seopro007

You're not supposed to remove it, it's supposed to go over the top. I think you should learn how to use a pc properly. Then you wont have performance problems.

Well, I know for a fact it's your AMD, whether or not I like Intel. I know how to design logic chips and I know exactly how they work. Why don't you get a dry ice cooler system to cool the CPU down, or remove the CPU, put more heat resistant gel / compound on the CPU, you're supposed to do this twice in the first year for maximum heat dissipation. Or try getting a ThermalTake cooling tower system. It's what I use and CPU temp is around 17-21 degrees.

I thought Dirk was gonna do something to speed up this site, it's so slow, it takes away the motivation to get involved in this forum or read posts fast enough when you're trying to learn something or find something. This has got to be the slowest site I've been to in years. 20MB broadband connection here.

This might sound like a silly question, but did you add the passenger thingy you plonk on top of the rail? Is the passenger thingy next to a road so they can access it? Have you tried re-arranging the way the roads are, just making the roads go towards highways, forcing them to use rail to get where they need to faster... works for me.

I think it is. I'm an IT Engineer by profession. All of the customers I have had who have had problems with their PC games, my first question is, is there CPU an AMD, 9 times out of 10 it is, since it's cheap and nasty. After I convinced them to upgrade to a Intel, things were much better. Sure, Intel are expensive, but there's a reason why. Intel's last a lot longer than AMD, AMD as i say, are cheap and nasty and you get what ya paid for. C**P.

little confused what these cheats do, the list doesn't make any sense to me, any videos available to see what benefits they are, just curious. I don't see what everyone is happy about.

Oops, sorry for double post, this forum is dead slow. takes like 3-5 minutes for a page to load.

Mind seems fine, i've got like 250,000 in each of my city square blocks. AMD processors aren't all that good, they get really hot and slows down the overall performance. You're better off investing in a Dual Core or Quad Core Intel Processor. Must faster, more reliable, and performance kicks butt.

Mind seems fine, i've got like 250,000 in each of my city square blocks. AMD processors aren't all that good, they get really hot and slows down the overall performance. You're better off investing in a Dual Core or Quad Core Intel Processor. Must faster, more reliable, and performance kicks butt.

weird, probably need to remove it or it's dependent on another plugin. Those boxes there, the big ones, what's those, I got those on mine but I don't think they should be there.

Hmm, I've even increased the pagefile system for the hard drive, removed all plugins and still the same thing. Helllllllllllllllp.

Vista 64bit OS 3GB RAM 2x 1GB Geforce GX2 Graphics Cards 1TB Hard Drive 266Ghz Dual Core Intel Processor ------- Tried this on another system that's more powerful, same problem ---- this is my log file Log generated on 6/28/2008, 18:55 Flags ----- hardwareDriver = true DXT = true fullscreen = true MMX = true FPU = true backingStore = true forcedFSAA = false Strings ------- userName = SEOPRO appName = SimCity 4 version = 1.1.610.0 osVersion = Windows NT 6.0 computerName = SEOPRO CPU = GenuineIntel sglDriverName = DirectX sglDriverVersion = 2.0 driverName = nvd3dum.dll driverVersion = 7.15.11.7740, GUID: D7B71E3E-41D4-11CF-6E73-5B230EC2CD35 cardName = NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2 cardVersion = Vendor: 10de, Device: 0294, Board: 35b10de, Chipset: 00a1 cardIdentity = NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2 soundDriverName = soundCardName = Primary Sound Driver buildType = Release Numbers ------- cpuSpeed = 2672 memory = 3072 freeMemory = 1688 screenWidth = 1280 screenHeight = 1024 screenBPP = 16 videoMemory = 504 textureMemory = 504 textureStages = 8 bogoFPS = 0 bogoMPPS = 0 Rules ----- applying Sound applying high sound detail applying City Detail and Day/Night Settings applying low computer power> applying high computer power option 9 = 3 option 13 = 1 option 15 = 3 applying Texture Quality and Building Variety Settings applying low memory> applying high memory option 3 = 3 option 14 = 3 applying Variable Speed Automata applying default option 10 = 1 applying Standard hardware option 0 = 1 option 1 = 1 option 2 = 1 option 4 = 0 option 5 = 1 option 8 = 1 option 7 = 1 option 6 = 1 option 11 = 0 option 12 = 0 applying Standard hardware> option 1 = 2 applying Standard hardware>> option 0 = 2 applying Standard hardware>>> option 2 = 2 applying Standard hardware>>>> option 4 = 1 applying Standard hardware>>>>> option 11 = 1 applying Two stages applying Lotsa vidmem applying Not Slow GeForce applying Fast card applying Fast card> option 12 = 1 applying Fast card>> option 1 = 3 applying Fast card>>> option 0 = 3 applying Fast card>>>> option 2 = 3 applying Fast card>>>>> option 4 = 1 Options ------- Visual Effects current: 3 recommended: 3 Cars/Sims current: 3 recommended: 3 Shadows current: 3 recommended: 3 Atmospheric effects current: 1 recommended: 1 Water effects current: 1 recommended: 1 Software/Hardware current: 1 recommended: 1 Cursor current: 1 recommended: 1 VariableSpeedAutomata current: 1 recommended: 1 Translucent UI current: 1 recommended: 1 Graphic Detail current: 3 recommended: 3 Building Load Speed current: 3 recommended: 3 Texture Quality current: 3 recommended: 3 Properties ------- forcesoftwaredriver = false renderdynamicview = true renderstaticview = true renderwatereffects = true rendercloudsandfog = true forcepointsampling = false forcebilinear = false forcenoalphablend = false forcenoalphatest = false rendershadows = true renderdecals = true usesecondstage = true forcedebugtexture = false renderparticleeffects = true renderflorashadows = true renderterrain = true showupdateregions = false usecursoreffects = true drawlottextures = true drawlotfoundations = true drawlotwalls = true forcetexturerepeat = false usescreenshake = true renderui = true useupdaterectclipping = true usevertexbuffers = true showboundingboxes = false useoverlayculling = true rendersnapshot = false noaddsigned = false nopartialbackingstorecopies = false usescreenflash = true renderautomata = true preferopaque = false displayalertborders = true drawlotopaquetextures = true useviewcleanup = false doautozoomandrotationchanges = true viewoffsety = 0 viewoffsetx = 0 texturebits = 32 lodoffset = 0 shadowdebug = 0 maxparticlestarget = 10000 particlelodoffset = 0 effectprioritylevel = 5 backingstoremaxzoomall = 5 backingstoremaxzoombuildingsprops = 5 backingstoremaxzoomterrain = 5 backingstoremaxzoomflora = 5 shadowquality = 2 minvehiclezoom = 3 minpedzoom = 4 cursortype = 1 depthoffset = 2 debugtexture = 0 dirtyrectmergeframes = 2 sounddetail = 2 buildingvariety = 2 buildingloaderspeed = 1 modellodoffset = 0 stringtexturecachesize = 1024 particleeffectslod = 5 splattexturescale = 50 texbindmaxfree = 8 particledensity = 1 particledamping = 0 particlescale = 1 lightingupdatedelta = 0.0001 shadowmodelthreshold = 12 demolishmodelthreshold = 12 rendermodelthreshold = 6 rendermodelthresholdscroll = 40 particlesizethreshold = 300 maxvehiclepct = 1 maxpedpct = 1 opaqueuialphavalue = 0.55 This file is the Graphics Rules.sgr file. ------------ ############################################################################# # # property groups for options set via the UI # set VisualEffects 0 set CarsSims 1 set Shadows 2 set TextureQuality 3 set CloudsFog 4 set Waves 5 set Driver 6 set Cursor 7 set Translucency 8 set CityDetail 9 set VariableSpeedAutomata 10 set ScreenSize 11 set ScreenDepth 12 set DayNight 13 set BuildingVarietyGroup 14 set BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup 15 ############################################################################# set Off 0 set On 1 set Low 1 set Medium 2 set High 3 set CursorBW 0 set CursorColor 1 set Software 0 set Hardware 1 set Screen_800x600 0 set Screen_1024x768 1 set Screen_1280x1024 2 set Screen_1600x1200 3 set Depth_16 0 set Depth_32 1 ############################################################################# optionGroup $VisualEffects option $Low property particleDensity 0.25 property particleScale 2.0 property maxParticlesTarget 400 property particleDamping 0.0 property particleLODOffset 2 # subtracted from the zoom. property effectPriorityLevel 1 property useScreenShake false property useScreenFlash false property demolishModelThreshold 24 option $Medium property particleDensity 0.5 property particleScale 2.0 property maxParticlesTarget 1200 property particleDamping 0.0 property particleLODOffset 0 # subtracted from the zoom. property effectPriorityLevel 3 property useScreenShake true property useScreenFlash true property demolishModelThreshold 18 option $High property particleDensity 1 property particleScale 1 property maxParticlesTarget 5000 property particleDamping 0.0 property particleLODOffset 0 # subtracted from the zoom. property effectPriorityLevel 5 property useScreenShake true property useScreenFlash true property demolishModelThreshold 12 end optionGroup $CarsSims # Sadly, we have no off # option $Off option $Low property maxVehiclePct 0.0 property maxPedPct 0.0 property minVehicleZoom 5 property minPedZoom 5 # option $Low # property maxVehiclePct 0.2 # property maxPedPct 0.2 # property minVehicleZoom 5 # property minPedZoom 5 option $Medium property maxVehiclePct 0.5 property maxPedPct 0.5 property minVehicleZoom 4 property minPedZoom 5 option $High property maxVehiclePct 1 property maxPedPct 1 property minVehicleZoom 3 property minPedZoom 4 end optionGroup $Shadows # Sadly, we have no off # option $Off option $Low property shadowQuality 0 # off property shadowModelThreshold 40 property lightingUpdateDelta 0.2 # option $Low # property shadowQuality 2 # property shadowModelThreshold 40 # property lightingUpdateDelta 0.2 option $Medium property shadowQuality 3 property shadowModelThreshold 22 property lightingUpdateDelta 0.05 option $High property shadowQuality 5 property shadowModelThreshold 12 property lightingUpdateDelta 1e-4 end optionGroup $CloudsFog option $On property renderCloudsAndFog true option $Off property renderCloudsAndFog false end optionGroup $Waves option $On property renderWaterEffects true option $Off property renderWaterEffects false end optionGroup $Cursor option $CursorBW property cursorType 1 option $CursorColor property cursorType 3 # 256-color end optionGroup $Translucency option $On property preferOpaque false option $Off property preferOpaque true end optionGroup $CityDetail option $Low property renderModelThreshold 12 option $Medium property renderModelThreshold 6 option $High property renderModelThreshold 2 end optionGroup $BuildingVarietyGroup option $Low property buildingVariety 0 option $Medium property buildingVariety 1 option $High property buildingVariety 2 end optionGroup $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup option $Low property buildingLoaderSpeed 0 option $Medium property buildingLoaderSpeed 1 option $High property buildingLoaderSpeed 2 end optionGroup $TextureQuality option $Low property modelLODOffset 2 option $Medium property modelLODOffset 1 option $High property modelLODOffset 0 end ############################################################################# # # Configuration Rules # #< Current configuration sources, with example values: Flags (has, hasNo): hardwareDriver = true DXT = true fullscreen = false MMX = true FPU = true backingStore = true Strings (stringMatch, stringNotMatch): userName = awillmott appName = SimCity 4 version = 1.0.238.0 osVersion = Windows NT 5.0 computerName = AWILLMOTT-6776 CPU = GenuineIntel sglDriverName = DirectX sglDriverVersion = 2.0 driverName = nv4_disp.dll driverVersion = 6.13.10.3082, GUID: D7B71E3E-4110-11CF-F576-37200CC2CD35 cardName = NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 cardVersion = Vendor: 10de, Device: 0250, Board: 371545, Chipset: 00a3 cardIdentity = NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 soundDriverName = Unknown soundCardName = Unknown buildType = Beta Numbers (atLeast, atMost): cpuSpeed = 1894 memory = 1024 freeMemory = 624 screenWidth = 1600 screenHeight = 1200 screenBPP = 16 videoMemory = 123 textureMemory = 123 textureStages = 4 Processing stops after a rule if the rule matches. Partial rules continue processing. A rule with -any is accepted if any of its conditions are met -- the default is that all conditions must be met. #> # Sound partialRule "Sound" rule "high sound detail" atLeast cpuSpeed 1500 property soundDetail 2 end rule "medium sound detail" atLeast cpuSpeed 800 property soundDetail 1 end rule "low sound detail" property soundDetail 0 end end partialRule "City Detail and Day/Night Settings" rule # Windows XP stringMatch osVersion "Windows NT 5.1" rule "high computer power" atLeast memory 800 atLeast cpuSpeed 2400 option $CityDetail $High option $DayNight $On option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $High end rule "medium computer power" atLeast memory 600 atLeast cpuSpeed 1800 option $CityDetail $Medium option $DayNight $Off option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $Medium end rule "low computer power" option $CityDetail $Low option $DayNight $Off option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $Low end end rule # Windows 2000 stringMatch osVersion "Windows NT 5.0" rule "high computer power" atLeast memory 700 atLeast cpuSpeed 2000 option $CityDetail $High option $DayNight $On option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $High end rule "medium computer power" atLeast memory 500 atLeast cpuSpeed 1400 option $CityDetail $Medium option $DayNight $Off option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $Medium end rule "low computer power" option $CityDetail $Low option $DayNight $Off option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $Low end end rule # Windows 98, or anything beyond Windows XP. rule "high computer power" atLeast memory 500 atLeast cpuSpeed 1800 option $CityDetail $High option $DayNight $On option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $High end rule "medium computer power" atLeast memory 400 atLeast cpuSpeed 1600 option $CityDetail $Medium option $DayNight $Off option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $Medium end rule "low computer power" option $CityDetail $Low option $DayNight $Off option $BuildingLoaderSpeedGroup $Low end end end partialRule "Texture Quality and Building Variety Settings" rule # Windows XP stringMatch osVersion "Windows NT 5.1" rule "high memory" atLeast memory 500 option $TextureQuality $High option $BuildingVarietyGroup $High end rule "medium memory" atLeast memory 300 option $TextureQuality $Medium option $BuildingVarietyGroup $Medium end rule "low memory" option $TextureQuality $Low option $BuildingVarietyGroup $Low end end rule # Windows 2000 stringMatch osVersion "Windows NT 5.0" rule "high memory" atLeast memory 500 option $TextureQuality $High option $BuildingVarietyGroup $High end rule "medium memory" atLeast memory 200 option $TextureQuality $Medium option $BuildingVarietyGroup $Medium end rule "low memory" option $TextureQuality $Low option $BuildingVarietyGroup $Low end end rule # Windows 98, or anything beyond Windows XP. rule "high memory" atLeast memory 500 option $TextureQuality $High option $BuildingVarietyGroup $High end rule "medium memory" atLeast memory 200 option $TextureQuality $Medium option $BuildingVarietyGroup $Medium end rule "low memory" option $TextureQuality $Low option $BuildingVarietyGroup $Low end end end partialRule "Variable Speed Automata" rule "default" option $VariableSpeedAutomata $On end end partialRule "Recommend Software" -any stringMatch cardIdentity "3D Labs*" stringMatch cardIdentity "*Kyro*" partialRule "Non-shared memory" stringNotMatch cardIdentity "Intel*" atMost videoMemory 15 # less than recommended end property forceSoftwareDriver $prefsFirstTime end # must come before software driver rules, after "Recommend Software". partialRule "No backing store" hasNo backingStore property forceSoftwareDriver true # need to force this immediately end rule "Standard software" hasNo hardwareDriver option $VisualEffects $Low option $CarsSims $Low option $Shadows $Low option $CloudsFog $Off option $Waves $Off option $Translucency $On option $Cursor $CursorBW option $Driver $Software option $ScreenSize $Screen_800x600 option $ScreenDepth $Depth_16 partialRule # Enable more visual effects if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 128 atLeast cpuSpeed 1000 option $VisualEffects $Medium end partialRule # Enable clouds and fog if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 256 atLeast cpuSpeed 2400 option $CloudsFog $On end property useSecondStage false property texBindMaxFree 4 # Software now caches DXT. property dirtyRectMergeFrames 1 # software is pretty good about BS updates property TextureBits 32 # software hardwired for 32-bit internally. end rule "Standard hardware" option $VisualEffects $Low option $CarsSims $Low option $Shadows $Low option $CloudsFog $Off option $Waves $On option $Translucency $On option $Cursor $CursorColor option $Driver $Hardware option $ScreenSize $Screen_800x600 option $ScreenDepth $Depth_16 property useSecondStage false # Default, overridden below in most cases. property texBindMaxFree 4 # To stop thrashing, plus a little pad. property dirtyRectMergeFrames 6 # Default, for low-end card. property TextureBits 32 # mostly just for preview -- everything else # should be DXT partialRule # Enable more cars and sims if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 256 atLeast cpuSpeed 1600 option $CarsSims $Medium end partialRule # Enable more visual effects if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 128 atLeast cpuSpeed 700 option $VisualEffects $Medium end partialRule # Enable more shadows if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 256 atLeast cpuSpeed 1800 option $Shadows $Medium end partialRule # Enable clouds and fog if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 300 atLeast cpuSpeed 1600 option $CloudsFog $On end partialRule # Enable higher screen resolution if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 256 atLeast cpuSpeed 1600 option $ScreenSize $Screen_1024x768 end partialRule "No DXT" hasNo DXT property TextureBits 16 # we'll need all the VRAM we can get... option $ScreenDepth $Depth_16 end partialRule "Two stages" atLeast textureStages 2 property useSecondStage true property dirtyRectMergeFrames 4 end partialRule "Lotsa vidmem" atLeast videoMemory 100 # includes AGP property texBindMaxFree 8 # keep a little more round end partialRule "Slow card" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*128*" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*Rage*" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*Mach*" option $Shadows $Low end # The Radeon series has a very slow path for partial # depth buffer copies. This has apparently been # fixed for 9500 and later models in the latest drivers, # but cannot be fixed on previous Radeons because of # hardware limitations. # NOTE: disabling this rule unnecessarily may lead to # very poor graphics performance. partialRule "Radeon" stringMatch cardIdentity "*Radeon*" partialRule "SlowSubrectDepthCopy" -any stringMatch cardIdentity "*7?00*" stringMatch cardIdentity "*8?00*" stringMatch cardIdentity "*9000*" stringMatch cardIdentity "*9100*" stringMatch cardIdentity "*9200*" stringMatch cardIdentity "*9300*" stringMatch cardIdentity "*9400*" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI, Radeon" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI, Radeon VE" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI, Radeon Mobility" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI, Radeon FireGL" # results in special low-impact scrolling mode. property noPartialBackingStoreCopies true # try to reduce the number of dirty rects. property dirtyRectMergeFrames 8 # use black and white cursors. The Radeons seem # to work with colour for a while, but in low # memory situations revert to flickering. option $Cursor $CursorBW end end partialRule "Kyro" # still doesn't work great -- has problems # minifying textures in zoom 1. stringMatch cardIdentity "*Kyro*" property useSecondStage false option $CloudsFog $Off option $Waves $Off end partialRule "Poor color cursor" -any stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*128*" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*Rage*" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*Mach*" stringMatch cardIdentity "S3*" stringMatch cardIdentity "Trident*" stringMatch cardIdentity "3dfx*" # The banshee reportedly works, but this is simplest. stringMatch cardIdentity "Intel*" # 815E is BW only. 845+ is unknown but to be safe.... option $Cursor $CursorBW end partialRule "NoAddSigned" -any # this shows up as odd zone colours. stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*128*" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*Rage*" property NoAddSigned true end partialRule "Not Slow GeForce" # We don't want the 'fast card' rules to apply to these GeForce cards, though possibly to other GeForce cards. stringNotMatch cardIdentity "*GeForce 256*" stringNotMatch cardIdentity "*GeForce2 *" partialRule "Fast card" -any # We run well on these cards, so up the defaults. stringMatch cardIdentity "NVidia*Geforce*" stringMatch cardIdentity "NVidia*Quadro*" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*9700*" stringMatch cardIdentity "ATI*8500*" stringMatch cardIdentity "Matrox*Parhelia*" partialRule # Enable 32 bit graphics if user has decent computing power. # Paul P: My tests have shown that my GeForce uses less memory in 16 bit mode than 32 bit mode. atLeast memory 256 atLeast cpuSpeed 1000 option $ScreenDepth $Depth_32 end partialRule # Enable more cars and sims if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 256 atLeast cpuSpeed 1400 option $CarsSims $High end partialRule # Enable more visual effects if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 256 atLeast cpuSpeed 1600 option $VisualEffects $High end partialRule # Enable more shadows if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 512 atLeast cpuSpeed 2000 option $Shadows $High end partialRule # Enable clouds and fog if user has decent computing power. atLeast memory 256 atLeast cpuSpeed 1000 option $CloudsFog $On end property dirtyRectMergeFrames 2 end end end # For figuring out what kind of card we are sinclude "Video Cards.sgr" -------

I'm having the same problem, every time I try to run the patch: patchsku1top1 or patch-sku1-to-p2 I get this message: Old file Not Found. However, a file of the same name was found. No update done since file contents do not match. Does any one know what this means, and how to fix the crashing to desktop prob? Cheers

hmm, how comes this has been restricted? https://www.simtropolis.com/stex/index.cfm?id=3601

Yup, didn't work, so uninstalled it again, 7th time, this time with no mods and works. kinda p***es me off, cos you guys are using heaps of mods and seem to be getting on just fine.