I am not a yob.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: Joesocwork Saying that one wants to hit others with a bat b/c of racial/ethnic differences is pretty hateful too.quote>

He didn't want to hit people with a bat because of racial/ethnic differences; he wanted to hit ghetto kids with a bat.

And yes, they can be a problem sometimes.

(Note: This don't apply to "kids from the ghetto"; rather for a type of personalty most prevalent amongst them originating in a ghetto, but they might just as well come from the posh areas. I don't care, they're a pain nonetheless.)

[Joesocwork 4]

So that means "ghetto kids" aren't people? And they aren't different racially/ethicnally (sp?) than the author? And that it is okay to want to hit them?

Originally posted by: krbe (Note: This don't apply to "kids from the ghetto"; rather for a type of personalty most prevalent amongst them originating in a ghetto, but they might just as well come from the posh areas. I don't care, they're a pain nonetheless.)quote>

 

So that means we now need a "I am not a ghetto kid" thread?   Stereotypes are stereotypes. Predjudice is predjudice.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: Joesocwork So that means "ghetto kids" aren't people? And they aren't different racially/ethicnally (sp?) than the author? And that it is okay to want to hit them?quote>

No, no, not necessarily, no.

Being a "ghetto kid" isn't a race; thus being opposed to them cannot be labeled racist. I noticed Duke mentioning "black" as the typical "ghetto kid"; that would be in the US, in other parts of the world it would/could be something else.

Originally posted by: krbe (Note: This don't apply to "kids from the ghetto"; rather for a type of personalty most prevalent amongst them originating in a ghetto, but they might just as well come from the posh areas. I don't care, they're a pain nonetheless.)quote>

 

So that means we now need a "I am not a ghetto kid" thread?   Stereotypes are stereotypes. Predjudice is predjudice.quote>

[rugar12 0]

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: Joesocwork So that means "ghetto kids" aren't people? And they aren't different racially/ethicnally (sp?) than the author? And that it is okay to want to hit them?quote>

No, no, not necessarily, no.

Being a "ghetto kid" isn't a race; thus being opposed to them cannot be labeled racist. I noticed Duke mentioning "black" as the typical "ghetto kid"; that would be in the US, in other parts of the world it would/could be something else. quote>

I agree that it's not a racist thing.  But what I think Joesocwork is getting at is that the original poster was stating he wanted to react violently to people based on a stereotype.  I, personally, find it illogical to have such a strong opinion about people you essentially know nothing about  (Just in case there is a misunderstanding, I mean "you" in the general sense).

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: rugar12 I agree that it's not a racist thing.  But what I think Joesocwork is getting at is that the original poster was stating he wanted to react violently to people based on a stereotype.  I, personally, find it illogical to have such a strong opinion about people you essentially know nothing about  (Just in case there is a misunderstanding, I mean "you" in the general sense).quote>

While posing to react violently is bad, it's still better than some of the comments in Times Square Bomb thread.

But I don't dislike people I know "essentially nothing about"; rather those who I know a little bit of how they behave towards strangers.

[rugar12 0]

Originally posted by: krbe

While posing to react violently is bad, it's still better than some of the comments in Times Square Bomb thread.

But I don't dislike people I know "essentially nothing about"; rather those who I know a little bit of how they behave towards strangers.quote>

That maybe so, but it's also a red herring.

I would believe it perfectly natural to dislike people based on their behavior.  But such a dislike isn't as strong and extreme as stating you would like to cause physical harm to them.

[The Boy 0]

Wow you guys are wayyyyyyy overly politcally correct, at least with my post. I hate the ghetto kids in my area, all they do is curse, think they a blood or crip, do minor graffiti on bus stops/buses, drive around in their cars with these overly sized wheels, and they've got the base in the back of their car turned up really loud, all you hear is THUD, THUD THUD THUD, thats it. They're all stereo type ghetto people, I'm not just talking about blacks, like you politically correct people think I am, because the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ghetto or ghetto people is blacks. I'm talking about anyone who has a car that goes thud thud thud thud thud, anyone who wears clothes that are spray painted with gang pictures or signs, that stuff. Geese, you guys really need to calm it down. Oh and for the bat thing, lighten the hell up, I'm not gonna go around actually hitting people with a bat, if it were legal I might, but that wouldn't really do me any good now would it? Oh how the heck did you get to the point where I want to hit people who are a certain ethnic/race? Give me a break!

[rugar12 0]

Originally posted by: The Boy Wow you guys are wayyyyyyy overly politcally correct, at least with my post. I hate the ghetto kids in my area, all they do is curse, think they a blood or crip, do minor graffiti on bus stops/buses, drive around in their cars with these overly sized wheels, and they've got the base in the back of their car turned up really loud, all you hear is THUD, THUD THUD THUD, thats it. They're all stereo type ghetto people, I'm not just talking about blacks, like you politically correct people think I am, because the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ghetto or ghetto people is blacks. I'm talking about anyone who has a car that goes thud thud thud thud thud, anyone who wears clothes that are spray painted with gang pictures or signs, that stuff. Geese, you guys really need to calm it down. Oh and for the bat thing, lighten the hell up, I'm not gonna go around actually hitting people with a bat, if it were legal I might, but that wouldn't really do me any good now would it? Oh how the heck did you get to the point where I want to hit people who are a certain ethnic/race? Give me a break!quote>

I never get why people hate other people based mainly on trivial issues.  I find that most people are decent people, no matter what stereotype they may fall into.  But that may just be me, I don't form opinions on people until I get to know them.

And the bat thing... I knew you probably weren't serious about it, but it doesn't reflect positively on you.

[jugioh1012 2]

Originally posted by: nazaguy Im something weird at my school. I've had about 2 girlfriends (im in year 11, and the only guy who's had less is my friend), i don't drink, smoke , have sex, fight for fun, or ask the kid with the longish hair whens the last time hes had a haircut. Maybe cos thats me but, at least im not emo.quote>

Thank you for not asking the kids with long hair the last time they had a haircut.(I have long hair and people ask me that question all the time....and then keep looking at the hair.)This is a great thread BTW.I agree with everything you said.

[The Boy 0]

Originally posted by: rugar12

Originally posted by: The Boy Wow you guys are wayyyyyyy overly politcally correct, at least with my post. I hate the ghetto kids in my area, all they do is curse, think they a blood or crip, do minor graffiti on bus stops/buses, drive around in their cars with these overly sized wheels, and they've got the base in the back of their car turned up really loud, all you hear is THUD, THUD THUD THUD, thats it. They're all stereo type ghetto people, I'm not just talking about blacks, like you politically correct people think I am, because the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ghetto or ghetto people is blacks. I'm talking about anyone who has a car that goes thud thud thud thud thud, anyone who wears clothes that are spray painted with gang pictures or signs, that stuff. Geese, you guys really need to calm it down. Oh and for the bat thing, lighten the hell up, I'm not gonna go around actually hitting people with a bat, if it were legal I might, but that wouldn't really do me any good now would it? Oh how the heck did you get to the point where I want to hit people who are a certain ethnic/race? Give me a break!quote>

I never get why people hate other people based mainly on trivial issues.  I find that most people are decent people, no matter what stereotype they may fall into.  But that may just be me, I don't form opinions on people until I get to know them.

And the bat thing... I knew you probably weren't serious about it, but it doesn't reflect positively on you.quote>

Okay, well I'll try to be nicer to the people who race, do burn outs at the stop sign in front of my house, and constantly drive up and down the street and all I hear is THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD not to mention, windows shake in my house, yeah. I'm not gonna be nice to them, I don't care if their black/white whatever. The opinion I form is, oh another stereotype idiot, who drives up and down my street (I know I don't own it) with their boom box, and drives really fast when we've got kids from ages 4 to 15 or so that play in the street... they wake me up too. I'm not being nice to them, I don't care if you guys are quick to judge me with the bat thing, then thats pretty hypocritical ok? The people that are the ghetto stereotypes near me, aren't decent people (not to say there could be 1 or 2 decent ones) but it could be different in other areas, I know that.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: The Boy Wow you guys are wayyyyyyy overly politcally correct, at least with my post. I hate the ghetto kids in my area, all they do is curse, think they a blood or crip, do minor graffiti on bus stops/buses, drive around in their cars with these overly sized wheels, and they've got the base in the back of their car turned up really loud, all you hear is THUD, THUD THUD THUD, thats it. They're all stereo type ghetto people, I'm not just talking about blacks, like you politically correct people think I am, because the first thing that comes to your mind when I say ghetto or ghetto people is blacks. I'm talking about anyone who has a car that goes thud thud thud thud thud, anyone who wears clothes that are spray painted with gang pictures or signs, that stuff. Geese, you guys really need to calm it down. Oh and for the bat thing, lighten the hell up, I'm not gonna go around actually hitting people with a bat, if it were legal I might, but that wouldn't really do me any good now would it? Oh how the heck did you get to the point where I want to hit people who are a certain ethnic/race? Give me a break!quote>

We were saying that this wasn't a race issue.

And if you want to hit them with a bat, I'd like to gas the jews.

[rugar12 0]

Originally posted by: jugioh1012

Thank you for not asking the kids with long hair the last time they had a haircut.(I have long hair and people ask me that question all the time....and then keep looking at the hair.)This is a great thread BTW.I agree with everything you said.quote>

Haha, no one ever bothered me about my long hair (back when I had long hair), but everyone always said something when I got a haircut, though it was always in good humor.

[Meg 368]

Let's not talk about hitting / gassing / blowing up anyone.

Not cool, guys.

[nazaguy 0]

Well, today I went out, was stopped by the police twice. The only thing worse then being a ethnic minority is being young. Or being a young ethnic minority. Uh crap, thats me.

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: nazaguy Well, today I went out, was stopped by the police twice. The only thing worse then being a ethnic minority is being young. Or being a young ethnic minority. Uh crap, thats me.quote>

What were you stopped for?

Just recently I heard here in Arizona some police stopped a Latino guy because they though he was an illegal immigrant... but he was a legal citizen! He filed a lawsuit.

Also there were those two middle-eastern teens at the Seattle Ferry who were arrested for "taking pictures"

About ghetto kids... by saying "ghetto" you mean they're from an "ethnic" neighborhood, right? That's pretty much what the definition of ghetto is... like Black ghettos in Los Angeles or the Jewish ghettos in Eastern Europe during WWII.

[The Boy 0]

Originally posted by: panthersimcity4

Originally posted by: nazaguy Well, today I went out, was stopped by the police twice. The only thing worse then being a ethnic minority is being young. Or being a young ethnic minority. Uh crap, thats me.quote>

What were you stopped for?

Just recently I heard here in Arizona some police stopped a Latino guy because they though he was an illegal immigrant... but he was a legal citizen! He filed a lawsuit.

Also there were those two middle-eastern teens at the Seattle Ferry who were arrested for "taking pictures"

About ghetto kids... by saying "ghetto" you mean they're from an "ethnic" neighborhood, right? That's pretty much what the definition of ghetto is... like Black ghettos in Los Angeles or the Jewish ghettos in Eastern Europe during WWII.

quote>

NO I DON'T. Please, everytime you single the word blacks out of ghetto, you make me sound like I'm a complete racist person, with only hate towards blacks. This not true, I respect  them, just as much as white people. I have no problem with the ones who casually go around minding their own buisness, and don't drive all around with their boombox in the back at 1 AM waking me up. Thats who I'm mad at and who I'm talking about.. white people do it too.

[saltandsauce 0]

cough this is about AGE not RACE

and ghetto is not synonemous with ethnic "minorities" the "ghettos" here are called schemes and they are inhabited by the chronically unemployed and junkies but here is the punch line most of them are WHITE

in britain if you immigrate here then you will be upwardly mobile in the class system

if you were born here you are only downwardly mobile i know this first hand since a lot of youngish adults have parents who are relativley rich but they themselves are skint and have really lousy jobs if you are born in the gorbals you will die in the gorbals at 56 after being stabbed or a heart attack

[panthersimcity4 162]

Originally posted by: saltandsauce

and ghetto is not synonemous with ethnic "minorities" the "ghettos" here are called schemes and they are inhabited by the chronically unemployed and junkies but here is the punch line most of them are WHITE quote>

Well, according to Dictionary.com:

ghetto: a section of a city, esp. a thickly populated slum area, inhabited predominantly by members of an ethnic or other minority group, often as a result of social or economic restrictions, pressures, or hardships.quote>

[autoVino 26]

Originally posted by: saltandsauce cough this is about AGE not RACE

and ghetto is not synonemous with ethnic "minorities" the "ghettos" here are called schemes and they are inhabited by the chronically unemployed and junkies but here is the punch line most of them are WHITE

in britain if you immigrate here then you will be upwardly mobile in the class system

if you were born here you are only downwardly mobile i know this first hand since a lot of youngish adults have parents who are relativley rich but they themselves are skint and have really lousy jobs if you are born in the gorbals you will die in the gorbals at 56 after being stabbed or a heart attackquote>

 

And why do you think this happends?  That there are areas of unemployed, etc?  It is because people who do have jobs have the notion that giving money and food to these people will solve all problems... giving them away for free.  To give support in such a way will solve no problem, opnly make them worse.  In order to correctly solve the problem of unemployment you must give employment, not food and money and other such commodities.  Employment will give such commodities as a result.

As I've said before, stereotypes come from the most visible parts of a population... that is the sterotype for teenagers comes form the worst of the teenagers because they are the ones that stand out.  The stereotype for "All Asians are smart" comes from the most succesfull and hardest working individuals from the population.  The stereotype that "Russinas are communists" comes form the extremist ideoligies of the cold war era from taht population...

Stereotypes tend to settle around the worst of the worst , best of the best, or the most extreme of the extreme... only because this is what makes them interesting for other people... this often competely ignoring the majority.

[Joesocwork 4]

^ I think complicating things is that fact that adolescence still is a period of maturation.  

To repeat myself fr an earlier thread, biologically, adolescense is a time of behavioral vulnerability due to hormonal changes and biological changes in the brain.  It is the time of life where the brain and differing portions of the brain wiring change dramatically, often inconsistently and sometimes out of sync with the rest of body growth and with slower growing portions of the brain. Even though people will commit undesirable acts pretty much any time in adulthood, the time of youth is the period where people are more susceptible to engaging in riskier behaviors.  This is also often the time of life that if there is an organic mental illness it will more likely show up here. Again, this is really the time of life where we as human being struggle to get it together against a lot of odds.  Adolescence is where one learns self-control.  I admire youth who set goals and succeed early in the life. I also admire youth who succeed despite heavy problems that they have no control over such as child abuse or Asperger’s.  Socially it is also the stage where people develop their self-identity, ironically, through comparisons & trying to fit in with peers.   And it's all normal.   And practically all youth I know and work with> do succeed. Somehow the majority of human being make it through the chaos as the brain and body reshapes itself and we prepare for our roles and self perception into the larger adult world.

But.... if others aren't aware of what adolescents go through as a part of growing, then certain behaviors by some of the age group are going to be taken out of context and generalized to all as a whole.  I think part of growing up is appreciating how we come across to others, including what is real and what is illusion, respecting our own boundaries and appreciating how we perceive others, including what is potentially real and potentially an illusion or a stereotype.>