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To clarify some things here:

Economic systems:

Communism-Government controls entire economy

Socialism-Government controls vital public resources (healthcare, energy, etc.)

Capitalism-Government allows the market to control itself, private companies control resources

Political Systems:

Facism/Theocracy-Government actively discriminates against a group(s) of people based on physical/ideological differences (Nazi party)

Dictatorship-Usually combined with the above, one leader controls the country (Hitler)

Oligarchy-A small group of people controls the government (Apartheid-era South Africa)

Republic-People vote for representatives primarily, but also officeholders (United States)

Democracy-People vote for officeholders and actively participate in government (no modern incarnations)

To counter the ignorance in this thread:

Socialism and Communism, and the Democratic party are NOT the same thing, a lot of Americans have trouble understanding this.

The Electoral College involves citizens of states electing a political party who then support their candiates to the office of the President, this is why we have the RNC, the DNC, etc, every year, the parties nominate who they are going to support when they get electoral votes. 

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Originally posted by: Boggy1

Funnily enough I don't give a rabbit's thistle about your freedom of expression and rights. Or mine. I just want to be happy, and lead a positive life where I can ideally make a good impact on my community,quote>

And you're capable of being happy sans the right to free speech and/or other rights? Wow. I don't know whether to be totally in awe of that or utterly disturbed by it.

in peace and sunshine and happiness and flowers and butterflies and all those good things. quote>

I sincerely hope that wasn't serious.

I do not have time for people who vehemently wish to destroy my way of life, or anyone elses. I can ignore them; but it's even better if they are shut out entirely. Just makes it easier.quote>

For you, maybe. What about for them? You may think nothing of shutting people out whose views you do not like, but I doubt they like that very much. And somehow, I doubt you would either if you were the one being shut out.

Originally posted by: screamingman12

The Electoral College involves citizens of states electing a political party who then support their candiates to the office of the President, this is why we have the RNC, the DNC, etc, every year, the parties nominate who they are going to support when they get electoral votes. 

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Sort of. Seven electors from Connecticut went for Obama becaue he won the popular vote. They were electors from the democratic party, and they could have in theory turned around and voted for someone else entirely... but that kind of thing would be highly unlikely to occur since you can bet that the public would yell and scream about the trickery involved, and it would have to happen on a large scale to make an individual that people didn't vote for win.

So, while technically one is voting for electors for a party, the effect is the same as voting for electors for an individual.

And in any case, every other office from your senators down to your local dog catcher is decided by votes directly for a person, not a party.

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Oligarchy-A small group of people controls the government (Apartheid-era South Africa)

Republic-People vote for representatives primarily, but also officeholders (United States)

Democracy-People vote for officeholders and actively participate in government (no modern incarnations)quote>

._. And Parliamentary monarchies? where do they rank?

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Economic systems:

Communism-Government controls entire economy

Socialism-Government controls vital public resources (healthcare, energy, etc.)

Capitalism-Government allows the market to control itself, private companies control resourcesquote>

Perhaps you should read more texts on the subject. Why did the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics not call them the Communist Republics? Because they were socialist, not communist. There are varying degrees of socialism, but the one you mentioned would be a mixed economy, like in Europe.

So, here are my simple definitions of economic systems:

Capitalism: Private ownership of means of production

Fascism: Private, government-influenced ownership of means of production

Socialism: Government ownership of means of means of production

The different systems have their own points, such as bankruptcy in capitalism, or complete ownership of property by the government in socialism, but the above outline gets the essentials of each system. I did not include communism because that theory as envisioned by Karl Marx is not in practice today, and only once was ever tried beyond a small scale.

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Political Systems:

Facism/Theocracy-Government actively discriminates against a group(s) of people based on physical/ideological differences (Nazi party)quote>

Theocracy? Is not the defining point of that is that it claims to be divine, divinely guided, et cetera? Also, that is a rather incomplete descriptipn of fascism.

Dictatorship-Usually combined with the above, one leader controls the country (Hitler)quote>

I can't disagree with that.

Oligarchy-A small group of people controls the government (Apartheid-era South Africa)quote>

The classic example would be Sparta, but your description is correct.

Republic-People vote for representatives primarily, but also officeholders (United States)quote>

Represenatives? Don't they hold office?

Democracy-People vote for officeholders and actively participate in government (no modern incarnations)quote>

Very true.

Socialism and Communism, and the Democratic party are NOT the same thing, a lot of Americans have trouble understanding this.

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I know. It is mind-blowing to see how those ideologies have become so distorted since the 1930's.

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Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

Economic systems:

Communism-Government controls entire economy

Socialism-Government controls vital public resources (healthcare, energy, etc.)

Capitalism-Government allows the market to control itself, private companies control resourcesquote>

Perhaps you should read more texts on the subject. Why did the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics not call them the Communist Republics? Because they were socialist, not communist. There are varying degrees of socialism, but the one you mentioned would be a mixed economy, like in Europe.quote>

The word "socialism" has been more of a cacheall to make it sound "nice" than an actual practiced principal behind those type of governments,  for example, I know very few people who would agree that the Nazi party was true socialism. Facism (in my mind) is more of a political theory with an economic system branching off of it, stating that races are in perpetual conflict against each other, basically organized Social Darwinism. 

So, here are my simple definitions of economic systems:

Capitalism: Private ownership of means of production

Fascism: Private, government-influenced ownership of means of production

Socialism: Government ownership of means of means of production

The different systems have their own points, such as bankruptcy in capitalism, or complete ownership of property by the government in socialism, but the above outline gets the essentials of each system. I did not include communism because that theory as envisioned by Karl Marx is not in practice today, and only once was ever tried beyond a small scale.quote>

Facism as an economic system is more of what I would call paranoia, basically nationalizing things regardless of what they do or what they are, thinking that everything will lead to an economic collapse. I grouped it with Theocracy as they both prosecute/persecute/kill off those who don't agree with them. 

 I also think that Socialism and Communism are very different points. The way I've always known it, Communism is where the government tries to control every aspect of industry, and everything else, and socialism is a welfare state that allows private enterprize where it wants to exist. I know that its more of a mixed economy, as in some countries (such as England), the government programs have competition by private companies, but nonetheless, when a lot of Americans look at Europe, their knee-jerk reaction is "Socialism".   What Lenin & Co. ended up doing wasn't pure Communism, but was strongly influenced by Marx, Cuba is based on Marx slightly moreso than the USSR was. 

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I also think that Socialism and Communism are very different points. The way I've always known it, Communism is where the government tries to control every aspect of industry, and everything else, and socialism is a welfare state that allows private enterprize where it wants to exist.quote>

I would say that is the present, popular American definition of those two ideologies, but you won't find anything resembling that in the original propositions and states. Like fascism, it has been distorted.

I know that its more of a mixed economy, as in some countries (such as England), the government programs have competition by private companies, but nonetheless, when a lot of Americans look at Europe, their knee-jerk reaction is "Socialism".quote>

Possibly because Europe is more socialist than the US, although not at full socialism at this time.