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Why is so much quality lost after exporting with BAT4MAX?

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I seem to recall that FSH files, the textures applied to the S3D models of our exported BATs, have their own lossy compression.  I don't recall that anyone has found a direct means to control or block this FSH compression, and so it may be a limit to BAT image quality.  Naturally, compression induced color changes, blurriness, and artifacts will be most noticeable on HD renders.

Sadly, SimCity has long been notoriously anti-WYSIWYG...even SCURK's 256 indexed colors had wonky palettes with chunks of swatches reserved and reshuffled.

 

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FSH by default are DXT1 (1 bit alpha) or DXT3 (4 bit alpha) and are lossy formats with quite high compression. Furthermore one can only really expect 5,6,5 RGB bits after decompression. The only mitigations available are working in 4x4 pixel blocks, and using 4 key colours per block as all 16 pixel colours are reduced to 4 per block then reconstructed/interpolated on decompression. In general avoid high contrast/saturation to improve things - makes the interpolation less obvious. 

This format was "high tech" in 2003 in the early days of DirectX when memory and GPU resources were at a premium - that SC4 (and other games of the era) has done so well over so long is a testament to how well it works.

Of course today's 4k television and 64bit colour technology makes this look truly archaic - but it's still surprisingly usable and doesn't require oodles of storage and memory for small objects in game.    

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