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Politicizing a tragedy

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  • Originally posted by: Barbarossa

    Originally posted by: svachon

    Can we agree that it's wrong for media, democrats and left leaning pundits to try and politicize the Arizona tragedy.quote>

    What, only Republicans can do it? 

    Barbarossa

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    Wrong is wrong and I don't think you justify wrong behavior by pointing to other wrong behavior.

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    Democrabs, Repugnicans, or the media, who cares?  It is a great wrong, and horning in on the private grief of a family is a social sin of the first kind.  My they all get to swim in the middle tail race of Dis.

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    If Democrats can't politicize on this, then Republicans can't politicize on 9/11... oh wait, they did and now we're in two unsustainable wars. Right, so only Democrats shouldn't be able to politicize on tragedy?

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    Your statement as taken literally is absolutely correct, however the implication is foul. Using the fact that the left is spouting rhetoric in response to the shooting as an excuse to take an obvious cheap shot at them is playing the same game and isn't much better. You just have two degrees of separation instead of one.

    It is wrong to politicize the tragedy, but it is also wrong to politicize the politicization of the tragedy.

    (of course, now we are guilty of politicizing the politicization of the politicization of the tragedy 3.gif)

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    I'm sorry, but didn't someone just attempt to assassinate a U.S. Congress member? I believe that is quite a political act right there, and to to pretend otherwise is only to raise question as to why you'd have a guilty conscience over this.

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    The only problem is that the shooter was a 22 year old mentally insane person with both extreme right and extreme left philosophies. He literally defies any political classification, so it's hard to see what exactly what he was attacking.

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    have they ascertained the motive? if yes the politicizing is either justified or not, if a motive is never discovered, then it will always be politically polarising due to speculation, this is bad as it may encourage other "less crazy" people to act in similar ways.

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    Blaming the media for encouraging psychos to be violent is ridiculous. Incidents like this have been occurring since long before mass media existed. John Wilkes Booth wasn't watching any cable news or listening to any talk radio.

    People do not exist in a vacuum outside of "the media". Influence can just as easily be drawn from talking to your friends and family, reading books (this guy seemed to have a few of those, maybe we should blame Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler for egging him on?), and so forth. It is entirely possible that Sarah Palin's targets or some other such nonsense may have somehow "inspired" this guy, but if whatever it was wasn't said, something else could have just easily done the trick. For all their ranting and raving, pundits do not mean to cause harm and just because some random comment of theirs may have set someone off doesn't mean it's their fault. The blame for any shooting incident lies squarely on the the shoulders of one person: the man pulling the trigger.

    Besides, even completely innocuous things can set a lunatic off. This includes not only civilized legitimate criticism but also things seemingly unrelated. For all we know he really didn't like the way Mrs. Gifford wore her hair.

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  • Originally posted by: Barbarossa

    I can easily say that I knew nothing about this event until Monday, which worked out since most of the idiotic suppositions had been disposed of, after many retractions. I feel extremely sorry for the families impacted by this event. No one should have to lose a loved one because a nut went ballistic. I also feel sorry for the family of the assailant, and I even feel sorry for the assailant, since he was clearly not in control of his mind. Families have lost loved ones, a family will lose their child, and a mentally-childish man will live the rest of his life in an institution or prison.

    I don't really know if this guy was so unstable as to be left or right in the political spectrum. I get the impression he may not have known, as well. However, having a list of districts related to healthcare and his selections of targets (confirmed he was after Gifford)... well, that is something to consider.

    Regardless, it doesn't really matter. The facts are that a mentally deranged individual bought a Glock 9mm and attempted to assassinate a member of Congress because he did not like them for an (as yet) undocumented reason. I don't care what his political affiliation is, just like I don't care what color of socks he wore. In the long run, it is irrelevant - unless it turns out he did it because of political pressure.

    I think this should be a wake-up call to the media. They will be the ultimate ones responsible for this type of violence. The likes of Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, those "Fox and Friends" morons and their ilk should not have the airtime that they have, especially when they act as "Passive-Aggressives with an Agenda". The first two, in particular, always cower behind Free Speech and rant about the made-up socialist takeover. They live off of fear (its all a ratings game to them, even among themselves). They are about as worthwhile to America as McCarthy was.

    Barbarossaquote>

    So can I assume that rap artists are responsible when sing about killing cops and of course we can find cases where youth have killed cops that listen to this music?   Are movies that depict violence, also responsible for violence?   

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  • The topic of this post is the politicization of a tragedy.  The Dems, minutes after the tragedy, while the victums were fighting for their lives, decided to politicize the event with absolutely no evidence and of course an allogation has no merit.    No merit in that this man had no political affiliate and was not influence by right-wing radio.   All to score political points..... shameful, absolutley shameful.

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    Originally posted by: svachon

    Can we agree that it's wrong for media, democrats politicians, and left leaning pundits to try and politicize the Arizona tragedy.quote>

    I can agree with this revision - both the left and the right are guilty of politicising tragedies. Everyone happy now?

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    Originally posted by: astronelson

    Originally posted by: svachon

    Can we agree that it's wrong for media, democrats politicians, and left leaning pundits to try and politicize the Arizona tragedy.quote>

    I can agree with this revision - both the left and the right are guilty of politicising tragedies. Everyone happy now?quote>

    Astro said it best. I'm going to close this thread because it is somewhat redundant, and has a clearly negative tone when compared with the other thread here. We can all civilly continue this conversation over there.

     

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