, JP (NRT) 27 385 240 1.3 10 SEOUL, KR (ICN) 26 811 442 5.5 11 DUBAI, AE (DXB) 26 726 756 15.8 12 MADRID, ES (MAD) 24 089 822 9.8 13 MUNICH, DE (MUC) 20 815 763 8.3 14 LONDON, GB (STN) 20 712 986 7.9 15 TAIPEI, TW (TPE) 19 949 454 5.3 Lond

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Originally posted by: kibblewitbit i didnt know london was that futuristic last night i saw sum pics of lond from the 80s and there was nothing at canary warfquote> Canary Wharf was developed at the end of 1980's But the majority of skyscrapers was build in 2000