UK Parliment Faces Unprecedented Situation

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Originally posted by: The Bluejay

I think I must be the only one in the world who feels sorry for poor old Gordon... I mean, he becomes prime minister, and then everything scandal, crisis and problem this side of Neptune slams straight into him. Worldwide recession, swine flu, MP expenses scandal, NHS, ID cards (I heard somewhere that was a tory idea that labour nicked, not sure if its true)

 

It's not! the tories(conservatives) are against it

Royal Mail, Coal Power Plants, 42 day detention..... Talk about bad luck! It's not like anything would different under Cameron.

 

LOL It would be very different.

Recession would go BUMPH in our faces a little earlier, swine flu would still infect everyone, MP expenses woulds still hit (actually, it would carry on happening but no one would notice because the Telegraph is a tory paper, which is why they always report on the labour and lib dem MPs)

 

The Duck House and the Moat cleaning were tory MP's

NHS

 

Not a tory agenda

and Royal Mail would be privatized right off the bat, though. The Tories are NOT GREEN, I don't care what they say and 42 day detention would be passed.

Tories were against it.

If the LibDems got in, no one would notice and if the BNP got in, we would all be brainwashed with semolina. Greens would be like the Tories but green and slightly more inept,

 

The Greens are a left wing party, probably more left wing than New Labour.

UKIP will attach all he submarines we have to The UK and drag it over the atlantic ("We will leave Europe" indeed. In case they hadn't noticed, we are on the continent for ever) Yay for long postsquote>

UKIP came second in the Euro elections, clearly a lot of people disagree with you.

PS Another minister resigns, caught switching houses to avoid Capital Gains Tax. A letter sent to her from her accountant has turned up telling her to change 1st and 2nd homes for 1 month to avoid paying Capital Gains Tax when it is sold. Worse thing was that she had just been appointed a Treasury Minister.

PPS Goverment today releases MP's receipts, heavily censored. Would have told us virtually nothing about this scandal. Surprise Surprise! 

[The Bluejay 40]

Originally posted by: Merlin of Flyote

Originally posted by: The Bluejay

I think I must be the only one in the world who feels sorry for poor old Gordon... I mean, he becomes prime minister, and then everything scandal, crisis and problem this side of Neptune slams straight into him. Worldwide recession, swine flu, MP expenses scandal, NHS, ID cards (I heard somewhere that was a tory idea that labour nicked, not sure if its true)

 

It's not! the tories(conservatives) are against it

Royal Mail, Coal Power Plants, 42 day detention..... Talk about bad luck! It's not like anything would different under Cameron.

 

LOL It would be very different.

Recession would go BUMPH in our faces a little earlier, swine flu would still infect everyone, MP expenses woulds still hit (actually, it would carry on happening but no one would notice because the Telegraph is a tory paper, which is why they always report on the labour and lib dem MPs)

 

The Duck House and the Moat cleaning were tory MP's

NHS

 

Not a tory agenda

and Royal Mail would be privatized right off the bat, though. The Tories are NOT GREEN, I don't care what they say and 42 day detention would be passed.

Tories were against it.

If the LibDems got in, no one would notice and if the BNP got in, we would all be brainwashed with semolina. Greens would be like the Tories but green and slightly more inept,

 

The Greens are a left wing party, probably more left wing than New Labour.

UKIP will attach all he submarines we have to The UK and drag it over the atlantic ("We will leave Europe" indeed. In case they hadn't noticed, we are on the continent for ever) Yay for long postsquote>

UKIP came second in the Euro elections, clearly a lot of people disagree with you.

PS Another minister resigns, caught switching houses to avoid Capital Gains Tax. A letter sent to her from her accountant has turned up telling her to change 1st and 2nd homes for 1 month to avoid paying Capital Gains Tax when it is sold. Worse thing was that she had just been appointed a Treasury Minister.

PPS Goverment today releases MP's receipts, heavily censored. Would have told us virtually nothing about this scandal. Surprise Surprise! quote>

The Telegraph only reported on Tory MPs after heavy critiscism and accusations of bias - and still only reported on them for one day.  

NHS and Royal Mail? Privatisations are the old Tory way of solving everything - Camerons taking a different line this time, but I expect a "after much debate and consideration, we have realized that the NHS and RM must be privatised after all"

Tories were only against 42 day detention because it was unpopular and they were the opposition - if the Tories were in, Labour would be against it.

Green party isn't left wing at all! It's populated by communist hippies (who have no influence on any political descisions, because they're nice trusting people.) and 50 something suburban Tories who join so they feel less guilty about the new 4x4 and holiday in spain. They are very much rightwing.

UKIP says we will leave Europe. This is physically impossible, short of getting chuck norris to drag us to the Americas with a rope held by his teeth. And UKIP only came 2nd because of the protest vote, and they didn't actually gain  many votes, the BNP actually lost some - but less people voted, so they had a higher percentage

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Originally posted by: The Bluejay

The Telegraph only reported on Tory MPs after heavy critiscism and accusations of bias - and still only reported on them for one day.

Just not true! Other tories have been included, and they're being announced slowly for two reasons.

1     to sell more papers, they're a business after all.

2     it's too much work to do in one go.

  

NHS

Just not on the agenda. End of story.

and Royal Mail? Privatisations are the old Tory way of solving everything - Camerons taking a different line this time, but I expect a "after much debate and consideration, we have realized that the NHS  must be privatised after all"

You expect wrongly, don't hold your breath.

Tories were only against 42 day detention because it was unpopular and they were the opposition -

Nothing to do with Civil Liberties then.

Green party isn't left wing at all! It's populated by communist hippies (who have no influence on any political descisions, because they're nice trusting people.) and 50 something suburban Tories who join so they feel less guilty about the new 4x4 and holiday in spain. They are very much rightwing.

No they're not! Thery're more Left wing than New Labour (that's not difficult).

UKIP says we will leave Europe. This is physically impossible, short of getting chuck norris to drag us to the Americas with a rope held by his teeth.

 

Being silly now! We don't have to physically go anywhere to not be ruled by a Federal Europe we don't want.

And UKIP only came 2nd because of the protest vote,

3rd last time, 2nd this time, watch this space! It's only a matter of time before we rid ourselves of the ball and chain that is the EU. 

and they didn't actually gain  many votes, the BNP actually lost some - but less people voted, so they had a higher percentage

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UKIP did gain new votes, BNP had less votes than last time, but yes many more people didn't vote because they have lost faith in the political system.

[The Bluejay 40]

You're perfectly correct in saying it's nothing to do with Civil Liberties. I repeat: The Tories only were against it because it is unpopular and they aren't in power (yet). They are not big on Civil Rights or Liberties of any kind - and if you don't believe me, look at who they're allying with in the European Parliament - Fascists. The co-founder of this alliance is credited with saying that homosexuality will cause the "downfall of civilization" and prohibits gay rights parades on the grounds they are "sexually obscene" He is a member of the Polish Law and Justice party - anyone remember the last, disastrous Gay Rights march in Poland?

And I stand by my "Greens are right wing" statement. At the very least, the green party has a significant and influential conservative group in it, which will probably win internal voting on major issues.

[Barbarossa 51]

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  Edited September 8, 2012 by Barbarossa  

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

Merlin of Flyote, I would love to see you reply to a post without putting your comments within the quote.  Do you know how to do it?  A "Q" within brackets ([ and ]) identifies the beginning and a "/Q" with brackets ends it.  Just make sure that they balance out in your reply and put your comments between an ending bracket and a starting bracket.  You will need to add/remove brackets here and there to make it presentable.  It will be much clearer to other members.

Are you saying this isn't clear enough for you

As to the most recent comments, Greens are Left, from a US perspective. 

Agreed, that's what I said, same as in the UK.

They support Liberal ideas, and in the scheme of political discourse, Communism is Extreme Left no matter where one lives (considering someone called them communist hippies - which I do not necessarily agree with). 

Also agreed.

The only conservative aspect they have is conserving the environment, which is hardly the same as a conservative philosophical/political belief.

Also agreed, it seems we both know the political spectrum.

Thx,

Barbarossa

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Clearly you have confused my statements with Bluejay's

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Originally posted by: The Bluejay

You're perfectly correct in saying it's nothing to do with Civil Liberties. I repeat: The Tories only were against it because it is unpopular and they aren't in power (yet). They are not big on Civil Rights or Liberties of any kind - and if you don't believe me,

they are bigger on civil rights than you thinkquote>

look at who they're allying with in the European Parliament - Fascists.

They are leaving the EPP grouping in the European parliment because it's pro federal Europe, they are forming a grouping against federal Europe which will attract every party that is against a federal Europe. That's not the same thing as allying themselves with other parties, except on the one issue.quote>

 

The co-founder of this alliance is credited with saying that homosexuality will cause the "downfall of civilization" and prohibits gay rights parades on the grounds they are "sexually obscene" He is a member of the Polish Law and Justice party - anyone remember the last, disastrous Gay Rights march in Poland?

Some people are against gay rights (the church for example) are they also fascists. Freedom to uphold ones belief should not exclude from holding other beliefs.quote>

And I stand by my "Greens are right wing" statement.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, it's a left-wing party, even if it has some misguided right-wing members.quote>

 

At the very least, the green party has a significant and influential conservative group in it, which will probably win internal voting on major issues.quote>

[The Bluejay 40]

PRECISELY! The Eurosceptic group is the one I'm talking about. And there is a difference between saying "I disagree with how you live your life and will do everything in my power to get you to come round to my point of view, however you will still have basic human rights" and "Oi, you ****ing faggot! *beats up" don't you think? If you were forming an anti europe party, would you let the Nazi party (with Hitler included free of charge) join it? No, of course not - but that is precisely what the Tories are doing!

BTW, I'm a passionate believer that Freedom to uphold ones belief stops when your belief requires others to lose rights - again, the Nazi party is a good example. They have freedom to uphold their belief that Jews are evil, even if the evidence they use to support this is complete garbage. However, they should no longer have a right to this belief when they act upon it and start killing Jews

 Barbaroosa, In The UK, The Green party has an extensive conservative base, as I have explained. As most of the left wing are more well meaning but non politcal types, the conservative base wield a great deal of power on social issues - After all, you don't have to be left-wing to care about the environment

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Originally posted by: The Bluejay

 Barbaroosa, In The UK, The Green party has an extensive conservative base, as I have explained. As most of the left wing are more well meaning but non politcal types, the conservative base wield a great deal of power on social issues - After all, you don't have to be left-wing to care about the environment

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What a load of old cobblers! Look at the Greens policies listen to their leader when she's on TV and get real.

[The Bluejay 40]

Are you calling me fake? You saying I'm made out of play-dough?

[Meg 368]

Just a reminder: Discuss the issues, not each other

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Originally posted by: The Bluejay

Are you calling me fake? You saying I'm made out of play-dough?quote>

Your words not mine. I said the Greens are a left wing party with left wing policies. If you can't discuss in a reasonable way perhaps it's best you don't. Don't make a disagreement a personal thing.

[TheQuiltedLlama 34]

Originally posted by: Merlin of Flyote

The Greens are a left wing party, probably more left wing than New Labour.

quote>

 Is that even possible!

But yes, you are right, the Green Party is more left wing than New Labour. Not that it takes much. ]

Quotes from the policy part of the Green Party website:

The Green Party would:

• Ensure that the British military is only used in self defence, or as a last resort, within an international UN-led policing force..quote>

Such support for the UN is typical of the left and old Labour.

Current government policy is selling our hospitals and health care services to private companies, costing the tax payers more money and reducing the ability of clinical staff to provide good health care. The supposed promotion of choice does nothing to ensure that efficient and effective health care is provided locally and actually limits many of the true freedoms currently enjoyed.quote>

Opposition to the privatization or semi-privitztization of public services is nothing if not left-wing.

Bring the railway system back into public ownership

Greens are internationalist by nature. We believe our place in the world is made more secure when the world's environmental and social problems are being solved by successful international relations based on global co-operation.quote>

ect.

Originally posted by: The Bluejay

 Barbaroosa, In The UK, The Green party has an extensive conservative base, as I have explained. As most of the left wing are more well meaning but non politcal types, the conservative base wield a great deal of power on social issues - After all, you don't have to be left-wing to care about the environment[/Q}

Can you show a single Green Party policy that can be described as Conservative or Right-wing?

 

[belfastuniguy 18]

Such drama and hyperbole.

While yes the British political system has indeed suffered a terrible lost of trust and faith due to the actions of some MP's, (best we remember that wrong doing was not carried out by a majority), I don;t think our entire system is nearing some abyss.

We have the most stable democracy in modern human civilisation and that shall continue. I wholly agree that reform of expenses are required in order to regain the trust of the great British public in addition to that I believe some reforms are required of the system itself.

However.....we must be incredibly careful not to rush new changes to simply quell public dissatisfaction, such things could be horrendously put together and result in a below par system that benefits no-one.

An informed, intelligent debate is required from all parties and from the public who for too long has become lazy and purposely disenfranchised and that was so clearly demonstrated by the gain of the BNP in the EU elections, and utter disgrace it was to.

The media also have to become more mature on this specific aspect and not rush to publish hyperbole and every tit-bit of drama they come across, while it may be entertaining for some the drip drip is proving incredibly damaging to our long established democratic system.

We need to move on, address the expenses reform and then start a nationwide debate on the future of the direction of British politics and that includes constitutional reform.

[The Bluejay 40]

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Last warning:  Discuss the issues, not each other

-Ski

[The Bluejay 40]

It was a joke. You know, with the humour and stuff? I've got bucketloads, I'm sorry if it was taken badly. Can I have my post back now? Please??

Pretty please?

I'll give you cookies?

[Meg 368]

We take the "Discuss the issues, not each other" rule very seriously, otherwise these threads would turn into flame wars.

As for having your post back . . . I didn't keep it.

But thank you for bringing cookies that we all can share.  

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Labour Government is now retreating from many of it's Flag-ship policies,such as ID cards (now completely voluntary) and part-privatisation of the Royal Mail (now shelved). It's a government in retreat. Only 44 weeks of life left.