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Date: 1/25/2006 10:25:40 AM Author: Sisu Wow, great region pictures! You must have spent A LOT of time making so huge region. Keep up the good work. quote> Haha, yeah I do spend alot of time working on it, but I'm sure everyone else does too, working on their CJ's. I appreciate the comment, thanks man.

Date: 1/23/2006 2:24:20 PM Author: GMT hm... something like 'wow, is that big!' would be the best way to explain my thoughts as i saw you last update. i can't remember having been here before, but i think i will drop in again quote> Thanks, I really appreciate the comments, and I'm glad you'll be checking for more updates

A Quick Update: Ventura County officials, in conjuncture with the cities of Washington Heights and Ojai, have OK'd the construction of California Highway 118. The highway extends from I-11, through the city of Washington Heights, to it's terminus in the city of Ojai. The main reason for such a lengthy delay in the building of this much-need highway was a few members of the County Council's concern over the future of rural areas surrounding the freeway. In the end though, the Council had to conceed since development of the area was inevitable, whether or not the highway was built. Current region population is 2,059,000

GreekMan - As always, I appreciate every comment I get. Mikeaut1 - Thanks for the comment and for following my CJ's. MayorTim - Haha, your cities look better than mine, don't be so modest, lol. Thanks, I appreciate the comments. dfnva - Thanks, my goal is always for my regions to look realistic. Current population of the Palomar-Ventura CMSA is 2,025,000+, so we've broken the 2 million mark. I hope to be near or more than 5 million by time I'm finished with the whole region. And no, haha the whole map will not be filled with development, there'll be plenty of farm land. With this small update I wanted to show you guys Ventura -- a city I haven't exactly focused on. I doubt many of you knew it was out there, so here it is on the big map: Here is a photo of downtown Ventura. It is currently the 3rd largest concentration of office space and business in the entire region, behind Palomar and San Andreas. However, there is land located on the far north side of Palomar that is planned to be a large concentration of office space, possiblyl surpassing that of Ventrua. That remains to be seen in the upcoming updates Here is the most recent development located on Ventura's far west side. All the signs of poor planning are obvious. And this is a view of Ventura Regional Airport. It mainly handles general aviation traffic and charter flights. There is a short-haul carrier airline that shuttles between Ventura, Palomar and Los Angeles.

Date: 1/19/2006 6:47:37 PM Author: mtbrocket Wow. That is one huge city. Keep up the good work. Lets see some more close ups. -Dan quote> Here's a few close-ups of San Andreas, since you asked for some Downtown San Andreas: Suburban San Andreas:

Date: 1/19/2006 6:24:42 PM Author: Micah I just edited my last post because you just updated it... my last post was referring to your earlier post.quote> Haha, my last post is in reference to the post that you have a line through.

Actually Palomar isn't real, it's made up. But most of the other cities (besides San Andreas) are real cities in the real life Oxnard-Ventura area.

This is really just an overview on what I've been working on. Here are the current region populations: Palomar CMSA.......1,980,358 - 1/19/06 Palomar............1,438,830 San Andreas........173,468 Oxnard.............157,968 Port Hueneme.......92,843 Ventura............44,250 Carpinteria........40,869 Palomar Beach......33,089 S. Palomar Beach...4,493 Here are some photos. I haven't really included captions but I'm sure you could tell what is where: Here is a close up of some of the suburban housing:

jasperdeman.nl - Thanks. I am trying to epitomize the Californian city, so Americanism is also a way to explain it. simster6 - Thanks for the comments. That is what I'm going for. Mikeaut1 - Thanks for the welcome back. I'm trying to be more frequent with the updates since my schedule has opened up for me to have more time to build. GreekMan - The population right now is about 1.98 million but I'll have the more exact number when I post the update in about 20 min. ginchael - Thanks for the comments. Haha, I'm trying to go for the Californian look, so I'm glad you think so too. dfnva - Thanks, I'm glad I have a follower in you. cnystrom1 - Thanks for the comments. There's actually an Oxnard, California and that's the map I used for this region. I'm showing what that area would look like if I were to have designed it. You may notice a few other citys have real life counter-parts if you look at a real city map of the greater LA area. oreon - Thanks, I've appreciated your comments since my first CJ. jacqulina - thanks for the commenet. Everyone can expect an update in about 20-30 min.

Wow, 1 month to the day since the last post in this thread. Sorry for the length of time between updates, I know it diminishes the interest in this CJ, but I'm ok with it b/c I enjoy working on my city. This update will include the never-before-seen city of San Andreas. It'll also include a few close-ups of Oxnard, Port Hueneme and ofcourse, Palomar. This is a pic of most of the Metro area. All names of currently built cities are given: This is a traffic view showing all limited-acces highways: This is my attempt at a vertical look of the region: A closer look at the NW part of the region: The central part of the region: Here is a view of the San Andreas area of the region, and the future spot of the Palomar Martin Luther King Jr. Int'l Aiport: A closer look at the future spot of the airport: Closeup of downtown Port Hueneme, CA: Closeup of downtown Oxnard, CA: Closeup of downtown San Andreas, CA: Here is some of Central Business District of Palomar (as much as could fit in a 800x600 windwo): Here is most of the Uptown district of Palomar. As you can see, it is mostly made up of hi-rise apartments, both for the wealthy and not so fortunate: And here is the Northside district of Palomar. Like Uptown, it is mostly made up of hi-rise residential towers. These last couple of photos are dedicated to the issue of sprawl within the Palmor metro area: Here you can see how the farmland between Palomar and San Andreas has been gobbled up by mostly low-density development. You can also see the Elevated rail line that connects the Downtown subway system and (proposed)Martin Luther King Jr. Int'l Airport. And here is a closeup of the encroaching sprawl. If anyone has any requests of a closeup of any area, I'd glady post one. Questions and comments are welcome

Date: 12/8/2005 6:41:04 PM Author: louisville327 Date: 12/8/2005 5:27:17 PM Author: flanig407 I don't understand what everyone's problem is with calling it the 'Freedom Tower'.  How is it a 'juvenile cliche' or an 'arrogant proclaimation'?  Is freedom not what this country is built on? Or what about the fact that it'll be exactly 1776 feet tall?  I think its a smart, honorable height that signifies the year our country was founded.  I don't get what all the hub-bub is about. quote> The reason 'Freedom Tower' is so ridiculous is because it's totally inappropriate for what is being built.  The new tower will not represent freedom---IT'S A COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING!.  It will represent American capitalism, which, while certainly impossible without a lot of economic freedom, is not the same as honest-to-goodness social and political freedom, which it is named for.  It's the equivalent of me naming my car the 'Freedom Scion' or my girlfriend's hair dryer the 'Freedom Blower'.  Social and political freedom has nothing to do with giant office towers built by billionaire investors as an eff-you to Islamic jihadists. Those who most loudly espouse the name 'Freedom Tower' are those most opposed to freedom---the Christian and Jewish religious extremists among us.  If Osama Bin Laden built a skyscraper and named it 'The Jihad Tower', it would be pretty similar. The fact is, the word 'Freedom' has become a cliche for everything President Bush and social conservatives want to do.  It has been skewed to mean American imperialism and economic domination---which I must admit the tower DEFINITELY represents.  And besides, if they have to name a building 'Freedom' anything, chances are they're more concerned with the word itself than actually ensuring that all of our citizens are really free. I'm like most Americans in that I'm already proud of my country's history (at least most of it), and glad to be living in such a land of excess where I can type on the computer just about any thought that comes to mind.  My dignity and pride do not rely on superficial gestures like naming every new thing 'Freedom' this and 'Freedom' that.  I'm not so insecure (or afraid of Islamic jihadists) that I need constant physical reminders of where I live or what my history is.  Save the grand titles for actual monuments like the Statue Of Liberty or The Liberty Bell---not office buildings constructed by billionaire investors strictly for profit. Again, sorry for the length, but people keep asking for it.quote> The reason Freedom Tower is a good name IMO is that they took the WTC down, and we're putting something up that represents that we are still free, regardless of what those who would want that taken away from us. You and others opposed to the name keep bringing politics into this as if Bush specifically named it Freedom Tower. It was a vote, it wasn't some political conspiracy to somehow get Americans to believe that what we're doing in Iraq is right or anything else like that. I speak loudly for the name of the tower, and I'm not a religious extremist OR a social conservative. I vote democratic, but I don't consider myself a democrat or republican. Get over the fact that the Freedom Tower will be a symbol of our freedom and a monument to those who died in the terrible WTC terrorist attack. It symbolizes America's freedom, economic prosperity, and resiliency to let others know that we will not be afraid or let terrorism change our way of life. Politics shouldn't have anything to do with this. My 2 cents

Date: 12/8/2005 5:44:14 PM Author: Compromise flanig407: Please observe forum rules on double posting. quote> yeah sorry about that

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Date: 12/8/2005 5:30:28 PM Author: storms991 Calling it the 'Freedom Tower' is just one of those names that is a morale and confidence booster to Americans. And it is one of those Bush subliminal messages saying kill the terrorists. Why don't they name is something like the 'Silver Tower' or the 'New York Trade center'. These may be crappy, but they are a start and a lot better than the 'Freedom Tower'quote> And do we Americans not deserve a moral/confidence booster? How is it a Bush subliminal message? That is a very subjective take on the whole topic. Just to be clear, I'm not a democrat or a republican, I don't support Bush or the War on Terroism, and I'm not just some cocky American.