Anti-Gay Verdict

[coolotter88 2]

to give pleasure to the people who perpetrate it? technically that is good...from the PoV of the rapist.

and it's spelled ad nauseum

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: Insane Child of Bodom bad things happen to balence the good...u don't need a god or religion to know about Karma...quote>

Er... that's not what karma is. Karma is the idea that doing bad things causes you to be subject to bad things, and doing good things causes you to be subject to good things.

And religion or not, that does have truth to it, since bad people get disliked and good people get liked better, and how people treat you is generally directly dependent on how much they like you.

Christianity's golden rule ("do unto others as you would have them do unto you") can be said to be an analog to karma for this reason.

Speaking of which, next time a member of this church dies, we should all go picket their funeral. See how they like it.

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

Originally posted by: coolotter88 to give pleasure to the people who perpetrate it? technically that is good...from the PoV of the rapist.

and it's spelled ad nauseumquote>

But why would an all-loving, perfect God condone the things in which he condemns, hmm?  There is, in the Christian sense, no good that comes out of child rape.  And yet they say that "everything happens for a reason" and that "God works in mysterious ways."... Please...  Show them a child pornography tape, and then let them try to reiterate that statement.  I can guarantee you that they won't, unless they're members of the Westboro Baptist Church...

Edited for content. Talk about the issue, not each other. - Mike

[Mikeaut1 261]

Originally posted by: Psycho_Teddy

Originally posted by: coolotter88 to give pleasure to the people who perpetrate it? technically that is good...from the PoV of the rapist.

and it's spelled ad nauseumquote>

But why would an all-loving, perfect God condone the things in which he condemns, hmm?  There is, in the Christian sense, no good that comes out of child rape.  And yet they say that "everything happens for a reason" and that "God works in mysterious ways."... Please...  Show them a child pornography tape, and then let them try to reiterate that statement.  I can guarantee you that they won't, unless they're members of the Westboro Baptist Church...

Edited for content. Talk about the issue, not each other. - Mikequote>

That's where many people question. 

God doesn't condone that behavior. Child rape/pornagraphy is considered a sin. God offers you forgiveness for your sins, he always has, always will. I don't think you can apply "God works in mysterious ways" to child rape. Child rape is a sin, and thanks to Adam and Eve who disobeyed God way in Genesis, there is sin in the world. And God saw that there was sin and sent down Jesus Christ to DIE for that sin and offer forgiveness for everyone on this earth. But God does give punishment to those who sin and are not cleansed of his blood. If you want to read more in the Bible about how God lets bad things happen to his people, read the Book of Job in the Old Testament.

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

Originally posted by: Mikeaut1

Originally posted by: Psycho_Teddy

Originally posted by: coolotter88 to give pleasure to the people who perpetrate it? technically that is good...from the PoV of the rapist.

and it's spelled ad nauseumquote>

But why would an all-loving, perfect God condone the things in which he condemns, hmm?  There is, in the Christian sense, no good that comes out of child rape.  And yet they say that "everything happens for a reason" and that "God works in mysterious ways."... Please...  Show them a child pornography tape, and then let them try to reiterate that statement.  I can guarantee you that they won't, unless they're members of the Westboro Baptist Church...

Edited for content. Talk about the issue, not each other. - Mikequote>

That's where many people question. 

God doesn't condone that behavior. Child rape/pornagraphy is considered a sin. God offers you forgiveness for your sins, he always has, always will. I don't think you can apply "God works in mysterious ways" to child rape. Child rape is a sin, and thanks to Adam and Eve who disobeyed God way in Genesis, there is sin in the world. And God saw that there was sin and sent down Jesus Christ to DIE for that sin and offer forgiveness for everyone on this earth. But God does give punishment to those who sin and are not cleansed of his blood. If you want to read more in the Bible about how God lets bad things happen to his people, read the Book of Job in the Old Testament.quote>

But now my question is:  Why did God, who is supposed to be perfect in everything he does, create a system which He knew was destined for imperfection, and ultimately, failure?  He didn't have to create the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and He didn't have to create Satan.  So, why did He?  Would this not be a condoning of evil in and of itself?  If God despises everything about evil, then why did He create evil, or even the potential for evil?

[EDIT]: I apologize for the above statement about coolotter...  I was a bit out of line...

Also, not to seem pompous or anything, but I have spent half of my education in Christian schools, I know all about the book of Job.  And, it still makes no sense to me.  Why does God need to prove something to Satan?  This almost makes it seem like a bar bet, on some divine scale. 

[KingTitan 6]

Originally posted by: Psycho_Teddy

Originally posted by: Mikeaut1

Originally posted by: Psycho_Teddy

Originally posted by: coolotter88 to give pleasure to the people who perpetrate it? technically that is good...from the PoV of the rapist.

and it's spelled ad nauseumquote>

But why would an all-loving, perfect God condone the things in which he condemns, hmm?  There is, in the Christian sense, no good that comes out of child rape.  And yet they say that "everything happens for a reason" and that "God works in mysterious ways."... Please...  Show them a child pornography tape, and then let them try to reiterate that statement.  I can guarantee you that they won't, unless they're members of the Westboro Baptist Church...

Edited for content. Talk about the issue, not each other. - Mikequote>

That's where many people question. 

God doesn't condone that behavior. Child rape/pornagraphy is considered a sin. God offers you forgiveness for your sins, he always has, always will. I don't think you can apply "God works in mysterious ways" to child rape. Child rape is a sin, and thanks to Adam and Eve who disobeyed God way in Genesis, there is sin in the world. And God saw that there was sin and sent down Jesus Christ to DIE for that sin and offer forgiveness for everyone on this earth. But God does give punishment to those who sin and are not cleansed of his blood. If you want to read more in the Bible about how God lets bad things happen to his people, read the Book of Job in the Old Testament.quote>

But now my question is:  Why did God, who is supposed to be perfect in everything he does, create a system which He knew was destined for imperfection, and ultimately, failure?  He didn't have to create the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and He didn't have to create Satan.  So, why did He?  Would this not be a condoning of evil in and of itself?  If God despises everything about evil, then why did He create evil, or even the potential for evil?

[EDIT]: I apologize for the above statement about coolotter...  I was a bit out of line...

Also, not to seem pompous or anything, but I have spent half of my education in Christian schools, I know all about the book of Job.  And, it still makes no sense to me.  Why does God need to prove something to Satan?  This almost makes it seem like a bar bet, on some divine scale. quote>

 

God din not create evil......MAN did.  I feel your passion for this subject Teddy...and i more than likely agree with you.... I am a gay male, and a christian....it is very frustrating for people to comprehend.    

But I mostely agree with you buddy.

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

Originally posted by: KingTitan

Originally posted by: Psycho_Teddy

Originally posted by: Mikeaut1

Originally posted by: Psycho_Teddy

Originally posted by: coolotter88 to give pleasure to the people who perpetrate it? technically that is good...from the PoV of the rapist.

and it's spelled ad nauseumquote>

But why would an all-loving, perfect God condone the things in which he condemns, hmm?  There is, in the Christian sense, no good that comes out of child rape.  And yet they say that "everything happens for a reason" and that "God works in mysterious ways."... Please...  Show them a child pornography tape, and then let them try to reiterate that statement.  I can guarantee you that they won't, unless they're members of the Westboro Baptist Church...

Edited for content. Talk about the issue, not each other. - Mikequote>

That's where many people question. 

God doesn't condone that behavior. Child rape/pornagraphy is considered a sin. God offers you forgiveness for your sins, he always has, always will. I don't think you can apply "God works in mysterious ways" to child rape. Child rape is a sin, and thanks to Adam and Eve who disobeyed God way in Genesis, there is sin in the world. And God saw that there was sin and sent down Jesus Christ to DIE for that sin and offer forgiveness for everyone on this earth. But God does give punishment to those who sin and are not cleansed of his blood. If you want to read more in the Bible about how God lets bad things happen to his people, read the Book of Job in the Old Testament.quote>

But now my question is:  Why did God, who is supposed to be perfect in everything he does, create a system which He knew was destined for imperfection, and ultimately, failure?  He didn't have to create the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and He didn't have to create Satan.  So, why did He?  Would this not be a condoning of evil in and of itself?  If God despises everything about evil, then why did He create evil, or even the potential for evil?

[EDIT]: I apologize for the above statement about coolotter...  I was a bit out of line...

Also, not to seem pompous or anything, but I have spent half of my education in Christian schools, I know all about the book of Job.  And, it still makes no sense to me.  Why does God need to prove something to Satan?  This almost makes it seem like a bar bet, on some divine scale. quote>

 

God din not create evil......MAN did.  I feel your passion for this subject Teddy...and i more than likely agree with you.... I am a gay male, and a christian....it is very frustrating for people to comprehend.    

But I mostely agree with you buddy. quote>

Well, my view of it is, if God is perfect, then everything He creates must be perfect, right?  Well then, why is His creation far from perfect?  A perfect creation would not have even the capacity to fail, let alone the certainty to fail. 

Man did not create evil, man's sinful nature is a mere product of Satan's temptation of man in the Garden of Eden taking effect and corrupting man's innocence, therefore making man sinful. He did create evil when He created Satan, that is undeniable.

It is this logic that has lead me to denounce the Christian religion and convert to Atheism.  The facts just don't add up, and I've experienced six years of Christian schoo

[saltandsauce 0]

actually satan was an angel who thought he deserved more and ended up in hell since he wanted people to worship him instead it is Lucifer who created evil

man is supposed to have bitten the apple of knowledge (hint hint) and thus made them aware of sin and thus able to commit it

that is the bibles logic on that course which is man has been corrupted by knowledge

atheism is not really a religion since it is the belief that there is no god

agnostic is your drowned in apathy

i don't care i personally think this is hell

[KingTitan 6]

Originally posted by: saltandsauce actually satan was an angel who thought he deserved more and ended up in hell since he wanted people to worship him instead it is Lucifer who created evil

man is supposed to have bitten the apple of knowledge (hint hint) and thus made them aware of sin and thus able to commit it

that is the bibles logic on that course which is man has been corrupted by knowledge

atheism is not really a religion since it is the belief that there is no god

agnostic is your drowned in apathy

i don't care i personally think this is hellquote>

 

ABSOLUTELY...even though I am christian...I believe this IS hell....doesn't matter.....in 100 years...none of this matters...... think about it.

[Voar Tok 4]

Psyco_Teddy: Most of the time, the answer to your question is usually explained this way.

You start off with God, perfect, all-knowing, etc. He creates the universe, all matter, angels, and at the pinnacle of said creation is man.

Now, think about this. How much do people absolutely love having choices? We choose what we want to eat each day (which is true even in places where you only have a few options like an school cafeteria), we choose what we're going to wear, when we go to bed, get a shower, etc. How much would life suck if we didn't have any choices? How many of us had childhoods where all of our decisions were made for us for a while, and it just sucked when you wanted to do one thing and your parents chose something else for you? So God, because he loves everyone, decides to give man and the angels the power of free will.

Well, first, you get an angel who would appear to be second only to God who decides he wants to be God. He gets kicked out of heaven, and the remaining angels lose the power of free will.

Said angel, commonly known as Satan, comes to earth, tempts Adam and Eve, they take the bait, fall, and are no longer perfect. However, because man is the pinnacle of the creation, God decides to not take away man's free will. Instead he promises redemption, and leaves man with the power to choose the path for his life.

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: Psycho_Teddy

Originally posted by: Shadow_prophet

Originally posted by: panthersimcity4

Originally posted by: MayorTim

Originally posted by: panthersimcity4

Originally posted by: GingerBlokey I don't know whether anyone has noticed but ...

Relgions = One Massive Contradictionquote>

Not necessarily.

Not only have some of the worst things that have ever happened been done in (insert diety)'s name, but also some of the best things that have ever happen were done in (insert diety)'s name.

For example:

9/11 terrorists killed thousands in the name of God

Mother Teresa helped thousands of poor people in the name of Godquote>

But.. that is a contradiction.quote>

Ohhhh.... okay, THAT kind of contradiction. My bad.quote>

Not really a contradiction since you're considering 2 different people. What I see in that is different methods of interpretation of their own religious texts.quote>

Crusades - Killings in the name of the Christian God

Funeral Protests - Hate crimes in the name of the Christian God

Child Rape Convictions - Child molestation in the name of God

Mother Theresa - Healing in the name of the Christian God

Various Charities and Organizations - ditto

Salvation Army - ad nosium

that... and...

God - Is infinite, unbound by the worldly constraints of time, space, and other laws of Physics

"Husbands, love your wifes, just as Christ loved the church."

"Wifes, submit to your husbands"

Women are not to be leaders of the church body.

The heritage of Jesus recorded in each of the gospels is inconsistent with the others

God asked Abraham to kill his son, even though God knew that he was willing to.  He tested Abraham to find out his level of faith, while already knowing it.

God, who is perfect, in EVERY way, created a system with the capacity for  failure.

God, who is all loving, created a system with an abundance of sin, evil, and hatred.

God (who represents all that is good) created Satan, who would soon become the epitome of evil.  He, being omniscient, knew this ahead of time.

The all loving God allows suffering, pain, and anguish, in the imperfect system in which he created.

The "everything happens for a reason" clause, extracted from Ecclesiastes:

Why do children get raped?  What good can EVER come out of that? 

I can go on and on, but I think you get my point...quote>

I believe this isn't a thread for discussing religion, but about those weird little devils who are protesting at funerals?