Australian Discussion.

[Sam 163]

That's what compulsory voting is supposed to prevent. And it worked on that occasion. Just think what could have happened if we'd had optional voting then. The people who didn't care wouldn't bother to vote and One Nation would have swept the field largely unopposed, gaining a substantial cut of the power in Australian politics.

[Roger51 381]

Originally posted by: mrdazza_460
yah like one nation, Roger51 is lucky that those fools did get into power, or he would be hear, he would still be in Zimbabwe......quote>

Don't want to be stuck in that country, may not be alive... But yes I like the idea that everyone has to vote, otherwise the country would fall to pieces. But the choice now would be hard to make, as there is no-one I think that can lead the country forward.

[DazzaDazza 29]

Sam @ I shutter to think, i remember listening to what "one nation" stands for and thinking to myself, this can't be fore real, this chick is mad...

Roger51@ your right the k.rudd promised so much but I guess one could argue that he didn't get a chance to implement most of the thing he wonted to, due to the financial crisis, so we have to judge him on how he and the labor party handled financial crisis, and I just don't know..... The cash payment didn't seem to help my business, that stop to a walk at one point but is that rudd fault, ummmm I just don't know what ells they could have done, there was a lot of money give out...... the thing that bug me with that though, was people on the dole got the cash, I don't know what for..... on the other hand as I said before, the liberal parties view on climate change bugs me, and I didn't like work chooses one bit, to many large companies where taking advantage of it.

I think I will give K. Rudd my vote (for now)

[sneakeypete 16]

I'll be interested to see how the greens go in the Tasmanian state election next month, and what happens in South Australia (kick Aktinson out please)

[sixers33 3]

Originally posted by: sneakeypete

I'll be interested to see how the greens go in the Tasmanian state election next month, and what happens in South Australia (kick Aktinson out please)quote>

Yeah.. sorry to tell you, but there is really no chance of Liberal winning, they are a non-existent party atm.

[sixers33 3]

Could we be seeing a national referendum soon? Rudd accounces a national health care plan to avoid the blame game between the commonwealth and the states.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/kevin-rudd-announces-gst-health-plan-at-national-press-club/story-e6frea6u-1225836514716

And ofcourse, Victoria is in disagreement, as per normal >_>

[astronelson 339]

Well, it seems that it has the support of the doctors and nurses. If it goes to referendum I daresay it will pass.

Oooh... we're going to have more socialism!

[Asheroo 53]

Hmm, I saw this in the recent posts section and thought, " Australian politics, I've got to get into that convo".

Just to say, I am a dedicated member of the Australian Labor Party, so most, but not all, are my view are basically around our party's policy. My main hits against the party are the want of a republic, uranium mines and the rise of the baby bonus (which I hope to help lower by far by getting a motion passed through the party and straight to the government).

As for the asset sales, in case the media and the opposition have told you wrong, we are not selling them, we are leasing them. They basically are still partly owned by us, but just now also partly owned by another party. I'm all ok with it, I see nothing wrong at all. I met Anna Bligh last year at an ALP conference and she spoke about it all, and gave a clear speech about the real truth of it. I can't stand it when people say that we are selling it and that we are absolute idiots for it, because we are not, the media are. It's even frustrating for me knowing that people are turning their backs on our party just because of some lies about us coming from the media and opposition, but that's how it goes.

Also, with the recent home insulation incident, I do admit as a member of the party that we should take most responsibility of it, as we could of had prevented it, but we should not take full responsibilities of it. Why? A few points I have. First of all, the Howard Government brought in the ABCC (Australian Building Construction Committee) who are responsible for the workers. Since we have been in power, we have been trying to abolish the ABCC, but since the Liberals hold the Senate, we are unable to do so. Therefore, the ABCC doesn't take as much care for the workers. Also, a number of construction workers have died from work, due to a fault or some sort, and we can't promise the ultimate full safety as we can't make anything absolutely perfect, it's just not how the world is. That's why the workers sign a contract and risk policy, stating that they are under great risk of possibly losing their lives while working, they sign it, they accept and take on the risk. We can do our best to minimise the risk, but we will never be able to get rid of it.

Now, as for Mr Tony Abbott, well well well, I could shout all day and still not be finished with my ranting on how bad I believe he would be as PM. First of all, as I said in a monthly branch meeting a couple of weeks ago with my local federal member Kerry Rea, it's really silly and typical for the Liberals to get as their new leader, someone old, from the past government, and not someone new. Even worse, it's silly of Abbott to bring back all the old Howard government ministers. It just shows that they want to bring back what little the previous government did, particularly Work Choices (it's very well clear they're not over it). And of course, Abbott does not believe in climate change, and his current plan does not reduce emissions, but increases it according to research. I can't see how we could possibly save icons such as the Great Barrier Reef by 2020 with him. I just wish Malcome Turnbull was still in (I admit, I actually thought he was pretty good negotiating with us on climate change, actually working together for once), or that Joe Hockey won the leadership vote, then we would be able to pass the ETS (which I do fully support), but as we have been talking about in the party, we need to address the nation what the ETS really is all about, then you'll get a much better understanding as to why we are so desperate to pass it. There's no time for debates or a game of politics about this, it truly is, as Midnight Oil sang, "it's now or never land".

Anyway, that's all I'll say for now on current issues. If you have any questions, I'll be more than happy to answer. And thanks to all those who support the party and Rudd.

[DazzaDazza 29]

I don't see the point in a referendum for health; the government should just tell the states how it is. It's not rally a referendum type issue. The more I think about it the more the more I don't rally like the idea anyway, while it true the hospitals need better management, I also think the federal government could put so more resources into people taking up privet health insurance

Well the ABCC doesn't have anything to do with it, the houses that there putting the insulation in aren't new houses, most of the houses are some 30 - 60 years old, and they where cheep house when they where built, hence no insulation, the main problem are dodge contractors and faulty electrical systems in the house,

There should not be any exposed live cabals in a roof space, the regulation state that all cables should be double insulated all metal all metal fitting should be earth to prevent electrocution, and this is where the problem starts, most old house don't have a earthing system due to the fact it wasn't regulation back then, but that come back to Peter Garrett in some parts, he should have known this.

there have been a recent amount of fires because the contactors again haven't been fowling the regulations properly, the fires are mostly coursed when insulation come into contact with a down light, the heat from the light make the insulation catch fire, that why there is a regulation saying that there should be at lest 400mm clearance around every light, but the people that are installing the insulation are seeing the scheme as a cash cow there for they don't care about what type of job there are doing, hence they get lazy

Joe Hockey will be the next leader of the liberal party, after they get smashed in the next election,

[sneakeypete 16]

Sure, the governement could "tell" the states what to do by threatening to withold GTS revenue or similar, however i'd much rather that sort of thing not start happening in australia.

[sixers33 3]

The idea is to get rid of the "passing the blame". Let the buck stop at the Federal government, i think it's a smart idea really especially since many of the state governments are bloody incompetent.

[DazzaDazza 29]

yah but will it improve the hospitals, they need more doctors and better ones at that. The last time I when to the emergency room( as a patient) , I had very bad case of food poisoning, I got that bad that I was vomiting every 5 minutes, and I started to vomit up blood, I went to the emergency room and the doctor stood at the door way and said "why are you wasting my time, your not even that stick" so they sent me home, the next day I went to see my local GP, within 1 minute of look at me I was rushed to hospitals where I laid for 2 weeks with a drip in me, that's how incompetent some of the people that are working there are, although this was some 10 years ago, I have hear similar story's, they just get it totally wrong........ as I said will the rudd fix theses type of situations, if not it rather pointless.

[sixers33 3]

Labor are saying that it will improve the waiting times on things like surgery etc.

In terms of your food poisoning, you probably should have called one of those road doctors which would have given you an injection to stop the vomiting, and you would take some stuff to improve the electrolytes... that would have then possibly stopped the need of going to hospital for a drip, but if it's really bad, which it can be and continued, then i don't think that a hospital would reject you So they don't really get it totally wrong, it's just that a lot of people decide to skip the GP step. I've had food poisoning, particularly bad ones and i know how it feels, it's just horrible, i think i spent about 8 hours of it

However i agree there is a definite need for more doctors, nurses, surgeons, but that isn't really the point of this national health reform, it is to make the system efficient to avoid hospitals sending patients off and making a blame game. It should increase efficiency, waiting times and reduce mistakes. I think it's only a step, but one we need.

[DazzaDazza 29]

that’s very true, mind you I didn't live in the city, so you cant find a GP anywhere on a weekend, I also had something ells wrong but i cant remember the name of it, all I know is I couldn’t eat for 2 weeks, by the end I had a six pack from vomiting so much, also the hospital didn't even give he a injection of anything that night, if someone walks into a emergency room and they are stating to vomit up blood you would think they would give you just a little look, anyway that’s history now,

 

, it is to make the system efficient to avoid hospitals sending patients off and making a blame game 

But how will it do that,  aren’t we just pushing paper around and ultimately where are just changing who is singing the checks?     

[sneakeypete 16]

Well yes and no. From what i understand of the reports, the government is saying to the states "ok, we're going to take over xx % of the hospitals, and we're going to take the running costs of that away from you. Now the impression that i've got is that the amount the federal gov is going to take away is actually more than the states currently spend on hospitals (eg, they're underfuded). That's my non expert impression. As for pushing blame around, well, my opinion is that the federal gov. is a lot more accountable than some of the state ones (heck, look at SA where Mr Atkinson is still kept on despite his rather large mistakes and archic views), or Queensland where we have no Senate.

[sixers33 3]

Atkinson is necessary for Labor to win, because he represents the views of 80 year olds in the constituency of Adelaide who think society owes them and ofcourse, this state is run by that  minority group of people >_>

 

[ROFLyoshi 1,760]

Originally posted by: mrdazza_460

Sam @ I shutter to think, i remember listening to what "one nation" stands for and thinking to myself, this can't be fore real, this chick is mad...

quote>

Yeah, considering the only 'real Australians' are full-blood Aboriginies, the rest of us are from British, Irish, German, Italian, Asian, Indian or some other descent. Funny how shes going to England now.

I see politics at the moment as 'picking the lesser of two evils'. Kevin Rudd wasn't what he was 2 years ago, and can the Liberals have someone better than Abbott?

Originally posted by: mrdazza_460

yah but will it improve the hospitals, they need more doctors and better ones at that. The last time I when to the emergency room( as a patient) , I had very bad case of food poisoning, I got that bad that I was vomiting every 5 minutes, and I started to vomit up blood, I went to the emergency room and the doctor stood at the door way and said "why are you wasting my time, your not even that stick" so they sent me home, the next day I went to see my local GP, within 1 minute of look at me I was rushed to hospitals where I laid for 2 weeks with a drip in me, that's how incompetent some of the people that are working there are, although this was some 10 years ago, I have hear similar story's, they just get it totally wrong........ as I said will the rudd fix theses type of situations, if not it rather pointless.quote>

I got a bit of wire put through my finger & I had to wait 6 hours to be treated!

Even when I sanded the sides of my fingers off (got caught in a wood lathe) I had to wait about 45 minutes.

[sixers33 3]

Wow does our health system suck Although i think Adelaide is a pretty good city for health, and we have a new major hospital being built.

Also, on One Nation, i'm failing to understand how it once managed over a million votes.. i mean seriously that's scary. Anyway, good riddance to Pauline Hanson!

[ROFLyoshi 1,760]

Originally posted by: sixers33

Also, on One Nation, i'm failing to understand how it once managed over a million votes.. i mean seriously that's scary. Anyway, good riddance to Pauline Hanson!quote>

To the propaganda-mobile! Thats how all great dictators got in.

[sixers33 3]

 Australians must just be very racist

[sneakeypete 16]

I don't think one nation got over a million votes at any stage...

[sixers33 3]

Sneakeypete if you're going to deny what i'm saying, atleast google one million+one nation and make sure you're right.

" Both parties have been sweating on the 1 million votes cast for One Nation at the last election" http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2001/s337686.htm

and...

The right-wing Australian political party, One Nation, has effectively witness the waning of its influence, with Pauline Hanson's party losing ground in almost every state in the 2001 federal elections.

After attracting almost one million votes in the 1998 election, One Nation failed to gather even half of that this time and was outpolled by the Greens, who are predicted to gain three seats in the house of representatives.

http://tvnz.co.nz/content/66299

Over/Nearly eh still around the million votes mark.

[Sam 163]

They got something like 22% of the primary vote in the Queensland 1998 election and won more seats than the Liberals. For a newly formed party that is a huge percentage of the vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensland_state_election,_1998#Results

http://www.aph.gov.au/Library/Pubs/cib/1998-99/99cib02.htm#1

They didn't do so well in the Federal election later that year.  Although they came third in number of primary votes (936,621) for the House of Representatives, they failed to win a single seat (the other major parties all directed preferences against One Nation).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_1998#Results

http://www.aec.gov.au/Elections/federal_elections/1998/hor/fp_state.htm

However that same election Labor failed to win government even though they had over 50% of the two party preferred vote, they fell 8 seats short and the coalition retained power on 49.02% of the two party preferred vote.

The one million votes might have been for the Senate.

http://www.aec.gov.au/Elections/federal_elections/1998/senate/fp_state.htm

[ROFLyoshi 1,760]

Of course we're racist, ever go to Melbourne?

Melbourne is extremely ethnic BTW.

[sixers33 3]

Sam, One Nation would never have been a chance to ever win a constituency.

ROFLyoshi..i was joking, i wouldn't consider Australians racist in general.

[DazzaDazza 29]

Originally posted by: ROFLyoshi

Of course we're racist, ever go to Melbourne?

Melbourne is extremely ethnic BTW.quote>

what’s wrong with the people in Melbourne

[sixers33 3]

Originally posted by: mrdazza_460

Originally posted by: ROFLyoshi

Of course we're racist, ever go to Melbourne?

Melbourne is extremely ethnic BTW.quote>

what’s wrong with the people in Melbourne

quote>

Alot (I'm an Adelaide man myself)

But yeah, they aren't racist or anything

[DazzaDazza 29]

Well that’s your fault of living in a "back water",

No but seriously  Adelaide is a nice place 

although maybe you have been watching to much Indian T.V and there extremely one sided views  

[sixers33 3]

Originally posted by: mrdazza_460

Well that’s your fault of living in a "back water",

No but seriously  Adelaide is a nice place 

although maybe you have been watching to much Indian T.V and there extremely one sided views  

quote>

Lol your premier won't live down losing the defense contracts

I ignore the Indian Government and media, they have absolutely no idea what they are on about really, plus, the two Indians that were murdered was by an Indian aswell!  So much for race attack lol

[DazzaDazza 29]

Yah, so there some muggings by some low life's against Indians so that makes us all racist, Huh, as suppose to all the other muggings that happen every day. But I guess all the other people that gets mugged don't bring in millions of dollars from international students, I just think the Indian Government/media put this story up as a decoy for there own problems, I wonder how much the Indian Government controls the media over there, never been there myself, I wont to go there though.