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Well, I really dont understand this. He was charged with 900+... right? and he is a media person, considering that his case was followed by most of the people in America, and it represents something extremely sensitive for women. Now, to be honest, Im really pissed at something like this. Think about it, if a person raped your daughter, and kidnapped her for 10 years, would you settle for something like this? I dont think prisons work nowadays as they are supposed to. We are the ones paying the jails and prisons budgets, and to be honest, it is a concept that really annoys me.

 

By reading this, there are 2 key points that really got into me:

 

1) If someone of this relevance is sent to prison, they should make sure, he gets what he deserves. And I dont mean that he should be tortured or anything, but he should be put to work and forced into certain punishments for what he did. He should be paying a rent, his meals, and clothes. Why should we pay to maintain people like him in jails?

 

2) How is it possible that he hung himself in a prison? who gave him the stuff in order for him to commit suicide? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that an inmate as unpopular as he was, had enough time to prepare everything and kill himself, and no one knew about it?

 

To be honest, its not a pleasent outcome for society, in the end, we are the ones that lost again. They were kidnapped, they were raped, one of them has a child, and what do we get? He hung himself, done... oh well... end of problems for him..

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Seeing as I thought that a person like him deserves the Death Penalty, I think that suicide is fitting for him. If suicide in prisons was legal, then costs would go down significantly without most ethical issues involved with the Death Penalty.

 

 

--Ocram

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Anyone else not sure how to react?

 

Count me in that group.   I have several conflicting feelings / thoughts / beliefs about it.

 

On one hand, I wish he had lasted at least 10 years, just to get a taste of his own medicine.   But, as a society, we do not inflict upon criminals the same damage they inflicted upon others.  (What is the saying?  An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind?)

 

If I personally had the choice of being given the death penalty or life in prison, I'll go for the lethal injection.  imho, it's more humane.

 

What is a society supposed to do with someone like him?   Rehabilitate him?  I doubt it is possible and, if it was, how would he live with himself once he understood what he had done?    Maybe that is what happened.  Maybe he finally "got it" and couldn't live with it.

 

I do give him credit for pleading guilty and sparing the women the ordeal of testifying.  They didn't need to go through all of that again in court.  Am I giving him too much credit by thinking that maybe he finally realized what it was like being locked up and might have experienced some remorse?

 

It is, no doubt, cheaper this way.  No need to feed him or deal with legal appeals.   But, being happy about that implies a rather harsh judgment:  this human being is not worth feeding.   But, if that is true about anyone, it's true about him.   and there is no way he should have been let loose into society again.

 

 

 Either way we wouldn't have to hear about him again

 

There is a line from an X-Files episode: "I say we don't let him take up another minute of our time".

 

Again, I have two thoughts:  1) Good idea!  2)  But what should we do with the next one that comes along?  Isn't it worth learning some lessons from this case?

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Count me in the confused camp too. This is why I didn't post yesterday. I weighed up 'reanimate him and torture him for eternity' with 'freeing up prison cell space for greater efficiency'... I ended up deciding to await others opinions before making one.

 

I think I'll just be straightforward and logical as usual and try not to appeal to any hardcore group. What happened is a man who did very very very bad things has ceased to exist. So from that perspective this is good. He will go unpunished for his crimes. Punishment is a difficult area because while it does serve a function as a deterrent it is usually abused and we do all end up rather blind with that old method.

 

A prison cell is now free. Efficiency in the justice system is very important. I'd say being forced to live with somebody even without of a prison is inhumane. Families are archaic systems for instance. Necessary but highly flawed structures.

 

The thing with justice is we all want something from it. But what is its essential purpose? Is it rehabilitation? But how can you just ignore what he did? Is it punishment? But isn't that whole area somewhat backwards? After all if these people truly are mentally ill or whatever... 

 

I being a logical person alas am not emotional enough (although I can see the patterns of opinion well) to go gung ho in any one direction. I think what happened was good because the logical thing to do with a problem is to destroy it. You rip up weeds. You don't torture them and beat them and try to turn them into carrots or corn plants. You put them in the compost and let them rot into manure. 

 

So I would conclude that while many will be annoyed by this, and I can't blame them for that, as what he did is about as bad a crime as one can commit against a person/people, I think the result is for the best. If a weed arises it should be pulled. I don't think spending half the day admonishing your compost heap achieves much.

 

As for punishment as a deterrent... The fact people do still commit crimes like this is indicative imho that they shall carry on doing this. People faced far worse punishments in the past and still did what they thought was right/felt like doing. The only proper solution is a greater observation of what people are doing, electrically, and an automatic computer based system for dealing with errors like him.

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Well, I really dont understand this. He was charged with 900+... right? and he is a media person, considering that his case was followed by most of the people in America, and it represents something extremely sensitive for women. Now, to be honest, Im really pissed at something like this. Think about it, if a person raped your daughter, and kidnapped her for 10 years, would you settle for something like this? I dont think prisons work nowadays as they are supposed to. We are the ones paying the jails and prisons budgets, and to be honest, it is a concept that really annoys me.

 

By reading this, there are 2 key points that really got into me:

 

1) If someone of this relevance is sent to prison, they should make sure, he gets what he deserves. And I dont mean that he should be tortured or anything, but he should be put to work and forced into certain punishments for what he did. He should be paying a rent, his meals, and clothes. Why should we pay to maintain people like him in jails?

 

2) How is it possible that he hung himself in a prison? who gave him the stuff in order for him to commit suicide? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that an inmate as unpopular as he was, had enough time to prepare everything and kill himself, and no one knew about it?

 

To be honest, its not a pleasent outcome for society, in the end, we are the ones that lost again. They were kidnapped, they were raped, one of them has a child, and what do we get? He hung himself, done... oh well... end of problems for him..

1) You are suggesting unequal treatment in front of the law, meaning that two people who did exactly the same thing could be treated differently solely based on the media spectacle (or lack thereof) they generate. Besides, let prisoners pay rent? How? He doesn't have an income and what are you going to do when he simply refuses to pay? Kick him out of jail? And why should you pay for jail? Because jail is a public service, it keeps dangerous people separated from society, as well as punishing these people for what they did to society. 

 

2) He killed himself using his bedsheets. And since he wasn't on suicide watch, they didn't put him in solitary confinement where everything is made in such a way that you can't commit suicide. That was a mistake of the authorities though, since they did find a suicide note when they arrested him. He should have been placed on suicide watch from the start. 

 

 

Seeing as I thought that a person like him deserves the Death Penalty, I think that suicide is fitting for him. If suicide in prisons was legal, then costs would go down significantly without most ethical issues involved with the Death Penalty.

You realize that the fact that suicide is illegal doesn't stop anyone right? Besides, suicide is rife in US prisons. But you are right, costs would go down. 

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He was sentenced to Life + 1,000 years. Rehabilitation was as much in his future as freedom was.

 

He took the coward's way out, which makes perfect sense considering the type of predator he was, and from the reports I've read he hung himself with his bed sheet. I guess that was one of the things a 'humane' society couldn't/wouldn't deprive him of. Too bad - he certainly didn't treat his captives with such generosity.

 

As for my feelings about this sadistic p.o.s. - I think the punishment should fit the crime. Lock him away in a basement for 10 years, chained up & beaten and at the end of those 10 years he could begin serving the rest of his life+1k sentence. One less piece of human scum removed from the planet and I'm all well & good with that.

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... If suicide in prisons was legal, then costs would go down significantly without most ethical issues involved with the Death Penalty.

 

 

--Ocram

 

How do you make suicide illegal? Some countries like Ireland made suicide illegal and it led to stupid punishments (usually on the dead person's family) and false stories from the coroner (to spare the dead person' s family from punishment). How do you punish the dead? 

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Actually, he saved the state a couple of million dollars in upkeep.  This might be a mitigation with any judgement after life, but in fact there is no doubt that this person was highly disturbed.

 

Suicide is not illegal in most jurisdictions, but attempted suicide or counselling suicide is.

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I believe it was about control.  He was a control freak.   and this was the last bit of control he had left.   He saw a way to choose how long he would be in prison and he took it.

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However the rather savage desire to punish seems somewhat archaic. 

 

That would be nice.  Unfortunately there is a lot of evidence that human beings are not really civilized; we just have a lot of socially imposed structures to help us pretend to be.

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However the rather savage desire to punish seems somewhat archaic. 

 

That would be nice.  Unfortunately there is a lot of evidence that human beings are not really civilized; we just have a lot of socially imposed structures to help us pretend to be.

 

Then perhaps we had best stop being actors and live up to these structures ideals. I hardly think savagery and animosity should be encouraged purely because of its prevalence and precedence.

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Then perhaps we had best stop being actors and live up to these structures ideals. I hardly think savagery and animosity should be encouraged purely because of its prevalence and precedence.

 

 

I agree it should not be encouraged.  I also believe that we should not stick our heads in the sand and pretend that it doesn't exist.   

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I think that many forms of suicide should be legal. Punishing people for killing themselves or helping terminally ill patients who cannot do it themselves is in my mind very bad. Grief counseling for younger people who have possibly bright futures is still good but making suicide illegal just seems illogical and I think the only reason it is illegal is because of the ghost of Victorian society.

 

As for the death of that Monster, I am quite frankly glad he is dead.

 

--Ocram

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... If suicide in prisons was legal, then costs would go down significantly without most ethical issues involved with the Death Penalty.

--Ocram

How do you make suicide illegal? Some countries like Ireland made suicide illegal and it led to stupid punishments (usually on the dead person's family) and false stories from the coroner (to spare the dead person' s family from punishment). How do you punish the dead?

In many US states, suicide is illegal, not because anyone wrote a law to make it illegal, but because the existing murder laws are broad enough to cover self-inflicted homicide. In most cases, it is considered as one of those few cases where the law produces an absurd result and it is ignored.

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe suicide is illegal in Great Britain simply because it is illegal to kill a British subject.

 

Kinda like how kids who use their phones to send naked pictures of themselves are guilty of distributing child pornography.

 

They are victims of their own crimes but the act is still a crime.

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